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Old 02-15-2015, 03:59 PM   #1
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2014 5.0 Tune HELP!!

okay guys new to the forum, I have a 2014 5.0 6speed. I have some bolt ons, including a twin 67mm throttle body. I took it to be dyno tuned when parts were installed and he told me it was hard for him to tune the throttle body cause they didn't have any perdictions tables (or something like that) for it and that it surges when under light or normal acceleration. well he was right, it does. also, it will die and when I go to put it in netural from just cruising sometimes. like when im pulling up to a red light for example. now when im at WOT and shift gears it falls on its face and takes my power away and slowly gives it back to me. under WOT my air/fuel ratio reads 11.0 - 11.4 , how bad is that reading? should I try to get him to fix it or find a different tuner? who offers the best tunes for these cars? I thought about bama, and read good reviews on them but a couple people told me not to use them, so im so lost and don't know what to do :/
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Was the stock throttle body broken?
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I'd put the stock TB back on. Imo even tuned it's not doing you any good. Especially right now.


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stock throttle body wont bolt on to my intake manifold
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What intake manifold?
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The cobra jet one
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Okay. Then you will need to contact someone that has experience with that intake. Lund and AED are two viable options.
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I've heard of Lund before, I will check into that, but what/who is AED?
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AED is a very well known shop in California with a very good tuner named Shaun. You will have to data log with AED though unless you want to do a remote tune.
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Evolution performance and kurgan motorsports are also good shops and very helpful
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okay guys new to the forum, I have a 2014 5.0 6speed. I have some bolt ons, including a twin 67mm throttle body. I took it to be dyno tuned when parts were installed and he told me it was hard for him to tune the throttle body cause they didn't have any perdictions tables (or something like that) for it and that it surges when under light or normal acceleration. well he was right, it does. also, it will die and when I go to put it in netural from just cruising sometimes. like when im pulling up to a red light for example. now when im at WOT and shift gears it falls on its face and takes my power away and slowly gives it back to me. under WOT my air/fuel ratio reads 11.0 - 11.4 , how bad is that reading? should I try to get him to fix it or find a different tuner? who offers the best tunes for these cars? I thought about bama, and read good reviews on them but a couple people told me not to use them, so im so lost and don't know what to do :/
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Welcome to Mevo. Sorry to hear about the trouble you had getting your GT dialed in but Bama will definitely be able to get you where you need to be. They can absolutely tune for the Cobra Jet intake manifold and your throttle body. Take a look at Stage 2 of Justin's Build where you can see what they were able to accomplish. Just to add he went with a Frod Racing Super Cobra Jet Throttle Body which has been known to be even more difficult to calibrate:



Bama just unleashed their V2 Tunes on the market as well and I know that they would be able to get you set up in no time.




I'm really confident that Bama's new Lead Calibrator Paul can get you in good shape - I can personally make sure that he works with you directly to datalog as well as show you just how accurate their mail-order calibrations are for your exact setup. The idle quality and throttle response are exactly where they need to be and there's no fluctuation, uncertainty.

Bama writes their files from the ground up - These are not canned tunes! They're taking your PCM code, the modifications on your build and create a tune just for you and they're definitely not canned.

On Friday I personally drove one of my co-workers GT's right onto Bama's dyno, swapped out his factroy box for a C&L and then watched Bama's Lead Calibrator load one of their email tunes and they made over 30hp in a heartbeat. They make safe, reliable, clean, and noticeable power. Aside from being able to pick out cars here their extensive fleet is always being used be it at the track or hitting the back roads around our headquarters.

He's going to have a blog article up soon and we're going to get video of his car either this week or next week as well!

These guys know how to make power and if you'd like to put in touch with a Bama Tuning Specialist I'm happy to have them contact you directly, just let me know and I'll make that happen!

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Can I just ask why there is such a disparity in what one person says about one tune company vs another? Seems like so many people bash on BAMA but then a company like AM stands behind them. I have no tune, never had a tune on any car I've ever owned. Honestly my head spins when I think about it because I hear so many conflicting stories. So I just don't pull the trigger on anything. This is what makes me just want a trackey from FRPP and call it a day. Will someone with am ACTUAL negative experience tell me what makes BAMA bad?


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Can I just ask why there is such a disparity in what one person says about one tune company vs another? Seems like so many people bash on BAMA but then a company like AM stands behind them. I have no tune, never had a tune on any car I've ever owned. Honestly my head spins when I think about it because I hear so many conflicting stories. So I just don't pull the trigger on anything. This is what makes me just want a trackey from FRPP and call it a day. Will someone with am ACTUAL negative experience tell me what makes BAMA bad?


Just enjoying my 420 HP daily driver
I haven't heard any updated complaints. Meaning all I hear about is I read about a buddy who had a cousin who had a bad tune from them three years ago!

Lol my tune has never given me problems. Biggest difficulty was getting my computer to recognize the stupid device lol

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I have no desire to get a tune on my car. Even though many people have no problems with a tune, some do and I do not want to deal with tuning issues or the possibility of voiding my warranty. This car makes plenty of power for me in stock form.

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I have no desire to get a tune on my car. Even though many people have no problems with a tune, some do and I do not want to deal with tuning issues or the possibility of voiding my warranty. This car makes plenty of power for me in stock form.

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Oh, that will change. I was the same way. Now I have a build list for the engine that will be going on as soon as warranty is done.
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Can I just ask why there is such a disparity in what one person says about one tune company vs another? Seems like so many people bash on BAMA but then a company like AM stands behind them. I have no tune, never had a tune on any car I've ever owned. Honestly my head spins when I think about it because I hear so many conflicting stories. So I just don't pull the trigger on anything. This is what makes me just want a trackey from FRPP and call it a day. Will someone with am ACTUAL negative experience tell me what makes BAMA bad?


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They had some drivability issues and left performance on the table with their old tunes/tuner. They have a new tuner who apparently knows his stuff a lot better and they have corrected pretty much all the issues, from the idle surge when cold to the torque management stepping in on the race tune. I don't know if it is any faster (yet) as we have snow on the ground and the local tracks are closed, but it isn't the old Bama tune. I plan on comparing the old 93R to the new 93R on the same day.
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Can I just ask why there is such a disparity in what one person says about one tune company vs another? Seems like so many people bash on BAMA but then a company like AM stands behind them. I have no tune, never had a tune on any car I've ever owned. Honestly my head spins when I think about it because I hear so many conflicting stories. So I just don't pull the trigger on anything. This is what makes me just want a trackey from FRPP and call it a day. Will someone with am ACTUAL negative experience tell me what makes BAMA bad?
Ox, you'll see that the feedback about Bama will get better as people try out their new tunes. They really live up to the hype. I've worked with them for years and will continue to do so. They stand behind their work and I so do I. They've made some incredible improvements over the past few months with their V2 Tunes and I encourage anyone that's enrolled in their Free Tunes For Life Program to test them out.

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I haven't heard any updated complaints. Meaning all I hear about is I read about a buddy who had a cousin who had a bad tune from them three years ago! Lol my tune has never given me problems. Biggest difficulty was getting my computer to recognize the stupid device lol
Nate it happens every now and then! What I want people to know is that Bama's Tech Support and Customer Service is paramount. They'll put in overtime to ensure that you're not only happy but that your Mustang is running at 100%!

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They had some drivability issues and left performance on the table with their old tunes/tuner. They have a new tuner who apparently knows his stuff a lot better and they have corrected pretty much all the issues, from the idle surge when cold to the torque management stepping in on the race tune. I don't know if it is any faster (yet) as we have snow on the ground and the local tracks are closed, but it isn't the old Bama tune. I plan on comparing the old 93R to the new 93R on the same day.
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There were definitely some isolated issues and consistency problems that Bama has worked to rectify and their new Lead Calibrator has overhauled most if not all of their tunes. Their new V2 Tunes feature a complete remap of the electronic throttle calibrations for even more improved throttle response over the stock tune. There were many comments and a lot of feedback from the Automatic customers and Bama did a complete redesign of the shift points, shift characteristics, torque converter lock/unlock, torque reduction, etc. Furthermore there have been fueling and spark mapping changes which aided in improving driveability for maximum performance!

If anyone has any questions about them I'm happy to help just let me know!

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Ox - At the end of the day this is a public forum and when there's an issue it's going to make its way onto here. What I want our customers and potential Bama customer to know is that they're the largest Mustang Tuning group out there -

These guys create more customer tunes on a yearly basis than any other groups combined. For every 25 that are sent out one might have a problem and the majority of the time it's in regards to the device taking the tune or loading it.

I've worked with them for years and will continue to do so - They stand behind their work and I so do i. They've made some incredible improvements over the past few months with their V2 Tunes and I encourage anyone that's enrolled in their Free Tunes For Life Program to test them out.



Nate it happens every now and then! What I want people to know is that Bama's Tech Support and Customer Service is paramount - They'll put in overtime to ensure that you're not only happy but that your Mustang is running at 100%!



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There were definitely some isolated issues that Bama has worked to rectify and their new Lead Calibrator has overhauled most if not all of their tunes. Their new V2 Tunes feature a complete remap of the electronic throttle calibrations for even more improved throttle response over the stock tune. There were many comments and a lot of feedback from the Automatic customers and Bama did a complete redesign of the shift points, shift characteristics, torque converter lock/unlock. Furthermore fuel map and spark map changes aided in even further improved driveability for maximum performance!

If anyone has any questions about them I'm happy to help just let me know!

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Alex,

Thank you for the response. Maybe I will give them a shot one of these days. I am still a little torn on getting the trackey or a BAMA tune. I guess in the end it depends on what I want to do with the car, and what mods I would do to the motor if any. Right now I'm pretty stock, just a K&N drop in, and magnaflow 3" x pipe back to the street mufflers. So I'm not sure I really need a BAMA tune
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Thank you for the response. Maybe I will give them a shot one of these days. I am still a little torn on getting the trackey or a BAMA tune. I guess in the end it depends on what I want to do with the car, and what mods I would do to the motor if any. Right now I'm pretty stock, just a K&N drop in, and magnaflow 3" x pipe back to the street mufflers. So I'm not sure I really need a BAMA tune
If you have the money to get a tune you would notice the improvement for sure over stock. But if you are happy with the way it is that is totally okay as well

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^its not about money. More about what's right for my application. I have no doubt I would notice a difference. I'm just wondering if it's necessary for me, if it is then maybe I give BAMA a try. Maybe I need to find someone close by that has a tune and similar mods and ask for a ride.
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^its not about money. More about what's right for my application. I have no doubt I would notice a difference. I'm just wondering if it's necessary for me, if it is then maybe I give BAMA a try. Maybe I need to find someone close by that has a tune and similar mods and ask for a ride.
Yep. If you are happy with your ride just leave it, if you want a little extra tune it. Finding someone with a tune would be a big plus though

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Oh, that will change. I was the same way. Now I have a build list for the engine that will be going on as soon as warranty is done.
I don't know. I've had the car a year and a half already and I'm still satisfied with the power but who knows, anything can happen. I just want reliability because I'm not into trying to troubleshoot issues on a fairly new vehicle. I did all of that in my younger days when I was driving stuff that was always having running issues and it became not fun anymore.

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