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Old 03-19-2015, 01:21 PM   #1
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2014 GT Traction Issues

I'm curious to see if anyone has experienced what I am about to describe...

I have a 2014 GT with track package and its bone stock. About 2 months ago, roughly around 16K miles... I started noticing that it is extremely easy to break the car loose.. in a straight line, with the traction control on... almost too easy...

If I really get on in, i'm actually not grabbing traction until almost 3rd gear...

My factory tires are almost brand new... because as soon as i baught the car I put winter tires on it for the first 10K miles. The tread is very good on them.

Now dont me wrong.. its extremely fun.. but I am noticing it more and more the more miles i put on it. Is almost as if the traction control is there for show...

Am I just being crazy or is something up with the car?
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Old 03-19-2015, 01:33 PM   #2
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My Base 14 GT is just about that bad, although my previous 11 GT was worse (thought it was stock but maybe it had a tune from prev owner or 3.73 gears and I never knew it)
Both had the stock 235/ 18 inch tires and I'm thinking that has a lot to do with it.
I'm going to do it right and save up for wider wheels and tires from AM. These factory wheels don't allow for much of an increase in tire width, maybe 255 at most.
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man, i'm curious because it never used to do that and i've always driving it hard.. I do have 255 pirellis all around on mine though... which have always handled good... but man in a straight line i can light them up... lol
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The track pack came with summer tires and are not very good in 50 or below. So that could be it .
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no you are right... and i would completely agree with you except that here in Houston it has been in the 80s and its still happening!
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It's your suspension and ****ty tires.

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[QUOTE=Rapinator126;2194163]It's your suspension and ****ty tires.


I dont know man... I can give you suspension to an extent.. but i am not getting wheel hop... and really? the Pirellis are crappy tires???
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Pirellis are garbage , just took mine off my car . I thought they were great tires but not anymore


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Oh dam lol... so what do you guys recommend for a new set of tires?
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Pirelli tires work fine for what they are, don't expect them to go much beyond daily driving or you'll be disappointed. I'm perfectly happy driving around town on them. If you want hook, get something like ET Streets. When I wanna hook, I put those on. Got them on the car now. It doesn't even hardly spin in 1st gear now with suspension to support. Front rises a bit, the rear squats and it just goes straight. Lots of fun.

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I have MTs and suspension and can break loose in 3rd.
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Are both you bone stock?
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It's your suspension and ****ty tires.


I dont know man... I can give you suspension to an extent.. but i am not getting wheel hop... and really? the Pirellis are crappy tires???
Don't listen then.

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Old 03-19-2015, 05:03 PM   #15
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I can comment on traction control I noticed. 2013 GT MT-82 19" P-zeros ; I had track control on one night last summer.
Going fast in 1st I power shifted to 2nd, it started wheel spining, slid right, and all of a sudden "BANG" the brakes were hit on and off real quick and the car straightened up while it thru me forward and I was like What the heck?

I didn't do that again...
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My '14 GT with 3.31 gears does the same thing. At 6500 miles, I can get on it from a roll at 20mph and the rear will start to slide to the right and will continue through the shifts. My 17 year old has asked what the point of traction control is if there isn't any traction control. I don't know what the point is either. I did notice that the tires break loose even quicker and easier if I turn traction control off. Shifting also seems smoother, so it's not really an issue any more.
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The PZeros on my BBP '12 were ok when new but, I'd worn them out by 20,000 km on the car and they were greasy as pig snot at that point. Their uber-stiff MO carcass made wheelhop worse but, I cured that with a Roush upper control arm.

I have Michelin Pilot Sport AS3s on now and wet traction is phenomenal on these all season tires and grip level dry is as good as the Pirellis ever were on their best day. The slightly softer carcass means smoother ride, less tramlining and hop, skip over bumps. As a road tire, they are way better.
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Noxim no not stock CAI 93 tune Mag. catback AL DS.
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Well it seems for some the track control is not doing anything, and its working on mine. I have to take it off to launch on a 1/4 mile track, or it puts the brakes on&off in 1st gear and 2nd.

Edit: And that was in "sport" mode designed for the track. It did keep the car straight but took .2 off the time I got with it totally off.
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Thanks folks, this is exactly what i'm experiencing and i will definetively have to check out the Michelin Pilots
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I dont know man... I can give you suspension to an extent.. but i am not getting wheel hop... and really? the Pirellis are crappy tires???
The Pirellis are awful. The traction issue sounds like a combination of not having enough rebound control in the shocks (shifting causes rear end to lift, causing a loss of normal force on the tires, causing a loss of friction) and not a high enough grade of tire.
People tend to underestimate the importance of suspension and tire, but you can have all the power in the world, and it is meaningless unless your suspension can productively transfer it to the tires, which have to be able to counter that torque with enough friction to cause forward motion.
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Oh dam lol... so what do you guys recommend for a new set of tires?
I run 12.54 all day long at the track with my PZero Neros. On the street you have to learn how to judiciously apply throttle. AND don't power shift. Out side temp is also a major factor. there is nothing wrong with the PZero Neros. There are a lot of people running in the 12s on these tires.
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Ford does this on every Mustang, even the GT500. They put a totally inadequate tire to the level of power the engine makes. I mean, really, a 235 tire on a car with over 400 horses? Even the 255 on the BBP and TP is marginal with this level of power.

launching this car is pretty tricky anyway and throwing street rubber into the mix makes it even harder. I find using the clutch and throttle to control the wheelspin out of the hole makes for the best fire-off but, sure as shooting, if you're in it hard, as soon as it hits 4k, it'll blow them right off the tarmac.

With the slick, at the prepared track, it's dead nuts simple: Rev to 4500, dump the clutch and mash the throttle simultaneously. No problemo with the tall sidewall taking the hit. I've tried dumping at up to 6000 and it would hold that but the car wouldn't 60 faster so I was just beating up things unnecessarily.
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In my 2013 GT with track pack I always have to turn traction control off!


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Well, yes, of course. To launch the car the TC needs to be off.
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Oh dam lol... so what do you guys recommend for a new set of tires?
I have kumho tires on my 2011 with 3.73 gears. They do okay I guess but they still have a hard time keeping traction.
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When you get on it, does your traction control not cut the RPMs? In my '14 as soon as I break loose the car just cuts the fuel supply to the motor causing me to gain traction again
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I have never noticed the TC cutting fuel/rpms on my MT-82 , only applying the brakes for nano secs. If yours an Auto?
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I have never noticed the TC cutting fuel/rpms on my MT-82 , only applying the brakes for nano secs. If yours an Auto?
idk if you're asking me or op, but yes mine is auto
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I have never noticed the TC cutting fuel/rpms on my MT-82 , only applying the brakes for nano secs. If yours an Auto?
You are feeling the stability management (advance-trac). Stability control steps in when a slip angle is introduced (at which point individual wheel braking is introduced until stability is achieved), where traction control steps in when the rear wheel speed exceeds the front wheel speed (at which point, it cuts either fuel, spark, or throttle plate angle).
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You are feeling the stability management (advance-trac). Stability control steps in when a slip angle is introduced (at which point individual wheel braking is introduced until stability is achieved), where traction control steps in when the rear wheel speed exceeds the front wheel speed (at which point, it cuts either fuel, spark, or throttle plate angle).
wow, thank you. That explains a lot now...
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Also as tires wear it gets harder and stiffer so an older tire will have less traction than the same tire but newer.


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Also as tires wear it gets harder and stiffer so an older tire will have less traction than the same tire but newer.


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