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Old 05-02-2015, 08:31 PM   #1
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I have a brembo GT. When you click the traction off button twice sport mode turns on which is great I love how it tightens up the steering and let's you get some wheel spin while still having control. When you hold the button for 5 seconds the whole system turns off. Realistically what's the actual difference between just clicking it once and turning the traction off and holding it for the 5 seconds. I've tried both while messing around and can't tell a difference.


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sport mode puts the traction control off but leaves the stability control on and when you hold for 10 seconds it turns everything but abs off completely
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sport mode puts the traction control off but leaves the stability control on and when you hold for 10 seconds it turns everything but abs off completely

That's kinda my question maybe I didn't state it correctly. What's the point of turning the system completely off instead of just turning off traction. Is there any benefit from just turning off traction control or is there more from turning the whole system off?


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Thanks for finding that for me. No sarcasm intended but I'll scroll through the 30 page table of contents to find the specific page later lol


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That's kinda my question maybe I didn't state it correctly. What's the point of turning the system completely off instead of just turning off traction. Is there any benefit from just turning off traction control or is there more from turning the whole system off?


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if im at the autocross or track i need everything off, or the stability control will start interfering. i even turn it completely off sometimes for mtn rd driving, its not very fun when the system applies the brakes to one wheel mid corner. for most drivers sport mode is fine for anything on the street
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if im at the autocross or track i need everything off, or the stability control will start interfering. i even turn it completely off sometimes for mtn rd driving, its not very fun when the system applies the brakes to one wheel mid corner. for most drivers sport mode is fine for anything on the street

I understand maybe that's why I've never needed to turn it completely off. I don't auto-x but I can see how that would interfere. I love sport mode for the road it really let's you get loose while still have control 😆 thanks


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Stability control is basically oversteer management. Traction control is straight line blowoff management.

At the dragstrip the TC can be intrusive but SC rarely is. I have a kill switch wired in the check circuit for all the nannies. I just flip that and everything is off, for good and all. It will set and intrument panel cluster signal loss code but, I can clear that easily in multiple ways.
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Stability control is basically oversteer management. Traction control is straight line blowoff management.

At the dragstrip the TC can be intrusive but SC rarely is. I have a kill switch wired in the check circuit for all the nannies. I just flip that and everything is off, for good and all. It will set and intrument panel cluster signal loss code but, I can clear that easily in multiple ways.

I see. First time at the strip I messed up so bad because of forgetting about traction off and sport 😂


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So for straight line amazingness you just want TC off and Advance Trac can stay on then?

Only ask since I am always so uses to turning everything off haha. I don't track the car so some Stability management is OK on the street but I don't want traction control robbing me of juice. I can control that with my feet.

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So for straight line amazingness you just want TC off and Advance Trac can stay on then?

Only ask since I am always so uses to turning everything off haha. I don't track the car so some Stability management is OK on the street but I don't want traction control robbing me of juice. I can control that with my feet.

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http://youtu.be/xGztXdsVGdU

This is a launch I would do at the strip in "sport mode"


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I drag race and all you need off is the traction control. With it on you can't even do a burnout.
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Stability control can interfere without you realizing it, as can TC. It only throws a light on if the particular incident it is seeking to control exceeds a certain duration OR severity. It can still be working away, unheralded. That's why these cars tend to chew through rear brake pads so fast.
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I drag race and all you need off is the traction control. With it on you can't even do a burnout.
For a burnout id shut the traction off but at the track i'd leave the traction on...? Unless im missing something
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You are. You want all nannies off at the strip. You want full control and maximum input. Obviously, I run slicks so, I wouldn't trigger traction control anyway, even if I left it on but, as I said, these systems can subtly activate without your knowledge.
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For a burnout id shut the traction off but at the track i'd leave the traction on...? Unless im missing something

You could use sport mode lol


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You are. You want all nannies off at the strip. You want full control and maximum input. Obviously, I run slicks so, I wouldn't trigger traction control anyway, even if I left it on but, as I said, these systems can subtly activate without your knowledge.

Do you know if some cars don't come with the sport mode option?


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All the nannies are standard....
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Stability control can interfere without you realizing it, as can TC. It only throws a light on if the particular incident it is seeking to control exceeds a certain duration OR severity. It can still be working away, unheralded. That's why these cars tend to chew through rear brake pads so fast.
It is not just pads that can become an issue, but your pad and fluid temp. Advance Trac is not very competent, and it will cause brake fade and then failure due to heat buildup under hard driving. The safe bet is to disable it, and check every so often to ensure that it has not decided to reactivate itself.
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You could use sport mode lol


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Do you know if some cars don't come with the sport mode option?


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Only the brembo and track pack cars come with sport mode. All mustangs can fully disable advance trac though, and the car is significantly quicker with it off...
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Only the brembo and track pack cars come with sport mode. All mustangs can fully disable advance trac though, and the car is significantly quicker with it off...
Not true. I have a GT Premium, no track pack or Brembo's, and have sport mode TC.
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GT Premium here as well and I also have Sport Mode.
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Pretty sure it's standard across the range. bbp and tp cars get more aggressive calibration but the system is standard.
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Pretty sure it's standard across the range. bbp and tp cars get more aggressive calibration but the system is standard.

Interesting I thought the Brembo cars had something unique to their advance trac system but wasn't sure.


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Only the brembo and track pack cars come with sport mode. All mustangs can fully disable advance trac though, and the car is significantly quicker with it off...

That's what I thought. Only Brembo and trac pack cars but I guess not


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Not true. I have a GT Premium, no track pack or Brembo's, and have sport mode TC.
Good to know, three of the GTs I instructed in had sport mode, two did not. Was it that those two were 2011s?
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I found out the use of "partial off" and "all off" when I was destroying my last set of tires. The damn car would not figure 8, just kept cutting out.
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Only the brembo and track pack cars come with sport mode. All mustangs can fully disable advance trac though, and the car is significantly quicker with it off...

I have a GT base model and it has sport mode as well.


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SUMMARY:

Traction Contol - on = prevents wheels spin.
Traction Control - off = allows wheels spin, burn outs, or for snow.

You can turn off Traction Control just by pushing the button. (AdvanceTrac stays on)

AdvanceTrac - (stability control)
On - helps prevents oversteer, "fish tailing"
Off - allows oversteer, drifting, power oversteer.

You can turn off both by holding down for 5 seconds while pressing the brake. This disables BOTH AdvanceTrac & Traction Control

SportMode - double tap the TractionControl button, while press the Brake. This will lower the intervention threshold for AdvanceTrac, and allow you to fishtail / oversteer a little.
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Well said. I love sport because it's in the middle of both


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