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Old 07-07-2015, 10:54 PM   #1
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New Tune for my Mustang

Just thought I'd post the steps I'm taking to get an email tune.

The reason behind getting a specific tune for the Mustang is just to see if it will be more responsive than the generic tune I now have..........the SCT tuner and Airaid CAI were purchased as a kit buy the original owner from Summit Racing and were on the car when I purchased it last year.

I've had a tune in the Mustang since I bought it with 2700 miles last year. I had some issues with putting the tune back to stock and SCT went out of their way to help me...............and I had not purchased the SCT as it came with the car.

I have been putting this off because although I understand what data logging is I was just a little intimidated to actually hook my computer/tuner up the car. Well today I did the initial test to see if I could really do this and was successful at getting the part throttle part of the data logging done. It was a lot easier than I thought....................................I should have done it a month ago.

As for finding someone to actually do the tune I finally decided to go with Shaun from AED..............after talking with him and emailing back and forth.
I sent him the first file which was more of a test for me and wanted to make sure I had all of the data he needed. Within a couple of hours he emailed me back and told the data he needed was correct and it looked good.......except, bank 1 is running leaner than bank 2. He suggested I look for exhaust leaks as that was most likely the reason. I started the car in the garage and listened for any leaks and couldn't hear any so we emailed back and forth this afternoon and although I am going to put the car up on the hoist tomorrow he told me if my exhaust system has never been touched it could just be the tune that is in the car now.................it's a generic tune for 91 octane.
So, tomorrow I'll put the car up and check for leaks..............if there are none I'll do the part throttle data log again and then the WOT data log and send them to him. I'm out in the country now so finding a straight couple of miles of road is not an issue....................with no intersections of course.

I'm really kind of excited about doing the data logging and seeing all of the information at your finger tips. I was initially a little worried about knock/ghost knock..............and the knock line was straight as an arrow and never moved once.
It's just hard to understand why I was so intimidated................guess it's because I'm old and didn't start using computers until my late 20's. Anyway it's just so easy..................................and there is so much information you can gather about everything on the Mustang.

Now its got me thinking about taking the car to the drag strip and doing some data logging.......................maybe.
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Lol. Then its fun to find a place to actually run the logs. Back in early 13 I was a field tester on 13 SHO and ran 40 plus logs for tuner.

Problem now is the 130 mph logs on the CJ just to hit shift point in third now...
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Although there just isn't anywhere close that is safe enough to put the car at red line in 5th gear I'll have to do it in 3rd. For me the real fun part is being able to read all 23 different variables during the data logging. I have always loved looking at real time data especially on an engine dyno and this is 10 times better.
I've used Lambda sensors for some 20+ years....................this is like having 23 crystal balls feeding you real time information instantly. Just a lot of fun for this Ole School guy!
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Didn't get the Mustang on the lift today but will tomorrow.
Went to the country road I bike on to do my data log...........the only issue is there were patches of gravel. Although bank 1 is still running lean I did the gradual pull to 5krpm in 3rd followed by the WOT to red line in 3rd. Got a lot of variation in the knock sensor line. After I get the car up on the hoist and see if something is loose and check for any exhaust that may be contacting the body/suspension parts I need to find a clean road without the gravel.
The other day when I did partial throttle to 5krpm I was on a clean road and the knock sensor line was straight.
This is just so much fun................................wish AED wasn't 12 hours away.
Will see what tomorrow brings.
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This morning started out to be a great day. Put the Mustang up on the lift, listened underneath for leaks with stethoscope, shook and banged on the exhaust system and could find no leaks or rattles. So although the right bank is running lean it's not from an exhaust leak and the knock sensor is not picking up noise from the exhaust.
Now, the not so good part of the day.........................picked a different road and ran my data logs. The part throttle data log to 5krpm slowly showed no knock at all.......................then after idling for 2 minutes I did the WOT test..........severe knocking from 2000rpm to 7000rpm. The knocking increased with rpm!? So, it's either a fuel issue or the motor has an issue.
After talking with AED I'll pull the plugs tomorrow and give them a extensive read, and I've ordered some 100 octane unleaded race gas. Assuming the plugs look ok I've got to wait 3/4 days before getting the fuel. Then we will try it again and see if the knock is real or not.
What turned out in my mind to be a simple venture has turned into a real flog or the Mustang. It would have been so much easier to be at AED and do this although we would have run into the same issues I wouldn't have had to wait for the race gas as it's readily available.
Trying to do this on my own without the use of a chassis dyno sucks......I could have gotten where I am now probably within than less than an hour on the dyno..............trying to do it on the road is a little frustrating.
If I had to guess.....................which is all I can do at this point............I'd bet it's fuel/timing issue..............we'll just have to wait and see.
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I went though the same issuses. Shaun will walk you through the troubleshooting and have you running your tune in no time.
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I went though the same issuses. Shaun will walk you through the troubleshooting and have you running your tune in no time.
I have been on the phone with Shaun, super nice guy and seems to really know his stuff.
Did you have the same problem with knocking/lean on bank 1?
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I had the knock sensor issue a few weeks ago when doing my data logging with Shawn. When I got new gas, everything was good to go. It just makes you wonder if you can trust where you get gas.


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I've been running Chevron for a lot of years......................maybe I need to switch to Costco as Shaun suggested.
Just seemed so straight forward and the issues................I'm counting on it being better than the tune I've got now.
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Ok, so pulled all of my plugs, checked the gaps and put them back in. The plugs have 8400 miles and are the stock Motorcraft Iridium CYFS12Y's.
To the person who told me I had to disconnect the battery and pull it out...either you have never wrenched on a car before or maybe you're just lazy! I had no issues with the battery or battery box.
To my astonishment every single plug was gapped at .047". Bank 1..........the passenger side were all white and had minute pitting that could only be seen with a magnifying glass.
Although the porcelain was nice and white, the apex of the electrode was dark as was the strap at the 90 degree point and just above the apex of the strap. The fire ring was dark black.....carbon.
Bank 1............drivers side much the same but there was no pitting at all.
Although starting the car after sitting in the garage overnight does produce a gas smell..............not overpowering but you know it's unleaded fuel............no, the twin tips of the mufflers are clean.
I just ordered 10 gallons of 100 octane unleaded race fuel and should have that by next week. Then filler her up and start doing some driving...........then after the Mustang has learned how to drink 100 octane I'll start doing some redline data logs..............then send them to AED and hopefully get my first shot at a tune.
Guess from now on I'll be buying Costco gas, just seems kind of strange because I have been using Chevron fuel for decades.......no longer.
Until I get the race gas...............
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I've been running Chevron for a lot of years......................maybe I need to switch to Costco as Shaun suggested.
Just seemed so straight forward and the issues................I'm counting on it being better than the tune I've got now.
It's definitely in your gas. Not that chevron ain't good, but maybe the gas station you're getting it from has something funny in their tanks. Try a different place. I say that cuz chevron next to my place sells 94, I have never noticed a difference in my car's throttle response each time I got gas from here. This other time I had to get gas on my way to work, well I got chevron 94 again AND I could feel a difference right away! Car ran a little bit smoother, it was noticeably quicker too!

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It's definitely in your gas. Not that chevron ain't good, but maybe the gas station you're getting it from has something funny in their tanks. Try a different place. I say that cuz chevron next to my place sells 94, I have never noticed a difference in my car's throttle response each time I got gas from here. This other time I had to get gas on my way to work, well I got chevron 94 again AND I could feel a difference right away! Car ran a little bit smoother, it was noticeably quicker too!

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I live in a pretty small town and I've tried all three stations. I hear everyone talk about the Chevron stations in California and how bad their gas has become and up here in Oregon I don't think it's any better..............at least after looking at the plugs in the Mustang. I've been used to looking at the plugs in my Drag car and running 114 leaded racing gas with 14 to 1 compression, so seeing white porcelain and pitting is to say the least concerting. Here in Oregon the highest octane is 92 Chevron.............and that's a 4 hour drive South to Grants Pass.
The West Coast has a lot going for it.................but not gas. So, I guess after I do the unleaded racing fuel test...............get my AED tune........I'll begin using Costco gas and see where that takes me.
I'd cut off my pinky finger to be able to get 94 octane fuel here............and the amount of ethanol is going up as we speak. 100 octane is only $12.10 per gallon...............maybe I'll start buying 55 gallon drums and cutting my poor quality 91...............Can't wait to get the 100 octane fuel..........put some new plugs in the car and do a bunch of redline pulls to see what the plugs should look like with good gas and a good tune.
More to follow.............................
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I'm in BC, gas here is super freakin expensive!! 91 goes for 5.80/gallon and 94 is at 6 bucks. Luckily I'm only 30-45 mins away from us-canada border, I always get my gas from WA. Either Shell in Blaine, or Costco/Fred Myers in Bellingham. It's been pretty good so far. My only gripe is they don't have 94 octane either, just 92. No of course 91 here in BC is whole another story, at least when I did my datalog with Lund and MPT. It had severe knocking all the way from 2000 to redline. .

I'm not sure if this is a good idea or even feasible for our mustang: try mixing in 1 or 2 galons of E-85 in a full tank of 92. This might help with getting extra octane ponies out of it - this is what a few BRZ guys said they were doing. They have a high compression boxer engines right, and are also running a giant turbo on stock internals lol. Maybe their tuner suggested em so, I wouldn't know. E85 is uncharted territory for me lol

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I'm in BC, gas here is super freakin expensive!! 91 goes for 5.80/gallon and 94 is at 6 bucks. Luckily I'm only 30-45 mins away from us-canada border, I always get my gas from WA. Either Shell in Blaine, or Costco/Fred Myers in Bellingham. It's been pretty good so far. My only gripe is they don't have 94 octane either, just 92. No of course 91 here in BC is whole another story, at least when I did my datalog with Lund and MPT. It had severe knocking all the way from 2000 to redline. .

I'm not sure if this is a good idea or even feasible for our mustang: try mixing in 1 or 2 galons of E-85 in a full tank of 92. This might help with getting extra octane ponies out of it - this is what a few BRZ guys said they were doing. They have a high compression boxer engines right, and are also running a giant turbo on stock internals lol. Maybe their tuner suggested em so, I wouldn't know. E85 is uncharted territory for me lol

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Voltwings was talking to Ken at MPT about doing just that. Maybe message him and get his thread link for it. It sounds feasible
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I'm in BC, gas here is super freakin expensive!! 91 goes for 5.80/gallon and 94 is at 6 bucks. Luckily I'm only 30-45 mins away from us-canada border, I always get my gas from WA. Either Shell in Blaine, or Costco/Fred Myers in Bellingham. It's been pretty good so far. My only gripe is they don't have 94 octane either, just 92. No of course 91 here in BC is whole another story, at least when I did my datalog with Lund and MPT. It had severe knocking all the way from 2000 to redline. .

I'm not sure if this is a good idea or even feasible for our mustang: try mixing in 1 or 2 galons of E-85 in a full tank of 92. This might help with getting extra octane ponies out of it - this is what a few BRZ guys said they were doing. They have a high compression boxer engines right, and are also running a giant turbo on stock internals lol. Maybe their tuner suggested em so, I wouldn't know. E85 is uncharted territory for me lol

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Voltwings was talking to Ken at MPT about doing just that. Maybe message him and get his thread link for it. It sounds feasible
For the past few years a number of drag racers have been switching over to E85 and although it is cheaper than race gas by 2/3, you use twice as much E85.
I had two good friends that switched to E85 in their cars..........they both spent almost a full race season getting it to be consistent and one decided to back to race gas and the other one is still using E85 and having issues when the humidity swings by more than 10%.
You also have to increase the flow rate by some 30% and you have to make sure the complete fuel system is totally drained if you store the vehicle for any period of time as alcohol attracts water.
Personally I would only work with a fuel specialist as just throwing a 50/50 mixture of gas and E85 may have some serious consequences.
Running E85 in my estimation is a long drawn out situation. One other thing to remember is that in the winter months the retail market drops the level of E85 down to about E72 to prevent cold start issues in parts of the country.
For me, there are too many issues running E85..................if I have to I'll buy GT100 and cut it with 91 octane to get it where it needs to be.
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Another option is to try one of the better octane additives. I've used/tried and logged a lot of them. The best I've found for the money is a product from VP Racing Fuels called Octanium. It treats 10 gallons to raise up to 8 full numbers and costs 16 per can. I run 93 non ethanol pump (very consistent) as my base.


I'm getting steady 30-31 degrees timing (through full rpm range) and zero knock on Lund 100 octane tune. The ecu is actually adding 4-5 degrees of timing which is what you want. Lund said my logs look great. Your tuner can only tune to the quality and octane of your gasoline. You might try this as a cheaper alternative to race gas or the corn. FYI
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Another option is to try one of the better octane additives. I've used/tried and logged a lot of them. The best I've found for the money is a product from VP Racing Fuels called Octanium. It treats 10 gallons to raise up to 8 full numbers and costs 16 per can. I run 93 non ethanol pump (very consistent) as my base.


I'm getting steady 30-31 degrees timing (through full rpm range) and zero knock on Lund 100 octane tune. The ecu is actually adding 4-5 degrees of timing which is what you want. Lund said my logs look great. Your tuner can only tune to the quality and octane of your gasoline. You might try this as a cheaper alternative to race gas or the corn. FYI
The issue here on the West Coast is that ethanol is at about 15% in all of our gas which makes it all over the board.
I appreciate the advice about gas adders as I've just never really tried them.
Since the generic tune in the Mustang is just that I can't wait to get this gas thing taken care of and see what AED can do. Since I don't put a lot of miles on my Mustang.........about 600miles per month................I will try the Costco gas as AED recommended and if that doesn't work I'll by the Sunoco 100 in small quantities and mix it with the 91 pump gas that is available here....................I talked with Sunoco and they will give me a formula for adding the GT100 and bringing the poor 91 up to 94 octane. I've done before many years ago with my 68 Z28 which had 11.5 to 1 back in the late 70's.....................
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I'm surprised Costco gas is good. It seems it would be a cheap gas. What makes it good? I'm curious.


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While talking with AED about fuel they mentioned that Costco.....at least on the West Coast...............has been more consistent in their fuel quality than Chevron, Shell, or Union76. I've been using Chevron for at least a couple of decades and it's been a long time since I've really thought about pump gas since all of my race cars used race fuel.
After I run the GT100 through the car and get some good data logs I'll try the Costco gas and see how it works. One other thing is the Oregon puts up to 15% ethanol in there gas.................and California doesn't...............I just moved to Oregon from California last year.
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Make a little trip up to up here in BC, you can have all ethanol free 91 (shell v-power nitro) or 94 (chevron) you want :p

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Have you tried doing a kam reset?
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Have you tried doing a kam reset?
Appreciate the suggestion. Why would I want to erase the ECM?
Although I'm relying on AED for the tune, they want to make sure I have no knock to proceed......................all indications are that it is the gas quality............this is the reason I will be using GT100............running the car 20/30 miles with the GT100, then doing some red line pulls..............then data logging. The part throttle 3rd gear data log shows no knock..............only from 2000 rpm to 7000 rpm at WOT in 3rd gear.
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Make a little trip up to up here in BC, you can have all ethanol free 91 (shell v-power nitro) or 94 (chevron) you want :p

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That would be a great road trip................next time we come up to Victoria we'll have to make a plan.
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That would be a great road trip................next time we come up to Victoria we'll have to make a plan.
That's sounds perfect! See if you can come while it's still nice and hot, we can go hit up sea to sky hwy to Whistler. It's freaking breathtaking, if you haven't been on it yet!

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Are the forest fires still going on by Whistler. I was on vacation last week in Sechelt and the smoke was bad.


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Last week and the week before were bad, it was smokey through out good part of BC. Whistler, Vancouver Island (towards Nanaimo) and Interior (Kelowna, Kamloops..Alberta side) has fires all over. They had to call up extra personnel from Canadian Forces to help out fire fighters. But it rained just a few days ago, it seems to have helped it out quite a bit

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That's sounds perfect! See if you can come while it's still nice and hot, we can go hit up sea to sky hwy to Whistler. It's freaking breathtaking, if you haven't been on it yet!

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We will try and do that before the rainy season.
Yes, I've been to Whistler and it's been over 15 years. I think the last time was in my 97 Cobra.
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We will try and do that before the rainy season.
Yes, I've been to Whistler and it's been over 15 years. I think the last time was in my 97 Cobra.
You need to come visit soon then! The whole hwy from Vancouver to Whistler got revamped during 2010 winter Olympics. Its much more fun, and safe to drive.

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You need to come visit soon then! The whole hwy from Vancouver to Whistler got revamped during 2010 winter Olympics. Its much more fun, and safe to drive.

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Ok, how soon is soon. I've got to get the tuning issue taken care of.....need to get down to Northern California to visit my sister.............then to San Jose to close on our house.....................my 50th college reunion is the last weekend in August....then I could be there sometime in early September...........is that soon enough?
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Ok, how soon is soon. I've got to get the tuning issue taken care of.....need to get down to Northern California to visit my sister.............then to San Jose to close on our house.....................my 50th college reunion is the last weekend in August....then I could be there sometime in early September...........is that soon enough?
Haha September sounds good, its just that weather becomes quite unpredictable starting mid-late September. Including early sun set, drop in temperature and surprise rainfall. But it shouldn't be too much of a problem, its been a good summer thus far.

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Haha September sounds good, its just that weather becomes quite unpredictable starting mid-late September. Including early sun set, drop in temperature and surprise rainfall. But it shouldn't be too much of a problem, its been a good summer thus far.

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Ok, my wife has been asking to go back to Victoria..............so I'll have to make a plan.
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:49 PM   #33
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I'm surprised Costco gas is good. It seems it would be a cheap gas. What makes it good? I'm curious.


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I just filled the tank with Costco 92 octane this afternoon...........it was $3.15/gal
and I've driven about 25 miles. I have to say that all these years or preaching how good Chevron was.......................I can actually feel the difference between the 91 Chevron and the 92 Costco....................the motor is quite a bit more responsive just by driving 25 miles home. It filled to almost 14.5 gallons so pretty sure it was about as low as I could stand watching the low fuel light and actually said I had 10 miles before empty.
I'm still going to run the GT100 when I get it next week..................I've got to drive to about 200 miles round trip tomorrow so at the end of the day I'll do a data log and see if the knock is still present or not. I am a believer in Costco gas so far.
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I see knock in my tune at peak load and im running (Shell .93 V-Power) im on a lund tune and i asked him what was up with that and he said the tune just needed to get aquatinted to the fuel im running.
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AED told me kind of the same thing and told me to run my tank almost empty then fill it with the Costco 92 and drive 20/30 miles under different driving conditions to let the EEC get used to the different gas................of which I did. So after my 200 mile trip tomorrow the car should have relearned the new gas and I'll do a couple of data logs to see if this new gas has taken car of the knock at WOT. When I did my data logs at part throttle to 5krpm in 3rd gear the knock line was straight as an arrow and when I did WOT starting at 2krpm to 7krpm I had know that follow the WOT graph line from 2k to 7k. I'm hoping that with this new gas the knock will have disappeared............................if not I'll use the GT100 unleaded 100 octane.
I'm almost 99% sure the knock I'm getting is bad gas..............here in Oregon they use a minimum of 15% ethanol.
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