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Old 07-13-2015, 10:36 PM   #1
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Supercharger on a budget

2011 mustang GT Auto with Boss 302 with off-roaders X pipe.

Looking to pick up a Paxton/vortech tuner kit.

I want 600-650HP. I wont go over that ever.

1. Will a tuner kit with 47lb injectors, local tune, and no BAP be sufficient?

2. Will a Boss 302 manifold spinning to only 7,000 max actually help out?
I know the answer for N/A applications but wanted to know if that changes on a blown coyote.

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That Boss Intake is already a mistake on YOUR car. Adding a blower will be no different.
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The answer to all of your questions is no, there is no such thing as doing boost "cheap," This coming from someone who has boosted several cars. Whatever you think you can get away spending, double it.
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Depends on what you consider cheap. That's why this is the dumbest question.

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So instead of non productive answers, just answer the questions above. Can I get 600hp with 47lb injectors and if so, do I require a BAP?

I'm fine with spending money for install and tune and anything needed. Just want to know if I need ID1000 injectors and a BAP for only 600hp. Why over purchase for HP that I don't plan on having.
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Yes 47lb injectors are fine. And yes a BAP is a good idea. Unless you want to chance your motor on being cheap on $300.

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Thank you. I appreciate the answers.
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For reference the Ford 624hp kit does not run a BAP and use 47lb injectors.
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I think the OP wants 600+ rwhp, not crank.
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For reference the Ford 624hp kit does not run a BAP and use 47lb injectors.
Then don't run a BAP wtf do I know lol. Not my car and I'm not the tuner

Can it be done yes. Is it smart no. And reputable tuner will ask for one. It's cheap insurance

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I agree. For the price it is well worth it.
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I have been down this rode. I have been at 557 hp, 611hp 700hp now 780hp all with this car.
I know what works and what it will take to get to these levels. And for your goal of 600 the bap is a bright idea cheap insurance. You don't want to run out of fuel supply in the upper rpms

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My comments were relative to a specific configuration and as was said based on engine rating not rear wheel. And don't forget the stock MAF probably needs to be replaced at 650rwhp.
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My comments were relative to a specific configuration and as was said based on engine rating not rear wheel. And don't forget the stock MAF probably needs to be replaced at 650rwhp.
It doesnt, Mafs can easily be scaled for various power levels these days. My tuning back ground is in mazdaspeeds, and we can go from the stock 2.5" MAF housing to a 4" housing before we start losing a bit of resolution.
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My comments were relative to a specific configuration and as was said based on engine rating not rear wheel. And don't forget the stock MAF probably needs to be replaced at 650rwhp.
Stock MAF does not need to be replaced. Still on the stock one. It's not how the older cars were.

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I guess we all have our own experiences and our tuners have their own way of doing things. And when I said MAF I probably should have said the housing.
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Maybe I can help a little here, since I am working on a SC on a budget setup right now.

I bought a used Vortech polished kit which was actually totally complete. All the parts were there, which is amazing considering there are hundreds of parts in the kit. Paid about 60% of retail for a kit that is clearly barely used.

I have the car up and running now. I have encountered a few bumps in the road that have added cost. First, I blanked the ecm trying to return to stock and unlock my old tuner. Ford fixed that, returning the car to stock after I had the car flat decked to a local dealer. That was $129 + the tow, which I'll claim off Ford Roadside Assistance. Now it will run, somewhat roughly, on the stock tune, enough for me to verify the installation is all good.

The latest bump is I find the SCT programmer provided is still married to the car it came off of. So, I've shipped it to SCT for an unlock and am awaiting response on that. That was $150 + shipping.

Chances are good I am in for a custom tune at the end of this. Those run from $3-500. My needs are simple, so I don't think I need added tech/failure modes, like BAP: ~600 flywheel, 91 octane capability, (because I do road trips), good driveability.

As you can see, my budget build is adding up fast and that's reality. Try to do this cutting some corners isn't easy and can have unintended expenses.
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Buying used is always a tricky situation. I'm more interested in not overspending. I'm going with the following:

Paxton tuner kit
47lb or 60lb ford injectors.
Jlt intake
Some version of a BAP.
Local tune.

That should do it. Just need to figure out which BAP. I'll research that on my own.

Also doing it this way allows me to purchase the injectors, BAP, and intake prior to help cut the cost in pieces.
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Well your first mistake is going with the Paxton.
You only want 600 rwhp. So the vortech would be a lot better.
Also the best bap is the Kenne bell one.

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Definitely why Vortech was the only choice in centrifugal for me. Better at lower power levels.
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Would it be safe to assume vortec and Paxton's are to each other as are 2.3 and 2.9L Whipples?

For some reason I have read people using adjectives like car hauls like a raped ape, freight train, surreal, orgasmic etcc when describing their experience with Paxton on stock engine (650ish hp give or take). Not so much enthusiasm with vortec. Is it true that Paxton blower has a better butt dyno feel to it than vortec?!

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Bigger head unit = more explosive power feeling. Running around under normal conditions, better with a quicker responding smaller head unit. The Vortech will still support 750 horse so, it's no Powerdyne on an 88 Mustang. Just my opinion.....
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