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Old 07-21-2015, 02:50 PM   #1
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So this isn't a which one is better turbo vs supercharger topic so bare with me. My goal is 800 rwhp as a DD I currently have cobra jet intake, long tube headers flowmaster outlaws, catted x pipe, and tuned I'm soon to get an off-road h pipe my question is which set up would be best for me to use as a daily driver. My options are whipple, Paxton, or twin turbos. If I go whipple I have to take off my cobra jet intake mani. If I go Paxton or twins I can keep it and I have to take off my long tubes for the twins I'm stuck


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I would go Paxton or vortech. Not sure which one is easier to make power on. But at least with a centri you get to keep all of your mods.
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I would go Paxton or vortech. Not sure which one is easier to make power on. But at least with a centri you get to keep all of your mods.

That's what I was thinking as well but I don't know how it would handle upgraded to hit 800 hp. I know ken belle has the mammoth kit and it's supposed to be up there I'm also open to 150 shot of NOS


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800 hp

Might get a shot too. Talk to Rap. He's 780 hp with a 300 shot.


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Of coarse with forged internals


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Old 07-21-2015, 06:31 PM   #7
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800hp is going to be a expensive and drastic upgrade. No matter what power adder choice you go with

A 150 shot will get you in the 550-600 hp range

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Turbo(s) will drag a centri making the same power.
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hellion twin turbo..


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No that's for all show and no go cars.
A properly sized single will be a lot more efficient

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You mention (and are you really serious?) that you want 800 HP at the rear wheels.....
That means you are going to be at or near 1,000 HP at the crank. Any way to get there is going to mean probably $20,000 ++ in mods by the time you modify your fuel delivery, forge your internals, balance and blueprint, beef up your tranmission (auto or manual?), driveline, rear gears and axles, beef up your unibody for this kind of torque.......this is SERIOUS HP you are talking about.
You sure you want to go there? Do you have access to aviation fuel as well?
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^ not hard to do it all. Actually easy just expensive. I have over $20,000 in my build so far. And about another $20,000 to go

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You mention (and are you really serious?) that you want 800 HP at the rear wheels.....
That means you are going to be at or near 1,000 HP at the crank. Any way to get there is going to mean probably $20,000 ++ in mods by the time you modify your fuel delivery, forge your internals, balance and blueprint, beef up your tranmission (auto or manual?), driveline, rear gears and axles, beef up your unibody for this kind of torque.......this is SERIOUS HP you are talking about.
You sure you want to go there? Do you have access to aviation fuel as well?
Yep pretty serious but also note I want it as a daily driver the money isn't the issue its a Manual transmission but if I didn't want to show him off everywhere I'd turn him into a garage king crank it to over 1000 rwhp and use him only at the track but I won't because I don't need to be cruising around with that much

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Old 07-22-2015, 07:08 AM   #14
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Hellion Twin Turbos will get your biggest HP numbers and with a goog boost control setup you can simply crank the boost up or down depending on your conditions. Also with twins alot less stess on engine HP for HP but at that level you will need alot of other work to keep it together and get it to hook. Other option the roots style SC like the Whipple will make big numbers and are in my opinion more fun on the street and easily a 9 sec car. I know guys running 9's with a Whipple with less than 700 RWHP and their wife drives it daily.
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I say use turbos since its going to be a daily save u some gas at the same time

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You want a near 1,000 hp car to DD ? (800rwhp = 950+-hp crank)

Maybe you should look in to a turbo system with a boost controller, so you can crank it up to around 700+hp at that track when you have your slicks on, then dial it back to around 550-600hp for the streets so you're not smoking your tires and going sideways.

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To be honest, anything over 650-700 crank hp is just silliness for a daily driver. On street tires you can't put that down reliably. Look at most HIGH end cars, and they all make around 500-700 hp (crank). From exotics to Z06 to Z28 to GT500 (662hp), the reason is over that is just a waste. The only time you can EVER use over 700hp is at a drag strip or in purely in a straight line(with drag tires) or have AWD.

In hindsight after my first Mustang modding experience, I wish i had just bought a GT500 convertible (662hp @ $60k+-), as by the time I'm done with mods it would have been cheaper to get one of them. AND they hold a decent amount of their value. Where a heavily modified GT is going to be nearly "worthless" when you try to sell it.
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Exactly! this^^.....without four wheel drive, you are wasting your money for the street at 980 crank HP......of course if money is no object, you could perhaps add four wheel drive.....
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Built not bought. I make good $$ of you guys who go of straight hp #'s.

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Old 07-23-2015, 03:38 AM   #19
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You want a near 1,000 hp car to DD ? (800rwhp = 950+-hp crank)

Maybe you should look in to a turbo system with a boost controller, so you can crank it up to around 700+hp at that track when you have your slicks on, then dial it back to around 550-600hp for the streets so you're not smoking your tires and going sideways.

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To be honest, anything over 650-700 crank hp is just silliness for a daily driver. On street tires you can't put that down reliably. Look at most HIGH end cars, and they all make around 500-700 hp (crank). From exotics to Z06 to Z28 to GT500 (662hp), the reason is over that is just a waste. The only time you can EVER use over 700hp is at a drag strip or in purely in a straight line(with drag tires) or have AWD.

In hindsight after my first Mustang modding experience, I wish i had just bought a GT500 convertible (662hp @ $60k+-), as by the time I'm done with mods it would have been cheaper to get one of them. AND they hold a decent amount of their value. Where a heavily modified GT is going to be nearly "worthless" when you try to sell it.
True on the high end car parts I live in sab antonio too much traffic to ever be avle to use over 700 hp after I posted this all up I got to thinking that the other day sitting ib traffic as usually the only time I would be able to really use that much is at the track so now my debate is between twins or a Paxton I live the sound of my long tubes and it'll be even louder now that I ordered my h pipe and cut outs but I know the twins will give me bigger numbers and lower times what would you do if you had my set up and split fork in the rode centri SC or TT

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Twins is pointless so if it is twins or Paxton get the Paxton
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Twins is pointless so if it is twins or Paxton get the Paxton
Yep.

Paxton was really the only choice from the get go.

Twin screw top mount SC - you lose your CobraJet
Turbos - you lose your long tube headers
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That's very true hmm guess I know what I'm getting for Christmas super early haha


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You mention (and are you really serious?) that you want 800 HP at the rear wheels.....
That means you are going to be at or near 1,000 HP at the crank. Any way to get there is going to mean probably $20,000 ++ in mods by the time you modify your fuel delivery, forge your internals, balance and blueprint, beef up your tranmission (auto or manual?), driveline, rear gears and axles, beef up your unibody for this kind of torque.......this is SERIOUS HP you are talking about.
You sure you want to go there? Do you have access to aviation fuel as well?
I have 780 rwhp with KenneBell Mammoth and am quite happy with this. Octane 98, not aviation.Though, it is certainly not for daily trips; only when the road is dry and traffic light
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That's very true hmm guess I know what I'm getting for Christmas super early haha
And dial back your expectations on hp, its just a number.

If you want a fun driveable STREET car to DD, focus more on the supporting mods (suspension, tires, oil gears, torque converter if you have an auto, etc.) to make the car actually faster, instead of just the hp #'s.

Shoot for 600 rwhp (about 700 crank hp), and you'll be around 5lbs/hp. If you're putting that power down effectively, that's all you need for a SUPER FAST, SUPER FUN car that will do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds and is still reliable.

While those other big 800-1000hp numbers are attainable, the costs (money, maintenance, parts breaking from failure) far exceed the benefits unless you just want a dyno queen / drag car..... aka a DRAG QUEEN! ;-p
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Totally agree with C rizzle, its not about numbers there were dyno queens in my area a dime a dozen a couple years back when I had my last car that all had 100-300 more rwhp than me but couldn't touch me @ the track. Ran consistant 10.90 @ 500rwhp and than 10.40 @ 600rwhp not to mention still got >20mpg and crazy fun to drive. It's a complete package my car pulled 1.4 sixty's with minimum suspension work but enough. 500-600 rwhp and you will be all smiles if you can get it to HOOK!
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600rwhp is far from "super fast"

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800 hp

Depends on power to weight. You get an old Beetle with 600rwhp you've got a badass car. You have a late 60s Cadillac Fleetwood with 600rwhp you've got an ok car at best.


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Depends on power to weight. You get an old Beetle with 600rwhp you've got a badass car. You have a late 60s Cadillac Fleetwood with 600rwhp you've got an ok car at best.


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Well since we are talking about the coyotes. That would be irrelevant

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A 600rwhp 5.0 is fast but let's be easy on the "super" part

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Compared to drag cars at a strip, no its definitely not super fast. At a dragstip, 600rwhp coyote is just "fast".

Compared to multi-purpose (street cars or road course) cars that can actually take turns and are on street tires it is "super fast", IF you can actually put that power down.
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Compared to drag cars at a strip, no its definitely not super fast. At a dragstip, 600rwhp coyote is just "fast".

Compared to multi-purpose (street cars or road course) cars that can actually take turns and are on street tires it is "super fast", IF you can actually put that power down.
Will have to agree to disagree then. Bc I will pull bus lengths on a 600rwhp coyote. So that makes me super super fast then

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600 rwhp Coyote that hooks should run mid 10's, Agree that is not fast as a race car standard but as a DD with all the luxury features in tack and > 20mpg.. That's fast at least in my opinion, if not fast then FUN.
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Will have to agree to disagree then. Bc I will pull bus lengths on a 600rwhp coyote. So that makes me super super fast then
I'm sure you are SUPER DUPER FAST.

I never said he's going to be the fastest car on the block for bragging rights / pissing contests. I said he's going to be super fast, fun for DD'ing and low maintenance (compared to if he goes balls to the wall).

There's just a point of diminishing returns.

Its really REALLY hard to get cars to go faster than about 2.8 seconds 0-60.
Look at how tightly grouped the $100k GT-R's to $2 million La Ferraris (super cars), how they all run 0-60 a little under 3 seconds
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Just curious, which car in your garage are you comparing it to?
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My 740 rwhp coyote.

Pics in garage are real old.
It makes 744rwhp and 780 ft-1bs right now.
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My 740 rwhp coyote.

Pics in garage are real old.
It makes 744rwhp and 780 ft-1bs right now.
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Buddy has a 14 Shelby that makes 740/760. Is he super super super fast? Lol. Just kidding. His suspension and everything else is all stock. Just spins.


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