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Old 08-14-2015, 06:41 PM   #36
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My installer buddy is here and there is no way the factory wiring harness will not reach. Any thoughts!

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Yes it will,
Just reach up besides the Trans. and you will feel where it's hooked. Unhook it and that will give you more than enough slack.

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Yes it will,
Just reach up besides the Trans. and you will feel where it's hooked. Unhook it and that will give you more than enough slack.

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Rap, you had the 3.7, correct! Could it be the location of the sensor in the system?

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Yes it will,
Just reach up besides the Trans. and you will feel where it's hooked. Unhook it and that will give you more than enough slack.

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Rap, its my drivers side front to where the extenter is located.

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Alright so I took the car in and got the 02 sensors replaced with NTK from American muscle and this did not solve the problem. I don't know what it could be it's very irritating. Any more input from anybody would be greatly appreciated.

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There is this question I have tho. You can see I have the front 02 sensor up in one of the primaries of the headers and then there is 2 more holes in there for 02 sensors. I honestly had not seen that one up there and I thought the hole by the collector was where the front sensors where supposed to be. So does anyone else have the 02 sensor in the primary and could that be the problem?

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Here's another shot of the 0ld 02 sensor in one of the header primary

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The front o2 sensors should be placed in the collectors. I have no idea why you would have a hole further up the primaries and I have no experience with these headers. Is it like this on both sides?
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Yes sir it's like that on both sides and like I said I had no idea they were up there either and honestly don't know if they were there when I first got the headers or if the shop that I got them installed in did it but the car was fine when I got the headers in back in February and just recently started acting up. The shop I took it to were a little tripped out about it too because they hadn't seen anything like it

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They are jba headers if anyone else has the same thing let me know

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The o2's that you see in the collectors should be further down in the exhaust. You can see in the pic where it's capped off. Those are for the cats.
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So the hole where I have the sensor up in the primary should not be there? And u should put the sensor in the collector

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I'm astonished that you didn't have problems immediately.

If I have this straight, that is both the upstream and downstream 02 sensors on that one primary.
It looks like the upstream sensor should be installed in the bung that is currently plugged.
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After looking at it again, I think that your upstream sensor should go where, I assume, your downstream sensor is currently located, in the collector.The downstream sensor should be installed in the bung that is currently plugged. Then put the plug in the bung on the primary.
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I'm astonished that you didn't have problems immediately.

If I have this straight, that is both the upstream and downstream 02 sensors on that one primary.
It looks like the upstream sensor should be installed in the bung that is currently plugged.
I'm not sure what you mean sir? There is one sensor on one primary and the other is in the collector are you saying the sensors shouldn't be in either of those?

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After looking at it again, I think that your upstream sensor should go where, I assume, your downstream sensor is currently located, in the collector.The downstream sensor should be installed in the bung that is currently plugged. Then put the plug in the bung on the primary.
I will try that. Thank you

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After looking at it again, I think that your upstream sensor should go where, I assume, your downstream sensor is currently located, in the collector.The downstream sensor should be installed in the bung that is currently plugged. Then put the plug in the bung on the primary.
No.
I'm sorry about that first post.
Like Grabber said, the upstream 02 sensor that is currently in the primary tube, near the head, needs to be moved to the collector. The downstream sensor, that is currently located in the collector, needs to be moved to the bung that is currently plugged.

I'm assuming that you don't have cats installed?
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No.
I'm sorry about that first post.
Like Grabber said, the upstream 02 sensor that is currently in the primary tube, near the head, needs to be moved to the collector. The downstream sensor, that is currently located in the collector, needs to be moved to the bung that is currently plugged.

I'm assuming that you don't have cats installed?
No I do not have cats. I could just plug up the holes for the rear sensors correct? Or do I still need those?

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They aren't necessary if you don't have cats and you aren't worried about passing an emissions test.
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After looking at it again, I think that your upstream sensor should go where, I assume, your downstream sensor is currently located, in the collector.The downstream sensor should be installed in the bung that is currently plugged. Then put the plug in the bung on the primary.
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No.
I'm sorry about that first post.
Like Grabber said, the upstream 02 sensor that is currently in the primary tube, near the head, needs to be moved to the collector. The downstream sensor, that is currently located in the collector, needs to be moved to the bung that is currently plugged.

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No I do not have cats. I could just plug up the holes for the rear sensors correct? Or do I still need those?

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They aren't necessary if you don't have cats and you aren't worried about passing an emissions test.
Correct on everything.
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My car is just going to **** lol one more problem I'm noticing is that when I go fill up at the gas station (93 octane) the car takes a few tries before it starts and when it does it starts as if it was cammed, very lopey and I immediately have to give it gas otherwise it will die...Wtf!! Pretty embarrassing too lol could this be a sensor problem as well??

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This is what I meant when I said that I was surprised that these problems didn't show up immediately.
Your engine is trying to run on 02 information that is only being gathered from two cylinders. Normally, each of the upstream 02 sensors like to have information coming from all 4 cylinders on that bank so that they can send an average reading to the PCM.
Hopefully, once you get the 02 sensors squared away, and the PCM begins to get a complete picture of how to manage the engine, all of your driveability problems will disappear.
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Thank you sir I will stop driving the vehicle until I switch out the sensors. Thank you.

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OP I had a somewhat similar issue after installing my longtubes so this is my 2 cents. As stated before make sure the o2 extensions are removed they are not needed. I see you replaced the faulty sensors already, so in order to avoid them burning out again have the o2 bungs relocated on the collector at a downward angle. I only had the 2197 p code on mine, and did these things and havent had a code or trouble since. if you need pics of the relocated bungs let me know and ill post them up for you. I also went with a Lund tune just for a little peace of mind.
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OP I had a somewhat similar issue after installing my longtubes so this is my 2 cents. As stated before make sure the o2 extensions are removed they are not needed. I see you replaced the faulty sensors already, so in order to avoid them burning out again have the o2 bungs relocated on the collector at a downward angle. I only had the 2197 p code on mine, and did these things and havent had a code or trouble since. if you need pics of the relocated bungs let me know and ill post them up for you. I also went with a Lund tune just for a little peace of mind.
Can you post the pictures please? So you removed the extenders?

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OP I had a somewhat similar issue after installing my longtubes so this is my 2 cents. As stated before make sure the o2 extensions are removed they are not needed. I see you replaced the faulty sensors already, so in order to avoid them burning out again have the o2 bungs relocated on the collector at a downward angle. I only had the 2197 p code on mine, and did these things and havent had a code or trouble since. if you need pics of the relocated bungs let me know and ill post them up for you. I also went with a Lund tune just for a little peace of mind.
I changed the 02 sensors down to the collectors and the idling seems to have gotten better it still does it a little bit but nowhere near as much. However I now have another code showing up. P1450 unable to bleed up fuel tank. It's one thing after another on this Damm car

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I Started the car and went to see if I heard anything unusual like a leak but I can't hear anything out of the ordinary but I noticed this. If you look closely you can see one of those pipes is bent pretty bad. Could that be the cause???

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To everyone reading I've realized that the shop did not connect the purge valve connection...it was just hanging there. Could that be the reason for all my problems??

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Yes. That is probably the cause of the 1450 code.

I'm not sure what is going on with that kinked tubing in the picture but you should try to repair that also.
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Yes. That is probably the cause of the 1450 code.

I'm not sure what is going on with that kinked tubing in the picture but you should try to repair that also.
I'm debating if I should buy the install kit that comes with a new purge valve and hoses or if I should just go to the parts store and get some hoses because of that kink on that purge tube

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I would try the least expensive option first.
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