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Old 08-15-2015, 03:40 AM   #1
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My 14 5.0 vs 335

So I raced a bmw 335 the other day (at the track) and he took me by about half a car I think he had a jb4 stage 3 tune injectors bov and exhaust
Any one else raced one of those cause he really suprised me
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Yeah. My friend has one too. A full bolt on will run around 420 or so rwhp. Stock turbos and tuning really opens it up.


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Also e85 in those things adds a good chunk of power lol.


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Damn that's not bad
I need a tune and nitrous I hate loosing!
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Damn that's not bad
I need a tune and nitrous I hate loosing!

No!.. Just need to ditch the BMW crap and just get a 5.0!.. 😎


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I have a 5.0 just need it faster
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A tuned 135i twin turbo took me by a few cars and I slowly reeled him in at like 130. He's tuned, intake, exhaust, bov. Those N54 motors really move. Plus he was light as crap weighing about 135 and I'm 200 and had a 250lb friend in the car lol. I'm stock.


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We raced until 100 then I was done
I started to catch up after about 60 or so
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We raced until 100 then I was done
I started to catch up after about 60 or so

Yeah the 335i's are a bit heavier because it's a sedan so I would think anyone with a 5.0 could reel one in pretty easily. Nasty cars nonetheless and in not a fan of euro's. Tunes alone to those motors are good for 40-60 rwhp.


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Yeah, just sucks that's there a lot of reliability issues with the n54s. Nonetheless they are roughly low 12s in the quarter when full bolt on. My friend ran a 12.2x on street tires


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Well once I get mine tuned and figure out some other things I'm sure I'll be somewhere around there
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Yeah my pal's 135i has about 90k on it. No issues to speak of yet, but I'm sure routine maintenance is $$$


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They are unreliable lol, people tune those turbos but its not made for the psi they tune too so they tend to break down a lot. My cousin has a 335i sedan and he has always had some kind of problems with it, and its stock also. But stock to stock a 5.0 should murder a 335i. Even if the 335i has a tune you should still be good.
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It's the turbos and waste gate that are the issue. Also some big oil issues too. It's when you tune them to the 400rwhp range and above where issues really start happening.

Just search on bmw 335i issues and make sure it's the twin turbo one


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I know that stock 335 isn't all that fast but the guy I raced was far from stock
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Are you stock? try investing in a tune and race him again. Tune + cat deletes you would be able to take him.
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The 1 series N54s have a significant weight advantage over a 5.0. They are 3200 pounds loaded for bear. The lowest you'll get a 5.0 with no options is about 3500 pounds.

The 3 series ones are more in line with 5.0 weights. Stock for stock, it's no contest in any race over a distance, 1 or 3 but, like any force inducted car, they can be made to scoot pretty easily. They are very strong out of the hole if equipped with an automatic, definitely enough to catch you napping if you aren't careful.

The factory "updates" on N54 engines actually detuned them slightly, which pissed off my friend that owns one and pushed him to go Dinan Stage 2.
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My car Is all stock except for bilstein struts lowering springs and lower control arms
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After some cat deletes and a tune you would be right up with him if not ahead. Try changing your gears to 3.73 for better acceleration. Its a cheap mod for what you get.
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Time slips? Easy to see where improvement needs to be made if you have a pic of the slip.


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I have off-road h pipes and a tune and we are neck and neck. Only when I shift (manual) does my friend gain any lead. So tbh, from a roll, you might need a little more to successfully beat him more times than lose. But then again Idunnno cause every car is different.


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My car has 3:55 gears and I don't have any time slips cause it was at a closed road race track
But last time I took my car to the track I ran a 12.8 and that was before I replaced my lower control arms
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Start getting some performance mods then! No 335 will pass you then.
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Yeah I'm thinking of getting it tuned at aed and maybe a boss intake manifold and nitrous
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Yeah I'm thinking of getting it tuned at aed and maybe a boss intake manifold and nitrous

Skip the boss manifold if you don't plan to build around it. Better off staying stock manifold, 3:55 or higher gear ratio, and a full exhaust with nitrous. Easy 10s on a 100shot+


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Everyone wants nitrous now

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Haha yeah. There are a lot of 5.0s in Houston who run their mustangs NA with nitrous. Making me think about it now. I feel an e85 full exhaust 5.0 won't be enough for me :/


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Haha yeah. There are a lot of 5.0s in Houston who run their mustangs NA with nitrous. Making me think about it now. I feel an e85 full exhaust 5.0 won't be enough for me :/


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Alot of small shot cars.

I don't even use my kit in a race 50% of the time. Nothing better than pulling the paint off a car who makes 50+ hp than you on motor. And having a seperate 3v power output at the hit of a switch

You will be surprised on what e85 and Bolton will do with a good tune. Huston is 50% nutswingers
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Houstons got a lot of high hp cars. It's impossible to win the HP race in my eyes. And true, I just bought my injectors. Gonna tune soon. E85 bolt on are in the range of 430 issh huh


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Houstons got a lot of high hp cars. It's impossible to win the HP race in my eyes. And true, I just bought my injectors. Gonna tune soon. E85 bolt on are in the range of 430 issh huh


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I'm from there. Been in that scene since I was 17 with my 03 cobra.
It's the capital of excuses after a race.

Yes you will be in the 430 range SAE.

Who is doing your tune

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I'm right now tuned by Shaun at AED. Dunno if I'll go through someone in houston. If I go FI, then I would but staying NA, I feel AED will be good, if not the best.

Right now, 3:31 gears, cl intake for looks, kooks h pipe, and some axlebacks. Got the 47lb injectors and shorter gears in the garage waiting to be installed. Debated on manifolds, but ehhh


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What nitrous kit are you going to get?

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My 14 5.0 vs 335

Btw I previously went through a dyno tune at PSI motor sports in kemah(400/385 SAE 5) but I ended up switching due to a lot of reasons.

Cough cough, don't ever go there lol


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Nitrous outlet. Wet and direct lol


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Yes I already advised someone on here to stay away from them.

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Going with a rail setup or a distribution block

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Also if your still on the stock manifold assuming your a manual car. 3.31's are perfect. No need to swap them

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