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Old 08-19-2015, 09:36 PM   #1
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Anyone running the on3 twin turbo kit?

Reviews? Only 3800 besides the injectors


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You get what you pay for. Just remember that. Some people run them with success. Others have disastrous results.


A couple more months and my license plate will say 1fstcpa!!!!
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You get what you pay for. Just remember that. Some people run them with success. Others have disastrous results.


A couple more months and my license plate will say 1fstcpa!!!!
It's the most proven kit out there.
You have personal experience with one?
Install one?
Go sit back down.


It's a very good kit, especially with the new little tweaks that were added. Get a good injector preferably 1d1000's and a good tune and you are set.

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You get what you pay for. Just remember that. Some people run them with success. Others have disastrous results.


A couple more months and my license plate will say 1fstcpa!!!!
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Like I said go take a seat in the "I don't know what the F I'm talking about section"

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Wow double post. My apologies. First of all I said some have success and some don't. I prefer my turbos to be made from more traditional companies. I'm not bad mouthing them by any means. And yes I actually do have a couple of mustang buddies that run them. He just asked for an opinion so I gave him one. And yes I am sitting down, in my office. I generally don't stand to type messages.


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With the new improvements and the option for the ceramic ball bearing turbos I haven't seen issues, even though it's fairly new.


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It's the most proven kit out there.
You have personal experience with one?
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It's a very good kit, especially with the new little tweaks that were added. Get a good injector preferably 1d1000's and a good tune and you are set.

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Wow double post. My apologies. First of all I said some have success and some don't. I prefer my turbos to be made from more traditional companies. I'm not bad mouthing them by any means. And yes I actually do have a couple of mustang buddies that run them. He just asked for an opinion so I gave him one. And yes I am sitting down, in my office. I generally don't stand to type messages.


A couple more months and my license plate will say 1fstcpa!!!!

You haven't heard? Standing and typing is all the rage in offices.


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my friend is running the same kit and its been a year now with no problems with it at all and he's making good power with id's1000
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Does anyone know if internals need to be forged with this kit ?


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That depends on how much hp u want to run. That goes for any power adder

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That depends on how much hp u want to run. That goes for any power adder

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Did on3 revise the turbo with ceramic ball bearings ? Only reason I ask is because I've seen people on here fighting back and forth that the bearings explode so thought I might ask since you're installing one .


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No idea sir. I cannot answer this question.

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The ball bearing turbos are an option. They aren't standard with the kit. That's why it only cost 3800. By the time you buy $1000 injectors (unless you buy used) and upgrade turbos and have the kit installed and tuned your going to be on par with or have spent more than any average blower kit out there. That's what most people don't realize. This kit is not cheap in price or quality. I've seen people dump 8 grand into an on3 kit and run deep into the 9s on a stock motor. It's not smart but it can be done and is fun if you got an extra motor laying around or a lot of cash.


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The ball bearing turbos are an option. They aren't standard with the kit. That's why it only cost 3800. By the time you buy $1000 injectors (unless you buy used) and upgrade turbos and have the kit installed and tuned your going to be on par with or have spent more than any average blower kit out there. That's what most people don't realize. This kit is not cheap in price or quality. I've seen people dump 8 grand into an on3 kit and run deep into the 9s on a stock motor. It's not smart but it can be done and is fun if you got an extra motor laying around or a lot of cash.


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$1k injectors, if you plan on running over 700rwhp. Upgrade turbos? Depends on how you want to set up your stang.

Obviously there are questionable parts being used. But if someone who has a budget and wants to save money, this is certainly an option.

If all you want is a 600 rwhp car:

On3 kit: $4k
47# injectors: $250
BAP: $250
Install yourself: 40-50 hours(average mechanical skills)
Total cost: $4500

Hellion: $8k...

Of course, if you want to go faster you'll have to make more adjustments and buy more parts. It all depends on what the person is looking for.


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$1k injectors, if you plan on running over 700rwhp. Upgrade turbos? Depends on how you want to set up your stang.

Obviously there are questionable parts being used. But if someone who has a budget and wants to save money, this is certainly an option.

If all you want is a 600 rwhp car:

On3 kit: $4k
47# injectors: $250
BAP: $250
Install yourself: 40-50 hours(average mechanical skills)
Total cost: $4500

Hellion: $8k...

Of course, if you want to go faster you'll have to make more adjustments and buy more parts. It all depends on what the person is looking for.


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I'm not sure if you are nut swinging or just trying to find something negative to say about my post, but either way you have proved nothing. It takes NOWHERE near 40-50hrs to install a on3 turbo kit. You could easily do it yourself with hand tools in the driveway in a day if you are mechanically inclined. Also, why would you waste time spending $500 on a patch job fuel system when you could spend a little more and get quality parts on your car. I bet you're one of those dudes who pieces a car together and blames the tuner when it blows up. Two things on a boosted car you never skimp on and that's fuel and tuning. Also you don't build cars on a budget, if you can't afford to buy these "questionable parts" and either have the know how to install it yourself or tons of money for install/labor costs then you shouldn't even bother with it. That's speaking from years of experience... And I really could care less if anybody disagrees with it. I've owned four boosted coyotes( including a truck) now and every single one of them has made over 600hp at the wheels. The cheapest set up I've run which i rather liked was the beefcake special kit and I still had to buy the "questionable" ID1000 injectors. My favorite set up is my current which is a full return style FORE fuel system with ID1300s running E85 through a ported/polished VMP and a 79mm pulley.



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Anyone running the on3 twin turbo kit?

His goal is 600 at the tires. He does not need a full fuel system.
47lb injectors and a BAP will get him there perfectly fine on pump gas.

If he wants more latter on then the id'1000's will work or the DW 95's
The stock fuel system itself is still good at 700hp on pumpgas.
Only time I get irritated is when people are trying to push 700+ with stock fuel system and e85, Bc then they are chancing it.

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Wow double post. My apologies. First of all I said some have success and some don't. I prefer my turbos to be made from more traditional companies. I'm not bad mouthing them by any means. And yes I actually do have a couple of mustang buddies that run them. He just asked for an opinion so I gave him one. And yes I am sitting down, in my office. I generally don't stand to type messages.
If you have experience with someone running the coyote kit without the turbo upgrades (I did not plan to upgrade) that installed it in the past year or two, I'd love to hear the details. I've read everything I can find on them and it seems On3 has been making revisions along the way. The only thing I can find that may have not been fixed yet is the WG clamps. It seems the smaller/cheaper clamps do not always seal well and using larger clamps means either re-positioning (re-welding) piping for WG's or grinding turbine housing. Some have also just swapped out WG's for something els, but it seems most are OK with stock WG's if they seal right.

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my friend is running the same kit and its been a year now with no problems with it at all and he's making good power with id's1000
Did he pick the 1000's due to power output or are they that much better than FMS 47's or 60's? (not just extra flow over smaller inj's, but consistancy between injector, etc...). I was considering FMS 60's, as I was shooting for 600 WHP tops, probably closer to 550 (due to auto trans, I assume lower ouput).

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$1k injectors, if you plan on running over 700rwhp. Upgrade turbos? Depends on how you want to set up your stang.

Obviously there are questionable parts being used. But if someone who has a budget and wants to save money, this is certainly an option.

If all you want is a 600 rwhp car:

On3 kit: $4k
47# injectors: $250
BAP: $250
Install yourself: 40-50 hours(average mechanical skills)
Total cost: $4500

Hellion: $8k...

Of course, if you want to go faster you'll have to make more adjustments and buy more parts. It all depends on what the person is looking for.
That was my understanding too, but is there a drawback to a smaller injector and a BAP? My thought was a slightly larger injector (60 vs 47) and either a BAP for backup only or no BAP.


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Also, why would you waste time spending $500 on a patch job fuel system when you could spend a little more and get quality parts on your car. I bet you're one of those dudes who pieces a car together and blames the tuner when it blows up. Two things on a boosted car you never skimp on and that's fuel and tuning. Also you don't build cars on a budget, if you can't afford to buy these "questionable parts" and either have the know how to install it yourself or tons of money for install/labor costs then you shouldn't even bother with it. That's speaking from years of experience... And I really could care less if anybody disagrees with it. I've owned four boosted coyotes( including a truck) now and every single one of them has made over 600hp at the wheels. The cheapest set up I've run which i rather liked was the beefcake special kit and I still had to buy the "questionable" ID1000 injectors. My favorite set up is my current which is a full return style FORE fuel system with ID1300s running E85 through a ported/polished VMP and a 79mm pulley.
Can you elaborate on why the 1000's are a minimum? These kits use 47's and/or BAP's. I am not trying to call you out, I want your honest opinion on why you think these kits below skimped badly on the fuel system? Epsecially the Rousch that provides complete kit and offers a warantee.

I kind of agree 47's are borderline and would run 60's if/when I did an On3 (for 550-600 WHP), but only because turbos don't typically eat 50-60 just making the power, so I feel their fuel requirements are somewhat less than the same WHP supercharger.

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Reviews? Only 3800 besides the injectors
Don't have one yet myself, but here is the info I have dug up so far.

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On Thu, 9/24/15, On 3 <on3performance@aol.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: coyote twin questions

You do not need the maf now with our upgraded charge pipe, I made
940 wheel the other night on the stock maf.

The bolts are 1.5pitch and if you would need 1.25, just need to
confirm when ordering.

You can see on our shop car, we keep the fog lights, its not a problem

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On Sep 24, 2015, at 11:10 AM, James Oxley wrote:

Couple questions

1. Do I need the MAF kit for 550 WHP on a 14 auto GT?
2. Are the manifold studs updated for the 13/14 heads?
Do I have to specify what year the kit is for?
3. Can I keep fog lights in upper grill on a 14 GT?

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On 3 Performance | Coyote Turbo Kit | Team Beefcake Racing

They are relatively local to On3, probably easier for them to get
parts if you are shortchanged or one was made incorrectly.
At the price on this kit, I expect one or the other, and am not overly concerned.

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"What is on3s tentative install time. That is a start, which is an estimate. Id say off hand depending on fitment, your looking at 15-20hrs minimum, which is about 1500-2000 for install. But dont quote me on that. We just want to be covered on our time. No surprises. You get charged for what we spent time wise, including making sure things are correct.

Tuning starts at 600 for turbo cars. Due to their nature they need more time for calibration and to ensure everything in the system is working (waste gates, controller etc) otherwise engine damage can happen very quickly."
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Good thread on injectors........

How much power with FRPP 47lb injectors?

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Anyone running the on3 twin turbo kit?

Okay I'm not going to go through and quote every single person individually and answer all this so I will do so in one post. I never said ID1000 are a minimum. I said that 47s are a patch job fuel system. Even with 47s and a BAP the car will run out of fuel near redline once you start getting around or over 600rwhp and you will have to start lowering that rev limiter. Obviously you are not going to shoot for the stars and try to make 1000hp if you are trying to budget build a boosted car, but it in the same breath I know that somebody who is budget building a car doesn't want to have to spend money now only to have to drop even more later when they could have gotten the right part to begin with. You are not going to outgrow a ID1000 unless you start getting pretty serious about making power in which case you will need to start worrying about fuel pumps because an electronic boost pump is not going to be able to crutch your stock pump to that output. Also, you won't be running that injector at 100% duty cycle every single day while forcing the maximum amount of fuel flow through it which is better for the life of the injector. I'm no expert but this is all my personal opinion. If you are dropping 4k you might as well spend another $750 on a used set of nice quality injectors. Also, if you are wanting to run e85 I would not recommend getting an injector that does not have stainless steel internals. That is why I run Id1300. They are made to run E85 and will not degrade or wear over time due to the harshness of E85 to stock fuel components.


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While I would never go 47's and forced induction, it's perfectly fine for only 600whp. If you never intend to build the motor they'll work just fine with a BAP. I highly recommend going with at least id1000's because we all know, very very few people will stop at 600.


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Found a dyno sheet from one of the original threads on this kit.

Setup is 2011 auto, stock converter, 47# inj, custom calibrated maf (which I don't think you need anymore), On3 60mm ceramic ball bearing turbos, On3 X, and custom tune.

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That is the on3 shop car. It makes 900 something now. With the same kit.


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