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Old 09-09-2015, 01:55 PM   #1
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BMR Watts link, thoughts?

So bored out of my mind I begin to look at all the parts I'll never have on my car and I stumble on this new product that LMR has. I didn't even know BMR was coming out with a Watts link. I've always wanted to convert my rear end to this set up and ditch the Panhard bar. What's every ones thoughts on this?
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Personally I really like the design. It doesn't mount the rearend cover is the one thing I really like.
It looks pretty heavy and will probably add substantial weight...unsprung....and will probably make underneath the car very busy....sway bar mounting, over the axle tail pipes..........would be interesting to see the installation instructions to see some real pictures.
Since your car sits very low I'd want to know how far it hangs down below the axle.
Setting up a watts linkage is and can be challenging with a lot of trial and error but once it is setup you will never want to go back.
All-in-all..............I like it.
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That's what I'm worried about. It says for cars lower then 1.5 will need to do a few things to make it work. What about cars that are lowered a good 3"? I'd love to see some one do a review on this or even just some photos of it on a car.


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Wow, I didn't realize your's was that low!
If you go to their site and look at the one for the Camaro at least you get an idea of what it looks like on a real car.
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Ok, that is low.
Here is the page with installation instructions and it doesn't look like it hangs much below the third member............

WL005 - Watts Link, Poly/rod End | 2005 - 2014 Mustang | Watts Link | BMR Suspension - High Performance Suspension & Chassis
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Hmm... It really doesn't look like it hangs down that low at all and being that it's right where the wheels are centered any ways it shouldn't be a problem. I'm just wondering about binding issues with the suspension being so close to the body and my 3" exhaust I have running through that area.


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BMR Watts link, thoughts?

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Only one way to find out................put it on!
I don't think you will have body interference issues and with the 3" over the axle there is some fudge room............maybe.
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So from a person on Facebook that I'm guessing works for BMR made a comment saying they're in the making of another system for a different type of watts link? Click image for larger version

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I'll be watching to see what they come up with.
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My 2 cents:
The main downside of a chassis mounted Watts link is that the rear roll center moves up and down with the body. Twice as much as with a panhard bar.
Additionally, there is much more bracketry and sprung weight.

The main downside of a diff mounted watts link is that there is more unsprung weight and some offer either no adjustment or limited adjustment in regard to roll center height.

Both have advantages and disadvantages, and both have been used successfully.
It's up to the user to decide which is more important to them.
It would be nice to see if BMR offers a choice.
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Supposedly they're in the process of making another system but are hung up on which design they wanna go with.


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Supposedly they're in the process of making another system but are hung up on which design they wanna go with.


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That was my point....hopefully the criteria I mentioned are the design considerations and not just variations on one type.
There are folks who will prefer one style over the other, but most won't know the difference or even how and why one is needed and/or adjusted.
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Whiteline has had a Watts link for the 05-14 cars out for like 2 years now. The BMR one was supposed to be released last November but I guess delays will always happen. Unsure what about the BMR one will be better/improved over the Whiteline one that is already proven to work very well.


http://www.americanmuscle.com/whitel...link-0510.html


I mean the BMR one looks like there is a LOT more **** involved in installing it but who knows.
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I have been waiting on the BMR watt link. Quite affordable, but the install does look extensive, and I don't know nearly enough about the two types or the adjustments, I just want to have better cornering!
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Just out curiosity, what about the BMR kit is supposed to be better than the whiteline?


Also a really good adjustable PHB is going to be pretty much as good as a Watt's, you just need to make sure you get the very longest one possible so the side to side movement is kept to a minimum. I know the PHB in one of the rearend kits I'm looking at for my 2000 has a stupid long PHB that keeps the axle movement to basically nil.
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I've been waiting & wondering myself, now I may back out and wait for reviews,Dang!
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Just out curiosity, what about the BMR kit is supposed to be better than the whiteline?


Also a really good adjustable PHB is going to be pretty much as good as a Watt's, you just need to make sure you get the very longest one possible so the side to side movement is kept to a minimum. I know the PHB in one of the rearend kits I'm looking at for my 2000 has a stupid long PHB that keeps the axle movement to basically nil.
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Yep, I'm looking at the 5 link for my car, VERY long PHB setup and revised attachment points to get rid of the triangulated setup of the 04-down cars. Better anti-squat than a TA/PHB, much better ground clearance than the TA/PHB, almost zero side to side movement of the axle and none of the roll center issues the watts link has. Either that or the IRS.


For the 05+ I can't see any real advantage to the watts over a really well done adj. PHB setup and a good set of control arms and relocation brackets.
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So Scotty you would recommend me not to go with a watts link considering I have every thing on the rear? I have everything from BMR already like the PHB, both upper and lowers, both sets of relocation brackets, both front and rear sway bar end links and 30 way adjustable shocks and struts. All of which are spherical bearings mounts for the rearend.


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I'd leave it and spend the $$$ elsewhere.

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