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Old 01-19-2016, 07:42 PM   #71
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I've used a lot of different oil filters in 50+ years and would not use any Fram filter....ever!.........IMHO
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I've seen one documented engine failure due to a fram orange death can and have heard claims from 2 or 3 others but never from the actual oil brand.

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I read this the other day and thought about the filter that I put on my son's 2002 Camry a couple of weeks ago when I was changing his oil - it was a Fram (orange can). Well, yesterday he calls me and lets me know that his car was smoking really bad, so he pulled it over and shut it down. Oil started pouring out of the thing. Come to find out, the gasket on the filter split around the circumference. If he hadn't had the sense to pull over and turn it off.... well, you know what would have happened. No more Fram...
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I read this the other day and thought about the filter that I put on my son's 2002 Camry a couple of weeks ago when I was changing his oil - it was a Fram (orange can). Well, yesterday he calls me and lets me know that his car was smoking really bad, so he pulled it over and shut it down. Oil started pouring out of the thing. Come to find out, the gasket on the filter split around the circumference. If he hadn't had the sense to pull over and turn it off.... well, you know what would have happened. No more Fram...
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I've used a lot of different oil filters in 50+ years and would not use any Fram filter....ever!.........IMHO
Crap! I've used the tough gaurd Fram on my focus since new (120k+ now). I like the grip end so I can put them on and take them off by hand. Use them on my '04 Explorer (119k bought at 60k). I get the feeling I've been rolling lucky dice?
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Crap! I've used the tough gaurd Fram on my focus since new (120k+ now). I like the grip end so I can put them on and take them off by hand. Use them on my '04 Explorer (119k bought at 60k). I get the feeling I've been rolling lucky dice?
That's the one that just failed on me. Orange with the black grip end.
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That one is called the "Orange can of death" for a reason.
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I read this the other day and thought about the filter that I put on my son's 2002 Camry a couple of weeks ago when I was changing his oil - it was a Fram (orange can). Well, yesterday he calls me and lets me know that his car was smoking really bad, so he pulled it over and shut it down. Oil started pouring out of the thing. Come to find out, the gasket on the filter split around the circumference. If he hadn't had the sense to pull over and turn it off.... well, you know what would have happened. No more Fram...

FRam is junk, I agree we need this to go viral. One of there "Tough Guards" cost me a ton of money.
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That one is called the "Orange can of death" for a reason.
First and last time using one.
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I actually have never heard of the rubber ring failing tho. Did you lubricate it with old oil before installing?

Generally the Orange cans of doom come apart internally if they fail. And their filter media is **** compared to a wix or purolator.

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Sounds like the old filters oil seal was left on and then the new one installed. That will cause a leak also.


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I actually have never heard of the rubber ring failing tho. Did you lubricate it with old oil before installing?
No, lubed with the new oil.
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Sounds like the old filters oil seal was left on and then the new one installed. That will cause a leak also.


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No, the old gasket was not left on. I know because I was showing him what to watch out for when taking and old filter off and putting a new one on.
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This last time I bought Pennzoil Platinum syn. Reviews look good on it.
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This last time I bought Pennzoil Platinum syn. Reviews look good on it.

Yes Penzoil Plat. and Ultra Especially the "EURO" 5w40. is really good. They have some real good real world test to back them up. Also the Quaker State Syn. Euro 5w40 is a good one as well. I would use them if i could not get the Casterol syn. Euro formula.
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Most of the off the shelf "fully synthetics" are not actually full synthetics. They get away with calling it that because of a labeling loophole. If you get Mobil 1 Extended performance that is a full synthetic as is RP and Amsoil.

All that being said, if you use a good brand and change on schedule and use a good filter you will be fine. Unless you are a legit racecar you do not need the $10/qt stuff and even then... Mobil 1 is $26 for 5 quarts at Wal Mart. Get that, pick up a Wix filter (Napa Gold) on the way home or just buy a Motorcraft filter at Wal Mart and you will be fine.

TBTH, the "what oil do I use" question is the most overthought question there is. All oils sold for use in gasoline engines have to meet a certain criteria. Yes some are better than others but no oil is going to blow up your motor unless you are the idiot that starts a cold engine and immediately peels out of the driveway/parking space.

The filter is the real kicker and to be blunt, if you use something like a Fram orange filter you could be using oil directly from Jesus' nipples and the guy using a Wix filter and Pennzoil dino oil would be better off.
Agree with all of this. I still change oil more than recommended on all my rigs (5K for full synth, 3K for reg oil), but like you said WM mob1 is $25 and MC oil filters are a couple bucks.

Only oil I wil not use anymore is Catrol non syth. Two of the womans daily drivers saw 150K ish in a 4 year period each. Both changed every 3K, driven mostly highway and extremely conservative. Both had a nasty orange film covering valvetrain (along with some sludge) and one had a serious valve tap when cold right before I sold it.

Anyway, I use exactly what manufacturer says until warantee is up. Enough stupid reasons to get warrantee denied on a sporty car ford assumes will be modded and/or driven very hard, don't need to give them more amo.
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Oil sludge

Sometimes if your car does not operate at say higher temptress the thicker viscosity in DINO or regular oil will thicken up and sludge. That's why I always recommend a synthetic oil for everyday drivers especially those that just cruise all the time in hi ways at around 1,209-1,800 rpm's.
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Agree with all of this. I still change oil more than recommended on all my rigs (5K for full synth, 3K for reg oil), but like you said WM mob1 is $25 and MC oil filters are a couple bucks.

Only oil I wil not use anymore is Catrol non syth. Two of the womans daily drivers saw 150K ish in a 4 year period each. Both changed every 3K, driven mostly highway and extremely conservative. Both had a nasty orange film covering valvetrain (along with some sludge) and one had a serious valve tap when cold right before I sold it.

Anyway, I use exactly what manufacturer says until warantee is up. Enough stupid reasons to get warrantee denied on a sporty car ford assumes will be modded and/or driven very hard, don't need to give them more amo.
Ford isn't denying any warranty work because someone uses 5W30 weight oil.

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Ford isn't denying any warranty work because someone uses 5W30 weight oil.

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Does any 5W-30 meet any of these specs?

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Ford isn't denying any warranty work because someone uses 5W30 weight oil!
They sure could if they wanted to.
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^^^^ I agree. Do I think they would find out = No, but whatever you don't use a different oil and let them know.
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^^^^ I agree. Do I think they would find out = No, but whatever you don't use a different oil and let them know.
Not sure how they would not find out. If you asked your dealer to change grade of oil, they have records. If you did it yourself, don't they want to see receipts which will show what oil you used?
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just another reason to use what Ford recommends.
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They sure could if they wanted to.
Anything could happen. Ford is gonna have to prove the 5W 30 weight caused the engine failure. Good luck with that. Perhaps someone could find any documented warranty denied claims by Ford because 5W30 weight oil was used instead of 5W20?

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just another reason to use what Ford recommends.
Ford recommends 5W20 for CAFE regulations, fuel economy. No other reason. Good luck if Ford can prove the cause of the engine failure was the fault of API 5W 30 weight oil. Would love to see any documented cases from Ford denying engine warranty work because 5W 30 weight was used.



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I doubt you'll find it, I also doubt it'll matter which weight you use.

Oil failures are extremely rare and I don't worry about it....however I use full syn 5-20 in mine and will continue to do so.
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I doubt you'll find it, I also doubt it'll matter which weight you use.

Oil failures are extremely rare and I don't worry about it....however I use full syn 5-20 in mine and will continue to do so.
Exactly sir. I doubt there are any documented cases because it just hasn't happened. If the 5.0 can run on 5W20 weight oil and 5W50 weight oil for trac PAC models then it will do just fine with 5W30 weight.

I say for those who want to use 5W20 weight rock out. Not me good sir! I won't take the chance of possibly shortening my engine life and will stick with 5W 30 weight. 5W30 weight will lubercate all those tight spec areas of the engine just as good as 20 weight and add a bit more protection.

The same exact tight spec Ford engines in Europe get 5W 30 weight which is recommended by Ford yet here in the US its 5W20 weight. Of course Europe doesn't have CAFE regulations. So same engine, same tight specs yet two different recommended weight oils. Hummmmmm!





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I have attached a link to an interesting read about oils....viscosity....types, etc.
As the article states, "There are only degrees of right and wrong......and the discussion could go on...and on....and on...IMHO

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Anything could happen. Ford is gonna have to prove the 5W 30 weight caused the engine failure. Good luck with that. Perhaps someone could find any documented warranty denied claims by Ford because 5W30 weight oil was used instead of 5W20?

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Where does the warantee say that? It says use any oil you want, as long as it meets one of these specs and the specs call out a specific oil weight. Perhaps someone could find documentation that ford will not void my warantee for using an oil that does not meet their required specification.
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Where does the warantee say that? It says use any oil you want, as long as it meets one of these specs and the specs call out a specific oil weight. Perhaps someone could find documentation that ford will not void my warantee for using an oil that does not meet their required specification.
For those who are concerned about warranty coverage, just use 5W20. Its all good. I personally wasn't concerned about warranty coverage over the oil weight.

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Anything could happen. Ford is gonna have to prove the 5W 30 weight caused the engine failure. Good luck with that.
Actually no, Ford doesn't have to prove anything. If you have an engine failure and they think it was from a different weight of oil they can just refuse to work on your car. Now it's up to YOU to prove them wrong.
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Actually no, Ford doesn't have to prove anything. If you have an engine failure and they think it was from a different weight of oil they can just refuse to work on your car. Now it's up to YOU to prove them wrong.
Any chance of you being able to locate any documented cases where Ford denied warranty coverage because of 5W 30 weight oil was the culprit? Also, is there any documentation that comes from Ford saying your warranty will or can be denied for using 5W30 weight.

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Any chance of you being able to locate any documented cases where Ford denied warranty coverage because of 5W 30 weight oil was the culprit? Also, is there any documentation that comes from Ford saying your warranty will or can be denied for using 5W30 weight.

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Ford strongly recommends the use of genuine Ford replacement parts.
Parts other than Ford, Motorcraft® or Ford-authorized remanufactured
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Ford Motor Company parts in performance and durability.
It is the owner’s responsibility to determine the equivalency of such parts.

As others have said, it is up to YOU to prove any replacement part
meets specification for warantee. I'd be fine with what you said
if you weren't so amendment with your statement "Ford isn't denying
any warranty work because someone uses 5W30 weight oil" when
they can if they want, according to the warantee contract.

You may be doing the unintiated on these boards a dis-service
if they have something fluky go wrong with their engine, used
an oil not to spec, and have a dick head dealer. Ford denies warantees
on all kinds of stuff for the dumbest reasons. Look at the problems
some have had just getting the LCD display replaced.

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And as many have said, if engine failure is so rare, what is the point of not
using ford spec'd oils, at least until warantee is done? You don't think 99%
of the vehicles out there at least run the specified oil weight from the manufacturer?
Seems hundreds of thousands run 150K or much more
without engine failure.

My 08 mazda6 (ford corp 2.3/auto) went 140K on 5W20 mob 1 syth
and due to it being underpowered (true 0-60 in the 10 second range)
with a superb chassis/brakes, the engine was run very hard.
Thats my only true data point and I could not run a 400 Hp V-8
anyhwere near as hard as often without running around constantly
at double or triple the speed limit.

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http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Fo.../14musom1e.pdf

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P 439

Ford strongly recommends the use of genuine Ford replacement parts.
Parts other than Ford, Motorcraft® or Ford-authorized remanufactured
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components affecting emission control must be equivalent to genuine
Ford Motor Company parts in performance and durability.
It is the owner’s responsibility to determine the equivalency of such parts.

As others have said, it is up to YOU to prove any replacement part
meets specification for warantee. I'd be fine with what you said
if you weren't so amendment with your statement "Ford isn't denying
any warranty work because someone uses 5W30 weight oil" when
they can if they want, according to the warantee contract.

You may be doing the unintiated on these boards a dis-service
if they have something fluky go wrong with their engine, used
an oil not to spec, and have a dick head dealer. Ford denies warantees
on all kinds of stuff for the dumbest reasons. Look at the problems
some have had just getting the LCD display replaced.

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And as many have said, if engine failure is so rare, what is the point of not
using ford spec'd oils, at least until warantee is done? You don't think 99%
of the vehicles out there at least run the specified oil weight from the manufacturer?
Seems hundreds of thousands run 150K or much more
without engine failure.

My 08 mazda6 (ford corp 2.3/auto) went 140K on 5W20 mob 1 syth
and due to it being underpowered (true 0-60 in the 10 second range)
with a superb chassis/brakes, the engine was run very hard.
Thats my only true data point and I could not run a 400 Hp V-8
anyhwere near as hard as often without running around constantly
at double or triple the speed limit.

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and read things I would not otherwise do to support my position.
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So really the true answer is not it will or will not but may void warranty work. It MAY void warranty work if Ford deems the oil weight (30 weight) responsible for the failure.

No different than someone modifying their car. Its not a will void but may void if Ford deems the failure is the cause of the modification. Any documentation on Ford denying warranty work because someone used 5W30 weight oil? I highly doubt it because it most likely hasn't happened.

With all that being said then I would strongly recommend people not change their own oil and filter during the warranty period because Ford may deny warranty work if your engine fails. Ford could easily deny warranty of the work because they don't know if you changed the oil and filter correctly correctly. Ford doesn't know if a third party outfit changed the oil and filter correctly. That being said only use the Ford dealerships to change the oil and filter during warranty periods, that way warranty work won't be denied.

Also, use Motorcraft oil and filters because its what Ford recommends and you wouldn't want Ford to deny warranty work because one used Amsoil oil or Amsoil filters. Use only Fords recommended oil brand and filters which are Motorcraft brand. After all, anything other than Motorcraft oil and Motorcraft filters are not the recommended lubricates so wannanty work may be denied for sure

Its not wrong to use 5W 20 weight oil and for those who want to use it, rock out. I personally would not use it and will take my chances with warranty coverage or lack their of to the engine and use 5W30 weight. After all my warranty was gone when I tuned my pony with 5k miles on her. 😉



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