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Old 04-14-2016, 07:00 PM   #1
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My father owns a 2014 CS and it's completely stock. My father has been talking to me about getting the Roush phase 2 kit supercharger. He would be driving out to Roush headquarters in Michigan and should he go through with this have them do the install.

He is not interested in any other SC kit and loves the way it looks on the car. I have read many people are not a fan of the Roush tune that comes with this kit. The phase 2 kit makes 625 HP. What don't you guys like about the Roush tune that comes with the kit and what tune should he go with. It's an automatic as well. I'm assuming that AED and Lund are the top picks and maybe even VMP

My father wonders how much more power Lund, VMP or AED would make on this kit over the 625 HP amd what benifit does it have over the Roush tune?

Also, would he need a bunch of suspension mods and if so, what exactly or could his stock suspension work fine. My father is almost 70 years of age and not drag racing.

I notice that for $500 more the phase 3 kit he could buy which makes 675 HP! Sounds like that the best deal being that for 500 dollars more you get 50 more HP. Would he need suspension work then that he would not need with the phase 2.

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You know best what you can handle locally but, the install is pretty easy for anyone with moderate mechanical skills.

Since your Dad is probably more interested in turn key, there is nothing wrong with doing it that way. I's gonna cost a **** ton but, it's drive in-drive out.

VMP and lund can pull easy 50+ over the Roush base kit tune, because it isn't chicken **** and 50 state legal.

Nice thing is with PD, the car feels supercharged, even when you aren't wailing on it so, they are better than centri for sure in that regard.
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You know best what you can handle locally but, the install is pretty easy for anyone with moderate mechanical skills.

Since your Dad is probably more interested in turn key, there is nothing wrong with doing it that way. I's gonna cost a **** ton but, it's drive in-drive out.

VMP and lund can pull easy 50+ over the Roush base kit tune, because it isn't chicken **** and 50 state legal.

Nice thing is with PD, the car feels supercharged, even when you aren't wailing on it so, they are better than centri for sure in that regard.
My father told me he spoke with Roush and its around $1100 for the install. Roush says its 10 hours to install the kit. So with an actual good tune that kit may make 675 HP with a Lund or AED tune. Instead of the tune from Roush at 625 HP.

Thanks sir. Is the Roush tune garbage. He has an automatic so will a Lund or AED tune give more aggressive shift points over the Roush tune?

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Also, what's PD?

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Thank you sir. What does positive displacement mean? Is that the type of SC it is?

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Yes. I believe those are the more "traditional" ones. The ones that replace the intake manifold and sit on top. But then again that could be way wrong.

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Yes. I believe those are the more "traditional" ones. The ones that replace the intake manifold and sit on top. But then again that could be way wrong.

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It does sit on top. My father likes the look of that. 👍

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Getting close to pulling the trigger on a VMP tune for mine plus pulley. Might PM Ros, on his thoughts of his new VMP tune. Your father would be better off getting a VMP blower.


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Positive displacement takes a fixed amount of air, traps it and crams it into the engine. Because of this it can make a lot of torque and power without high engine rpm.

Centrifugal blowers need engine rpm to make power, because they move air like a running river.

I expect drive ability and fun are key interests here and you might consider a dyno tune here from someone local that knows what they are doing. I doubt your dad is going to want to go through the road tune, datalog, send revision bull**** that you'll have to do with Vmp or lund. Great tune in the end but, dangerous in the data gathering.
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Positive displacement takes a fixed amount of air, traps it and crams it into the engine. Because of this it can make a lot of torque and power without high engine rpm.

Centrifugal blowers need engine rpm to make power, because they move air like a running river.

I expect drive ability and fun are key interests here and you might consider a dyno tune here from someone local that knows what they are doing. I doubt your dad is going to want to go through the road tune, datalog, send revision bull**** that you'll have to do with Vmp or lund. Great tune in the end but, dangerous in the data gathering.
A duno tune would be a great option. He lives in Missouri so I have no idea who are reputable tuners out there. He would have to do some research but you think a dyno tune is the way to go then!

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Get the VMP kit and go with a VMP tune. Justin has the tunes dialed in with these blowers.
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Get the VMP kit and go with a VMP tune. Justin has the tunes dialed in with these blowers.
Is the SC a Roush from Justin?

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No, it's an actual VMP supercharger. They do sell Roush also though:

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No, it's an actual VMP supercharger. They do sell Roush also though:

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It's a Roush blower with VMP making some changes to the actual blower.
Thanks sir. So in your opinion a VMP tune would be better than say AED? My father does have an automatic! Are you a fan of the Roush blower kit?

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Also, is it safe to say my fathers 3:15 gears will do just fine with that type of power. I only ask because my father was telling me that an authorized Roush dekership tech mentioned that with 675 HP he would really need to change gears to 3:73's. That didn't sound right to me being that Grabber Blue 5.0 and Rap say the fastest 5.0's run 3:31 gears. My father is not track racing so I'm going to assume his 3:15's will work just fine with a car making 625 HP

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Roush Supercharger Question

I changed mine from 3.73 to 3.31. The 3.15 will work fine


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Mine is a stage 1 roush with vmp 91 tune and I am very happy with it.


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Mine is a stage 1 roush with vmp 91 tune and I am very happy with it.


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My father looked at the stage one but felt what heck, I'm feeling like stage 2, 625 HP. Lol. He is looking for that real pin back in seat feeling and guessing that 525 torque compared to the 390 he should feel the torque pull him.

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Even the stage 1 is amazing! With a 91 tune it ran 11.4@123.8


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Thanks sir. So in your opinion a VMP tune would be better than say AED? My father does have an automatic! Are you a fan of the Roush blower kit?
One would think Justin from VMP could tune his very own kit/blower better than anyone. The Roush kit is fine as well.
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Also, is it safe to say my fathers 3:15 gears will do just fine with that type of power. I only ask because my father was telling me that an authorized Roush dekership tech mentioned that with 675 HP he would really need to change gears to 3:73's. That didn't sound right to me being that Grabber Blue 5.0 and Rap say the fastest 5.0's run 3:31 gears. My father is not track racing so I'm going to assume his 3:15's will work just fine with a car making 625 HP
So an authorized dealer said your fathers car would need more gear after installing a positive displacement blower? Oh boy, run for the hills. They don't have what's in your fathers best interest in mind.
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Tell your Dad to imagine his car with at least 100 more lb/ft of torque right off idle and then imagine what would happen with a 3.73 gear attached out back and road tires and pavement. If he's been into cool cars for a while, it's shouldn't be too hard to envision.
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Don't mess with the gears. Who tells someone they need lower gears when adding that much power/torque?

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The VMP kit has all Roush parts other then the housing and a few other nick nacks that just make it much better. Like a larger heat exchanger, plug and play wiring harness, and actually comes with a better intake then the enclosed box. For around the same price you get so much more. Don't get me wrong the Roush kit is awesome but for the same price why sell your self short and make so much less power?


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Also, is it safe to say my fathers 3:15 gears will do just fine with that type of power. I only ask because my father was telling me that an authorized Roush dekership tech mentioned that with 675 HP he would really need to change gears to 3:73's. That didn't sound right to me being that Grabber Blue 5.0 and Rap say the fastest 5.0's run 3:31 gears. My father is not track racing so I'm going to assume his 3:15's will work just fine with a car making 625 HP

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Yeah if they are telling you to up the gears in the car to those in an auto with a PD blower I'd look else where as they clearly don't know how these cars work. I'd be skeptical on their credibility on a performance stand point honestly.


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I never understood why roush puts 3.73 in their rs3 cars with stick. Mine was useless that way


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Yeah if they are telling you to up the gears in the car to those in an auto with a PD blower I'd look else where as they clearly don't know how these cars work. I'd be skeptical on their credibility on a performance stand point honestly.


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^ exactly.


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My father spent a lot of time this Friday talking with a rep from Roush out in their main headquarters. Sounds like my father would get the the stage 2 625 HP set up and see how he likes the Roush tune if he gets any blower. Roush admitted to my father their tune is more conservative than others but their blower and conservative tune is still making 625 HP. My guess is when he hits the gas and the boost kicks in it's going to be nothing that he felt like before. Most likely down the road if he wants some more power, he will go with VMP or AED for tuning.

Roush did highyly recommend Brenspeed tuning to my father if he wanted a more aggressive tune for their blower.

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I have the VMP PHASE III kit/tune on my 2012 STAGE 3 Roush. Justin from VMP has this pretty much down to a science so that I didn't need a dyno tune at all. Everything was shipped to my dealership where I had it installed. Tune came preloaded on an SCT4 tuner. Car is scary to drive now compared to how it was stock and will break loose the tires in fourth gear already going 55mph if you punch it. (10lbs of boost now ) I have never been in a Roush tuned car other than how mine came stock (Roush's stock PHASE I configuration), and the difference between the stock Rs3 and a VMP tune is VERY noticeable. You have to keep in mind that Roush tuning is pretty conservative compared to aftermarket tuning because they try to take into account their warranty coverage, or some dumbass putting 89 octane in the car (It still has to run without doing damage). I would check into maybe having a competent dealership install a VMP TVS kit on your dads car. With VMP you will get a handheld tuner with the tune loaded on it and have the ability to make additional modifications to the car an load a new tune yourself (free from VMP if you get the mod from them). With Roush, I believe any modifications to their tune require you to remove the ECM from your car and send it to them, so you are at the mercy of USPS and Roush as to when you can drive your car, and are limited in turnaround time between mods, not to mention paying ROUSH each time you need an ECM update (i.e., bigger TB, headers install,...etc.)
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How is the Brenspeed tune for the Roush blower and how is the quality of their install work. Their performance shop is located in Indiana.

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Quick update. Father booked his appointment at Roush in Michigan for install. Ordered the phase 2 blower kit from AM just a little while ago. 625 HP should be good to start with. Maybe VMP down the road for him. 👍

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Cool...I think in his situation, he'll probably be pretty happy, since it doesn't sound like a max-effort build is what he's looking for.
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