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Old 05-20-2016, 02:28 PM   #1
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Paxton vs jpc single turbo

Planning on boosting my car and I was pretty set on the Paxton until I can across the jpc single turbo kit. I daily drive my car and usually just 7min to work and 7min back most driving is in town but I am on the highway a decent amount of time. I travel back to my hometown frequently and that's an hour drive on the highway to get there. I realize twins would be better but they're a little out of my price range.. The single turbo kit looks to be around the same price as the Paxton. I don't track my car but I do get into it sometimes with other cars. What would be the pros and cons of each? Bang for buck and reliability? I don't know a ton about this subject just the basics so take it easy on me haha


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where are you seeing jpc single turbo at the same price as a paxton kit?

JPC tuner kit (needs separate injectors and tuning device) runs close the same a a full paxton kit, maybe that's what you're seeing.

go on google or youtube and see pros and cons of turbo systems vs centrifugal blowers. In a nutshell, turbo make more power because there are no parasitic losses but they are more expensive, more complex to install, more prone to heatsoak.

Centri blowers build power more steadily and less dramatically.
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Well it's $6k something for the kit and I already have a tuner so I would just need the injectors. Even if it's a little more but it's better that doesn't bother me I wasn't saying like the same exact price just around it. I know the basic stuff about turbos, superchargers, and centri superchargers but I was asking more specifically about our cars.. I've heard multiple things about Paxton's lacking torque and people having to get a torque booster so you can add that into the price of the Paxton kit too if you want. I've tried looking things up but I haven't found much about this kit compared to other things such as the Paxton. I found a guy talking about how he had a Paxton then switched to twins and said he would never go back to a Paxton because he had to be at high revs to get anything from it and the twins had power all through the curve and more peak power but like I said that's about a twin kit not the single.


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Basically I know how they work I was just wondering if anybody had any experience with this kit or something similar vs the Paxton kit. Which one would be the hardest on the engine, most reliable, best daily driver, not going to cost me a ton of money in the long run. I know these engines can handles over 600whp stock just fine but eventually something is going to go wrong so which kit will cause the most problems and money overall? Again if it's a few hundred more or whatever I don't really care. When you're already spending that much money a couple hundred for something better isn't a big deal to me


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Fast or slow that's what your asking for the most part.

So your answer is JPC


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Rap, you're being a little hard on the Paxton no?

How about fast or faster?
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OK now you guys have piqued my interest. Since this is a dual exhaust which side drives the turbo or do both sides.
Was thinking about a supercharger but now maybe a turbo, less power off the line with an auto and no converter but should scream once wound up.
Will the stock internals handle it?
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Rap, you're being a little hard on the Paxton no?

How about fast or faster?

We can go with the fast and faster route.


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The turbo has more capability but both will handily make enough to bust the stock rotating assembly into little pieces. Hard on the motor is both about the same because essentially a centri blower is a belt driven turbo.

I'd suggest you examine your skill set. Turbo installs are double the trouble because you have both a hot and a cold side of piping to run. NBD if you've been at this hobby since 1983 like I have and have access to a full battery of tools but, something to consider if you're paying someone to do the work. I can put a Pax kit on one of these cars in a decent day's work.

Frankly, if I was going SC, I wouldn't go centri on this car, I'd go PD, like TVS or Whipple...or even Edelbrock. I want a car that feels supercharged and centri don't play dat. It wants you to rev it out, NA style to make boost.
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The turbo has more capability but both will handily make enough to bust the stock rotating assembly into little pieces. Hard on the motor is both about the same because essentially a centri blower is a belt driven turbo.

I'd suggest you examine your skill set. Turbo installs are double the trouble because you have both a hot and a cold side of piping to run. NBD if you've been at this hobby since 1983 like I have and have access to a full battery of tools but, something to consider if you're paying someone to do the work. I can put a Pax kit on one of these cars in a decent day's work.

Frankly, if I was going SC, I wouldn't go centri on this car, I'd go PD, like TVS or Whipple...or even Edelbrock. I want a car that feels supercharged and centri don't play dat. It wants you to rev it out, NA style to make boost.

So basically the turbo has harder install with more capability and putting about the same amount of wear on the engine as the Paxton? What would you recommend doing to the engine for the turbo or Paxton just for peace of mind not necessarily building the whole thing? With a little work to the engine you should be able to turn the boost up a little and still be safe correct?


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Oil pump gears and, well, a forged bottom end come to mind but, this is really if your goals exceed 600 wheel. When I did centri on my last car, I kept it under that for that reason.
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Unless you are an expert mechanic and will be doing all of the install + future maintenance yourself or with your team, go with the Paxton. There's a lot less potential issues surrounding the entire application.
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Unless you are an expert mechanic and will be doing all of the install + future maintenance yourself or with your team, go with the Paxton. There's a lot less potential issues surrounding the entire application.

Is a single turbo set up really that much more involved that you need to be an expert mechanic or have a buddy that is to run one compared to the Paxton set up? Part of the reason I was thinking the single turbo is its less parts than the twin turbo obviously and one less turbo so less things to break and less moving parts so I figured it would be less involved than the twin kits plus it's cheaper and I think one 76mm turbo would be plenty for what I want haha


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You will find hot side piping much more challenging with a single turbo. Clearance for the k member, steering rack and sway bar cabe close. Twins run like two four bangers with a common crankshaft so it's much simpler. Plus, twins give you the mega torque of a tvs setup with the high rpm power of a turbo. This is bc you can run a pretty tight a/r on the turbine side, bc it's feeding off four cylinders not eight.
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Is a single turbo set up really that much more involved that you need to be an expert mechanic or have a buddy that is to run one compared to the Paxton set up? Part of the reason I was thinking the single turbo is its less parts than the twin turbo obviously and one less turbo so less things to break and less moving parts so I figured it would be less involved than the twin kits plus it's cheaper and I think one 76mm turbo would be plenty for what I want haha


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Do some research on turbo installations and maintenance. Then do the same research on centrifugal superchargers. You'll see that one is a much more simple application than the other.
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Is a single turbo set up really that much more involved that you need to be an expert mechanic or have a buddy that is to run one compared to the Paxton set up?

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Yes. I personally prefer a turbo to SC, but if you just want to set it and forget it get the paxton.

Turbo has oil lines, both feed and drain: Potential leaks.
Turbo has vacuum lines to the wastegate and/or a boost controller: lines that slip off, crack, or otherwise fail lead to overboost conditions.
turbo has a wastegate: If that fails open you make pretty much no boost, fails closed you make all the boost and pop a motor.


There's more and less of each, but basically yes, the turbo is much more involving.
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You will find hot side piping much more challenging with a single turbo. Clearance for the k member, steering rack and sway bar cabe close. Twins run like two four bangers with a common crankshaft so it's much simpler. Plus, twins give you the mega torque of a tvs setup with the high rpm power of a turbo. This is bc you can run a pretty tight a/r on the turbine side, bc it's feeding off four cylinders not eight.

Hot side on the JPC kit is far from complicated


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You also have to send Comp turbos in every so often to get serviced and re oiled, so that needs to be taken into account as well.
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Thanks for the info guys.. Turbo seems to be better but honestly more than I would like to deal with haha. Also valid points on the Paxton and having to rev it out.. Whipple is definitely more expensive than a Paxton but that would solve the torque issue and also have that nice whine. What do you guys think of a whipple compared to a Paxton? Worth the extra money? Way more involved or no?


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I always like torque more than horse power so for my opinion, whipple. It just works better with my driving style. I tend to be a short shifter. And for street driving it's nice to have that torque, makes it fun.


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Why not just have a nice 11 second car NA and install a cheaper nitrous kit when you want to go even faster?
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I cant say about the Turbo but I have the Paxton for about 6 months now and I drive the car every day everywhere. I LOVE it. I am at about 620rwhp and could squeeze more. just tryin g to be moderately safe with my DD. The Paxton is good for over 1,000 but not on stock block. Less parts, easier/cheaper install that Turbo. I did get my Tremec swap T56 from them though. Great to deal with
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Another option is the VMP blower.
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I always like torque more than horse power so for my opinion, whipple. It just works better with my driving style. I tend to be a short shifter. And for street driving it's nice to have that torque, makes it fun.


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Yeah I have 3.73 gears and I don't rev it out much at all unless I'm racing. Just driving around I almost always shift before 3k


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Why not just have a nice 11 second car NA and install a cheaper nitrous kit when you want to go even faster?

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I cant say about the Turbo but I have the Paxton for about 6 months now and I drive the car every day everywhere. I LOVE it. I am at about 620rwhp and could squeeze more. just tryin g to be moderately safe with my DD. The Paxton is good for over 1,000 but not on stock block. Less parts, easier/cheaper install that Turbo. I did get my Tremec swap T56 from them though. Great to deal with

No problems with it so far? What other mods do you have? I was set on a Paxton and about the same whp you have but I just started looking at other options and was just wondering about people's opinions that know more than me haha


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Paxton vs jpc single turbo

A turbo setup will not be as parasitic to the engine as a supercharger setup.

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That's why I was considering it but from this thread it seems like it would be a pain in the *** to install and maintain. Just seems more involved than I really want to deal with


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No problems with it so far? What other mods do you have? I was set on a Paxton and about the same whp you have but I just started looking at other options and was just wondering about people's opinions that know more than me haha


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Nothing at all. Been completely great. I change the lubricant every 5,000 miles. I have driven it hard as hell. Love it. I will say that i have the extra loud BOV... quite a whistle. listen to it before getting that option lol. Me and kids love it. Girlfriend and neighbor says it sounds like a jet airplane. As for performance mods I have the Beefcake racing kit so it came with ID1000 injectors and Brisk plugs, loud BOV, JMS boost a pump, JLT intake. I also have the Boss IM, JLT oil seperator. Pypes Headers, H pipe, and Pype bombs. Many susupension and driveline mods too. Most all in signature lines. Beefcake came with a Lund tune
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Nothing at all. Been completely great. I change the lubricant every 5,000 miles. I have driven it hard as hell. Love it. I will say that i have the extra loud BOV... quite a whistle. listen to it before getting that option lol. Me and kids love it. Girlfriend and neighbor says it sounds like a jet airplane. As for performance mods I have the Beefcake racing kit so it came with ID1000 injectors and Brisk plugs, loud BOV, JMS boost a pump, JLT intake. I also have the Boss IM, JLT oil seperator. Pypes Headers, H pipe, and Pype bombs. Many susupension and driveline mods too. Most all in signature lines. Beefcake came with a Lund tune

Awesome that's sounds like what I had originally planned on if you're talking about the beefcake special. I have adjustable shocks and struts as well as adjustable panhard bar with springs but I still need to get uca's and lca's. What driveline mods have you done? I'm assuming I would need a new clutch with the extra power and I'm also planning on getting the aluminum driveshaft. I have roush ab and I'm ordering the bbr off road x pipe to go with it so I'm not sure on headers yet I'll have to see how loud it is with the x pipe. I don't mind loud I just don't want wake the dead loud haha. Plus it seems like lots of money for the gains you get with headers


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Awesome that's sounds like what I had originally planned on if you're talking about the beefcake special. I have adjustable shocks and struts as well as adjustable panhard bar with springs but I still need to get uca's and lca's. What driveline mods have you done? I'm assuming I would need a new clutch with the extra power and I'm also planning on getting the aluminum driveshaft. I have roush ab and I'm ordering the bbr off road x pipe to go with it so I'm not sure on headers yet I'll have to see how loud it is with the x pipe. I don't mind loud I just don't want wake the dead loud haha. Plus it seems like lots of money for the gains you get with headers


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Honestly I didn't notice squat from the headers. I only did with the thought being easier flow out better when supercharged. I love the sound of the H but thats just preference. As for the offroad it is LOUD. My AB are muffler deletes so yours will be a little quieter I think but higher pitched because of X pipe. Honestly the headers dont really make it that much louder. I did get a gauge pillar for oil pressure and boost gauge. Driveline I have the Tremec T56 magnum transmission, Aluminum 1 pc driveshaft and McLeod RSX twin disc clutch with lightened steel flywheel. I did the clutch line upgrade as well (all that in one package from JPC) I also got the MGW short shifter for it. LOVE the set up. I have a video from the other day on Instagram if you have that.

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Nothing at all. Been completely great. I change the lubricant every 5,000 miles. I have driven it hard as hell. Love it. I will say that i have the extra loud BOV... quite a whistle. listen to it before getting that option lol. Me and kids love it. Girlfriend and neighbor says it sounds like a jet airplane. As for performance mods I have the Beefcake racing kit so it came with ID1000 injectors and Brisk plugs, loud BOV, JMS boost a pump, JLT intake. I also have the Boss IM, JLT oil seperator. Pypes Headers, H pipe, and Pype bombs. Many susupension and driveline mods too. Most all in signature lines. Beefcake came with a Lund tune

I opted for the race BOV as well and cannot wait to hear it lol. YouTube and other misc. videos don't do it any justice whatsoever I can tell....


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Honestly I didn't notice squat from the headers. I only did with the thought being easier flow out better when supercharged. I love the sound of the H but thats just preference. As for the offroad it is LOUD. My AB are muffler deletes so yours will be a little quieter I think but higher pitched because of X pipe. Honestly the headers dont really make it that much louder. I did get a gauge pillar for oil pressure and boost gauge. Driveline I have the Tremec T56 magnum transmission, Aluminum 1 pc driveshaft and McLeod RSX twin disc clutch with lightened steel flywheel. I did the clutch line upgrade as well (all that in one package from JPC) I also got the MGW short shifter for it. LOVE the set up. I have a video from the other day on Instagram if you have that.



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Yeah that's the only reason I would have gotten them but you pretty much just confirmed there isn't much difference but I thought there would be a big difference in how loud it is. Dang dude I plan on getting everything you listed except I might just see how well the stock transmission holds up even though I know that's the weak point in these cars. I'm taking summer classes this year or I would go I would love to see your car. What's your Instagram name?


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Superchargers and turbos cook cat pipes on this car....seen it more than once...so headers aren't a bad idea for this car....
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Superchargers and turbos cook cat pipes on this car....seen it more than once...so headers aren't a bad idea for this car....

Wouldn't getting rid of the cats with an off road x pipe solve that?


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Turbo all things. I have a oilless 82mm comp turbo. No oil lines only coolant lines. Turbos generally do require more maintenance but that's the price you pay to make more power.
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