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Old 07-18-2016, 09:09 PM   #1
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aed vs vmp

i have a 2014 gt/cs automatic. mods are boss 302 manifold steeda cai and full exhaust. who would be the best tuner for the car. as of now it has a vmp and I love it just trying to get other opinions.
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VMP has the auto down; you already have first class tuner.
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Still on the stock converter? Neither will be able to tune around your poor choice of parts. Boss Intake and stock converter are a mismatch.
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A few tuners have the auto down. I had vmp, but Lund is better via logs and track times. Have had 5 different tuners tunes on this car for comparison btw... AED, Lund, Roush, Bjonne's are all very well respected coyote tuners. I have cj intake car with stock converter. No complaints here. Not a full time drag car. Good luck.
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It's always hard choosing tuners


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It's hard bc there is no one size fits all. One tune may suit a car better than the other, just bc it is good for that individual car and the circumstances in which it operates. That's what datalogging and revisions are for, of course but, in most cases, things'll be fairly close to right w/o a ton left on the table, unless you are FI.

I do like how my VMP auto tune feels and drives. I wish it turned a couple more mph at the track, so I could say it mph as well as my old stick car did. n/a my auto maxes out thus far at around 113 trap. My stick car on the Procal tune maxed at 115, on a good air day. If another tune would close the gap, I'd do that. Problem is, no guarantees.
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I chose VMP as they are local to me, and i've seen their work. Justin, joe and crew are very professional.
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Well my buddy has the same exact setup with a different cold air intake and he has a Lund tune and my car outruns him every time doesn't matter what speed we start at. So I'm satisfied with the vmp just wondering what y'all thought about aed
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My car logged and gettin ready for aed tuning with long tubes h pipe jlt intake and maybe a boss manifold so we'll see what the hype is about here soon


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VMP has the auto down; you already have first class tuner.

Why is that?


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Still on the stock converter? Neither will be able to tune around your poor choice of parts. Boss Intake and stock converter are a mismatch.

Sorry wrong quote lol I meant to ask you "why is that?"


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VMP has tons of experience with the auto. To most tuners, the engine is the focus. Auto shifting character takes second place, if a place at all. However, you can make changes here that really make a huge difference. Shift line pressure, shift rpm, shift speed, etc.

The stock converter stalls at around 1800 rpm. There is nothing going on with the factory long runner manifold at that rpm. The Boss has shorter runners and less low rpm torque than the stock manifold. The answer is more converter stall speed, with either manifold.
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Neither.

Find a local tuner, IMO.

I have yet to be sold on email tunes from anyone.
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Neither.

Find a local tuner, IMO.

I have yet to be sold on email tunes from anyone.
Called Data logging!

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I data logged for Lund on three separate occasions, and every time it appears as the vehicle is RUNNING good, and that was never my complaint, it ran and shifted fine, it just wasn't producing horsepower. After three sessions on the Dyno also, I was fed up with the answers I was getting and decided to fork over ANOTHER 200 for a tune from VMP. It runs great, but again so did Lund. We will have to do a data log and yet another Dyno session to really see...FML


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What kind of power are you looking for, what are your mods and whatnot it make as it sits?
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I ran it on the Dyno after installing just a JLT intake and made 382...installed the boss manifold and pypes axle backs (no gain there I know) and retuned with Lund and made 366.. A loss of almost 20. I then replaced my JLT filter which was dirty as hell and in dire need of replacement and fixed an exhaust rattle I had on my over axle section of exhaust (which Lund and I were thinking was causing false knock) and made MOST of it back but still a loss of 4hp at 378. From everything I have read a 2011 GT automatic with JLT intake, boss manifold, tune and axle back exhaust setups (still with factory cats) have been making 403-405. I'm looking for the magic 400...


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Called Data logging!

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A local tuner data logs.

Here is my issue.I have yet to have a good service experience with email tunes. From Mid-Atlantic Performance or VMP. Are they good tuners? A lot of people say so, especially for VMP. I don't doubt that. If I was local to them, I would give them another try.

My issue with email tunes is even with headache of datalogging, if you run into problems you have to either 1) do your own troubleshooting if you like to wrench, 2) go back to the shop who installed your FI of choice and guide them based on the feedback from the tuner, 3) rinse and repeat.

I much rather spend my time with a shop that does install and tune at the same time. It's far less of a headache and potentially less $$$ spent for a one stop shop.

If I had an LS based vehicle, I know exactly where I would go locally. There are a couple of places that know the Mustang here and they are a little far away, but it's worth it IMO.
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I ran it on the Dyno after installing just a JLT intake and made 382...installed the boss manifold and pypes axle backs (no gain there I know) and retuned with Lund and made 366.. A loss of almost 20. I then replaced my JLT filter which was dirty as hell and in dire need of replacement and fixed an exhaust rattle I had on my over axle section of exhaust (which Lund and I were thinking was causing false knock) and made MOST of it back but still a loss of 4hp at 378. From everything I have read a 2011 GT automatic with JLT intake, boss manifold, tune and axle back exhaust setups (still with factory cats) have been making 403-405. I'm looking for the magic 400...


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I don't really trust numbers based on given mods. I am sure there is a "typical" with tolerance. But I am sure there is enough variance with temperature, humidity, elevation, gasoline, mechanical issues (small to large), phase of the moon, the mood of your wife, that will hinder a bullseye number.

I had hopes of 600+ and I am finally there. It took several months of troubleshooting with datalogs and I gave up and went local. $600 and a full day of tuning blessed me with 605- 615 RWPH on a Mustang Dyno depending on the run. In Phoenix heat.
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