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Old 07-22-2016, 02:00 PM   #1
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Front wheels spinning when jacked up

im changing my brake pads on my car, I did the rears with no problem. Just went to do the fronts and my wheels are free spinning, I've tried with my e brake on and off, is this normal or could it be a seized piston?
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What? The ebrake isn't connected to the front wheels. Sometimes they move a bit due to wheel balance but it sure ain't a seized piston or it wouldn't move.
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Your front wheels will be able to spin freely if they are off the ground. Not sure why you would think this is an issue.

Using an ebrake only locks the rear wheels.

You should always break the lugs loose while the vehicle is on the ground.

Having an automatic in park or a manual transmission in gear and having the drive wheels off the ground isn't a smart move if you are using the transmission to stop the wheels from turning while trying to break the lugs loose. All that force is going straight to your transmission and that is bad.
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I'm scared you are working on a safety system like brakes but seem to have so little understanding of how a car works.
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I was just wondering because as I'm trying to remove the lug nuts it's a pain in the *** because the tire is spinning. Was just wondering if this is normal.
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I guess just loosen the lugs nuts with the car not jacked up then?
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Of course its normal. The brakes shouldn't be dragging while the car is moving and they aren't applied, right?

..and yes, bust em loose on the ground.
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Are you joking, or are you serious?
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Right, I guess what I should've posted was whether or not loosening the lug nuts on the ground is what most people do, or if they just have someone apply the brakes.
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Are you joking, or are you serious?
One can hope, but I'm pretty sure this one is serious, and seriously confused.

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Got it thanks.
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and by loosen we are talking 1/2 turn...just break them loose (do same for back next time)
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People are so harsh lol Bro loosen them while the car is on the ground but do not take them off, then put the car up and take the nuts off and then the tire. Same goes for putting the tire back on, tighten when the car is on the ground. Just because the rears worked the way u did it, don't do that again you might break something. Just a heads up, really research everything before you do it so you don't mess it up, even the easy stuff like removing tires, where to place the jack etc.
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I thought this was a joke at first too Remember fellas, we all had to learn this stuff at some point also....
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I don't, it was probably near on to 35 years ago. What's missing these days, among many smartphone addicted, are what I call "grandfather skills". There was a basic mechanical competency many more people possessed. They could change a tire, fix a toilet, change a stove element, get a lawnmower started, etc.

If the apocalypse happens tomorrow, the survivors are ****ed, because no one can do anything anymore.
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I don't, it was probably near on to 35 years ago. What's missing these days, among many smartphone addicted, are what I call "grandfather skills". There was a basic mechanical competency many more people possessed. They could change a tire, fix a toilet, change a stove element, get a lawnmower started, etc.

If the apocalypse happens tomorrow, the survivors are ****ed, because no one-man do anything anymore.
I notice the same thing.

It gives one hope that there are still people like BlackCoyote who are not afraid to jump in and learn to do their own automobile maintenance. And is not afraid to ask questions along the way.
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I don't, it was probably near on to 35 years ago. What's missing these days, among many smartphone addicted, are what I call "grandfather skills". There was a basic mechanical competency many more people possessed. They could change a tire, fix a toilet, change a stove element, get a lawnmower started, etc.

If the apocalypse happens tomorrow, the survivors are ****ed, because no one-man do anything anymore.
I am quite competent and capable in sustaining myself. The only worry I would have in a world disaster is disease and other people.

Then again, I grew up hunting, camping, fishing, etc. Most of the men in my family are also Marines.

I didn't grow up in the "smart phone" society though. I remember when the internet was first introduced. I remember dial up. I had once of the first bag phones, and then a phone actually mounted in my car.

I stayed in this magical place called "outside" with my friends. We rode bikes and skateboards. We did freestyle and built our own ramps. A visit to the ER meant we were dying.

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I notice the same thing.

It gives one hope that there are still people like BlackCoyote who are not afraid to jump in and learn to do their own automobile maintenance. And is not afraid to ask questions along the way.
Stray, I have to agree with you. Everyone starts somewhere.

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The internet can be the great bastion of misinformation, but it is also the collection of millions of folks knowledge.

Blackcoyote....I think it's great you are learning to do things yourself. With that said, you really should do two things.

1. Go to a parts store and buy a Chilton's manual for your car. It will be one of the best purchases you make. I have either a Chilton's manual or Helm CD for all my vehicles (and I bet the majority of the other guys on this site do also).

2. Before you start a project, with manual in hand, search YouTube for a vid of the car project you are about to start. You are working on things that are very serious (brakes). Its not that you can't do it, but you want to ensure that you are doing it correctly.
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We rode bikes and skateboards. We did freestyle and built our own ramps. A visit to the ER meant we were dying.
Hahahaha....I got a broken right clavicle from BMX freestylin. Man those were the days. Nothing to do but hang out with the guy's eating junk food and riding bikes. Not a care in the world....until someone got hurt... Hahahaha. Thanks for brining me back. Awesome memories.
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Hahahaha....I got a broken right clavicle from BMX freestylin. Man those were the days. Nothing to do but hang out with the guy's eating junk food and riding bikes. Not a care in the world....until someone got hurt... Hahahaha. Thanks for brining me back. Awesome memories.
No cares, no videos, and no pictures. What happened with the guys, stayed with the guys.

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Building tree forts out of stolen real estate signs, tramping through the woods pretending it was Middle Earth, sunshine and stupidity....memories.
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Building tree forts out of stolen real estate signs, tramping through the woods pretending it was Middle Earth, sunshine and stupidity....memories.
.....and a collection of the battery powered construction zone warning lights.

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....and shopping trolleys from the local Safeway....
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I can't say I ever had a need for a shopping cart.

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What? You didn't try to ride them down the steepest local hill, Jackass-style? You missed out man! I can hear the sound of crashing chrome steel in my mind to this day.
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What? You didn't try to ride them down the steepest local hill, Jackass-style? You missed out man! I can hear the sound of crashing chrome steel in my mind to this day.
Great, now I need to go get a cart and try to find what I missed.

4Wheelers, a ski rope, and a wake board was our thing. All we needed was a little bit of water.

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Stealing baby coach wheels for our go carts....back from the days when Bill Cosby was still just a funny guy.
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We have officially hijacked this thread. It is now ours. Yes, we are bullies. NOW GIVE ME YOUR LUNCH MONEY!

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I would replace the brake fluid too while you are replacing the brakes/rotors. But that's just me...
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For the car's sake please don't try changing the brake fluid by yourself. You'll have the lines full of air & you might kill someone.
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I recommend this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Shop-Class-So.../dp/1594202230

or, the Wisdom of the Hands, an essay by Doug Stowe

as inspiration to all who understand the value of hands-on work.

I spent most of the last 15 years teaching shop classes and ended that journey teaching automotive and woodworking to alternate ed kids. I really do miss the work and the kids from time to time. Of late, I've been struck down with severe inflammatory arthritis and, for the first time in my life, I can't do these things I love so much. I struggle with this mightily as something that has defined my life for over 35 years is gone, for who knows how long, maybe forever.

While my drag bike sits, I'm still making my way to the track with my car and shooting loads of nitrous through it so, all is not lost but, anyone who's out there doing their own work, I commend you. Be safe, learn before you touch things but, I congratulate you on taking a risk few seem willing to these days.
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