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Old 01-06-2018, 03:12 PM   #71
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How does your VVT compare to the logs posted above? I wonder if they have your VVT wrong because they think you have a Boss intake or something? Granted, 3* is a decent bit of knock, and 5-7 whp is not uncommon per degree (that's obviously a very broad generalization).
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Hey VW - how would I check my VVT compared to the log, like you’re wondering about?
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You can check what the values are in 500 rpm intervals. Like what is your intake and exhaust cam value (and load) at 3000, 3500, 4000 etc... and compare them to Zombieslayers datalogs i posted above.
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You can check what the values are in 500 rpm intervals. Like what is your intake and exhaust cam value (and load) at 3000, 3500, 4000 etc... and compare them to Zombieslayers datalogs i posted above.


Should I do that with my stock tune, or the BAMA?
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Both i suppose, and you can compare to Zombie's BAMA tune.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:20 AM   #76
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Well, here's what I found at various RPMS:
(VVT and AFR averaged between bank 1 and 2)
(AFR measured from Lambse bank 1 and 2, displayed in lambda)

3500
Knock: 0.85
Load: 0.67
AFR: 0.85
VVT in: -46.25
VVT out: 13.56

4000
Knock: 0
Load: 0.8
AFR: 0.85
VVT in: -46.18
VVT out: 11.88

4500
Knock: 2.0
Load: 0.86
AFR: 0.85
VVT in: -44.10
VVT out: 10.19


5000
Knock: 3.0
Load: 0.85
AFR: 0.85
VVT in: -35.43
VVT out: 9.54

5500
Knock: 2.75
Load: 0.85
AFR: 0.85
VVT in: -24.75
VVT out: 9.07

6000
Knock: 2.5
Load: 0.81
AFR: 0.83
VVT in: -18.5
VVT out: 9.38

6500
Knock: 2.25
Load: 0.79
AFR: 0.83
VVT in: -14.00
VVT out: 10.07

7000
Knock: 1.75
Load: 0.73
AFR: 0.83
VVT in: -13.25
VVT out: 9.07

7200
Knock: 1.75
Load: 0.72
AFR: 0.83
VVT in: -13.75
VVT out: 8.44


I really don't know how to interpret the cam timing stuff.
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In and of itself it wouldnt mean much, you would want to compare to other people's tunes with similar mods. Thats some decent knock though, how many revisions?
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First revision, BAMA hasn't seen that log yet.
As far as mods, mines 100% stock.
But yeah, 3 degrees. That's fairly intense.
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Sure man, post it up, all data is good data.



Sorry, i meant from your car on that dyno. Every dyno will read differently, so if you baselined at like 320 whp and then ended up at 380 you still gained 60 whp you know regardless of the fact that the number seems too low.
No unfortunately I did not have a baseline from that dyno. I haven't redyno'd it since to see if it was just that dyno. But I agree, numbers should be higher. Going for a different tune and then redyno it.
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:05 PM   #80
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Disappointed with BAMA Tunes

Unfortunately, I think it’s time to move on from BAMA.

Their service actually turned out to pretty good after all. After the initial lag time and slow responses around the holidays, on the rest of my communications with them they responded within twelve hours.

However, I am now on the second revision of their race V2 tune. Same problems as before. Under 5700 RPM, there’s a solid 23-26 RWHP AND 28-30 TQ. But, just like before, on the initial tune and on the first revision, at 5700 RPM the power and torque curves flatten out and lose power compared to stock.

I think I’ll just have my local shop dyno tune it for me.
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I'd recommend AED personally, probably cheaper than a dyno tune as well, but i still encourage you to do your own research on different tuners.
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Well, I contacted Shaun with AED today, and will do baseline datalogs tomorrow. I also learned from Shaun that on the Race tunes, BAMA messes with knock sensors.

BAMA has been nothing but BAD so far...after my latest run of dyno logs, with 2 stock and 2 Race, showing NO difference between the two, they simply disappeared. I emailed them the graph, and didn't get a response today. Here's the graph, with color code at bottom.



Screw them....they must think I'm an idiot to put up with this.
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That's ridiculous ... makes you wonder what in the world they actually did to try to justify charging you.
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To be fair, it’s a different dyno shop, my regular one is closed for a couple weeks for repairs.
But still, the curves are EXACTLY the same.


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Bama is dog**** as a remote tuner? Whoda thunk it lol. Sucks that so many ppl don't find this out until later. My tuner also mentioned to me how many cars he has to re-tune that had AM tunes on them.

AED will do you right. Just be prepared for a lot more back and forth and like 8-10 tune revisions if they are OCD about getting everything SPOT ON like my tuner was.
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Nearly end of business day.
Still no response from BAMA .......


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I'd be floored if they honestly even try. Even if they come in and try to make it right, they basically have to admit they screwed up from the beginning and will have to hold a tuner accountable. That wont happen.
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I went with a "Custom Tune" at "Mustang Specialties" in Pompano, FL.
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I went with a "Custom Tune" at "Mustang Specialties" in Pompano, FL.
...but Steeda is right there. 😁

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Yes, I know. It's right around the Corner. I have a friend that has A Steeda Work up done to his Stang. His is a 98 GT, but I had Recommendations for Mustang Specialties and I was not interested in a Steeda Tune. Incidentally, my Stang has a few Steeda Parts on it. My Intake is a Steeda Intake "Carbon Fiber High Flow Elbow", My 1 piece Aluminum Drive Shaft is from Steeda even though it's a FRPP part.
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Disappointed with BAMA Tunes

I think the Dyno Shop is playing tricks on me, to get me to buy an in house tune from them.

Stock on their dyno showed 364 HP, 312 TQ.

BAMA, revisions 1,2 and 3 showed 351, 350, and 352 HP and 330, 327, 332 TQ, with power dropping off at 5800 RPM.

Interestingly, my AED tune, which had cleaner datalogs than BAMA (no knock, higher timing) showed 353 HP and 322 TQ with power drop off at - you guessed it - 5800 RPM. Same numbers as the BAMA tunes, no gains over stock, and drop off at 5800 again. 🤨🧐

I think they are doing something during the pulls to fudge the numbers in their favor. Like not giving it enough throttle, or otherwise playing with the graphs. Just seems highly suspicious to me that four different tunes (from 2 companies) would show the same numbers and the same pattern of drop off at 5800. Especially when almost everyone I’ve read/talked to says they’ve gained HP with AED compared to stock.

Just feels like something fishy is going on....


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What do you guys think of this run? made back in 2014 stock 2013 5.0Click image for larger version

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What do you guys think of this run? made back in 2014 stock 2013 5.0Attachment 252953
Clearly not stock.
Look at the RPMs.
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I thought my engine was going to blow on those 2 runs that were done. I seen many 5.0s start declining at 6700-6900 RPMs.

Both runs were pretty consistent. The only alteration to the environment were 3 fans to the radiator. Every dyno is different so I do believe data is not 100% accurate but I think those are pretty "OK' numbers for a bone stock car.

Tuned up by BAMA by the way.
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I thought my engine was going to blow on those 2 runs that were done. I seen many 5.0s start declining at 6700-6900 RPMs.

Both runs were pretty consistent. The only alteration to the environment were 3 fans to the radiator. Every dyno is different so I do believe data is not 100% accurate but I think those are pretty "OK' numbers for a bone stock car.

Tuned up by BAMA by the way.
So those were with a tune?
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yes BAMAs 93 Octane Race fuel like 4 years ago. I just started to run them again about 6-7 months ago and they feel pretty good. Haven't done a dyno run in a while.

They do have their CONS though.
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yes BAMAs 93 Octane Race fuel like 4 years ago. I just started to run them again about 6-7 months ago and they feel pretty good. Haven't done a dyno run in a while.

They do have their CONS though.
Ok - I was thinking there was NO way you could get 450 HP from a 420 HP car without a tune. LOL!
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Bama tunes arn't doing the job. I have some friends that have had bad experiences from them. Where i'm from in northern cali AEDHP are highly recommended. Id suggest to look around your local area to get your car tune a little bit more pricey but worth every buck!
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Hey guys! Very interesting information throughout the wole discussion. My Stang is a 2011 V6 Premium which I do use as a daily driver over here in Germany where I do live at. Unfortunately I also did step into the AM trap with BAMA tunes as they do a quite well merchandise and Mustang support/parts/stuff isn't easy to get over here as the up to 2016 Stangs never have been sold in Germany and they're all imported. I got my tuner and the lifetime tunes from BAMA while my last stay in the U.S. The major intention was to get to the 93 Octane rating as 93 Octane fuel is the regular grade (lowest avail) over here and I thought it might make sense to get to that rating when putting that fuel in anyway. Fortunately - after reading that all - time was against me to install it to my car yet. As far as I understood now is - I may use the tuner device itself though to load up tunes (DVDs 😉 ...) from any other supplier? Does it make sense at all (do the other tuning companies offer "remote/e-mailed" tunes at all?? Or does it always need a physical run on a dyno? That a dyno-tuned car is the best way to tune a car -> no need for discussion! Unfortunately dynos are not that common and often over here and - as said before - Stang support and knowledge is very rare. So if you'd like to get some more response from your car over here you best get a "remote tune" from some good recommended Stang specialist. Finally the intention of my posting -> is there at all any serious tuner you can recommend that offers such tunes without bringing my car back to the U.S. 🙂 ?
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