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Old 08-19-2014, 04:03 PM   #1
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Some gt500 knowledge

Just to be curious we have an owned 2012 mustang gt 5.0 passed down and since I haven't putno money into it. I want to build the 5.8 gt500 block and what all is needed for swap?????
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Doesn't shelby do upgrades? Like they take it and make it into a gt 500?

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It might be easier to sell the GT and just buy a GT 500 outright.

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Don't waste money on the 5.8 block,

Most people that are blowing the 5.8's are building a 5.4 for it.

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Doesn't shelby do upgrades? Like they take it and make it into a gt 500?
Shelby will upgrade a new GT into a GT350 or a new GT500 into a GT1000. Darn near doubles the price in each case.
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If you want a GT500 motor, sell the 2012 and buy a GT500.
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GT500 motors are $20,000! F!ck that noise.
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Short answer is money, and a damn decent amount of it, at that.

Long answer is also a question. Are you after the novelty of having an actual GT500 motor? Or are you after GT500 power? If you want the performance without the price, build a 5.4L engine. Thicker cylinder walls = more boost = more power. Plus, the 5.4L engines are a little easier to find for a better price. A savings that can be put into better parts (like a Whipple).
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All bull**** aside the 5.0 is the better platform.

Let the times speak for themselves.


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Old 08-29-2014, 04:17 PM   #11
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Yeah, why not just build the five-oh?
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Yeah, why not just build the five-oh?
Because ppl don't research and don't realize that for all the GT500 bells and whistles they use the same "sinter forged" rods as the Coyote with just a little more material. They'll still let go around 750. The Boss rods are actually stronger than the GT500 rods but none of the Coyote rods are true drop forged rods like the Terminator got.

I do keep hearing rumors that sometime in 2012, all Coyotes started getting the Boss rods but have not been able to confirm.
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Just buy a GT500 and be done with it. Unless you track your car seriously every week you're just going to waste a ton of money building a 5.0. Plus you'll still get beat by a 5.8.


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Just buy a GT500 and be done with it. Unless you track your car seriously every week you're just going to waste a ton of money building a 5.0. Plus you'll still get beat by a 5.8.


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I'm not one to be confrontational but this statement is ludicrous. Ludicrous times 100000.

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Just buy a GT500 and be done with it. Unless you track your car seriously every week you're just going to waste a ton of money building a 5.0. Plus you'll still get beat by a 5.8.


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Old 09-02-2014, 12:01 PM   #16
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Been banging around SVTP a little recently, kind of crazy seeing how cheap the 07-09 GT500s are getting nowadays honestly. Problem is at $28k even for a 20k mile garage queen that is what a leftover 2014 base model Coyote is going for.
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Old 09-02-2014, 04:10 PM   #17
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Everybody wants to justify what they own. I love my 5.8 GT500 and could care less what you think or what you own or what your opinion is. I can run 10's in the 1/4 mile with 720 RWHP which is good enough for me. Good luck with your 5.0!


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FYI on another forum someone was adamant that a 4.6 with mods will outrun a 5.0. So believe what you want. All I know I am more than satisfied with my 5.8 and always will be!


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^ good for you. :thumbup:

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FYI on another forum someone was adamant that a 4.6 with mods will outrun a 5.0. So believe what you want. All I know I am more than satisfied with my 5.8 and always will be!


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There's a few of those on this forum too. It really all depends on the setup and overall combo. I've seen cars with way less than 720rwhp break into the 9s and cars with more barely run a 10.
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I agree with you 100% on that. More factors come into play regarding 1/4 times than HP, most of all the driver. I don't have a lot of track experience and know what you mean. I a fan of all build platforms, 4.6, 5.4 etc. Good luck with yours.


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Did the OP not hear what he wanted to and leave? And aren't all of the 32v mod-motors going to behave relatively the same? So given similar mods and similar amounts of boost, they will all react in a similar fashion... with the edge going to the engine with the greatest displacement. Or am I missing something? Did they change something with the Coyote that they never did to the 4.6/5.4/5.8 that makes it more advantageous to boost? At what point, horsepower wise, does the thinner cylinder walls effect the 5.8? Just idle curiosity, not really relating to the OP's topic.
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Everybody wants to justify what they own. I love my 5.8 GT500 and could care less what you think or what you own or what your opinion is. I can run 10's in the 1/4 mile with 720 RWHP which is good enough for me. Good luck with your 5.0!


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Did the OP not hear what he wanted to and leave? And aren't all of the 32v mod-motors going to behave relatively the same? So given similar mods and similar amounts of boost, they will all react in a similar fashion... with the edge going to the engine with the greatest displacement. Or am I missing something? Did they change something with the Coyote that they never did to the 4.6/5.4/5.8 that makes it more advantageous to boost? At what point, horsepower wise, does the thinner cylinder walls effect the 5.8? Just idle curiosity, not really relating to the OP's topic.
The Coyote has a 11:1 compression and with the tuning available now one can run a pretty decent amount of boost on it. Pound for pound the Coyote will make more power but the GT500 is going to be able to take much more being lower compression and having a stronger rotating assembly although the rods are still the sinter forged ones and most ppl agree the safe limit for them is about 750ft lbs. Coyote does have thin walls, but I have not heard much of this being an issue with a good tune before the rods let go.

Biggest issues with the GT500 is it is a heavy pig, there were a ton of issues with the flywheel/clutch for the 07-09s that is solved with a 2010 flywheel/clutch setup or the McCleod RXT and McCleod flywheel and the suspension was pretty terrible. Interior is also dated compared to the 2010+ although it is still light years ahead of the SN95 and also being a S197 can benefit from relatively little having to be done in the way of suspension vs a 04-down.

I personally just have a hard time with the GT500 price point honestly. If one looks one can find a 2011 base model down in the low $20k range. The best deal I have seen so far on a GT500 was a really low mileage 2008 black with silver stripes for $28k and that guy wanted it gone ASAP because he had just bought a Vette.

Although by the time one does a blower and tune to the GT one is probably right near the GT500 price point so its really all in what one prefers I guess. Newer car with more creature comforts or an older collector car that isn't as common on the roads as the plethora of Coyotes on the road. For every V8 Challenger or Camaro I see I see 5 Coyotes and there are only 2 GT500s I've seen around here.

edit: I do wonder if one was to do a lightweight K on the GT500, move the battery and try a few other weight saving things (carbon fiber hood/fenders etc... if available) and whatever else can be removed how much better it would handle. Still not going to get down to a Coyote weight though. I do think that the white/blue stripe GT500s are some of the prettiest cars Ford has ever released.
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I saw an 07 GT500 on ebay for 17K, no reported accidents, and title check was clear. That was about a year ago.
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I saw an 07 GT500 on ebay for 17K, no reported accidents, and title check was clear. That was about a year ago.
That is extremely fishy, they book for way higher than that. I also wonder the mileage, there is one on there now with like 153k miles that is right around that price but the reserve is not met. CORRECT asking prices are $26k for a 75k mile modded one that is well taken care of or anywhere from $28-$34k for a garage queen that has light mods or is stock. I personally would not want to get one that hadn't had the McCleod setup done to it and most of them I see on SVTP have it. Guys asking $33k for a 2007 GT500 just seem nucking futs though. Even if it has 14k miles and has never seen anything but dry summer days.
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It had like 120K miles on it.
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Yeah eff that, if I was to pick one up it would be from an enthusiast with real low miles.
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Yeah. It was a nice price, I could have straight bought it. But with that much miles, not going to happen.
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Your 2013 is probably faster than it is stock anyway. They need the $1000 in mods to be able to pull on a bolt on/tuned Coyote or so I hear.
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Wow. Weight and suspension I guess.
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So many ricer racers in here. Yes a 07-12 gt500 is a joke without a blower swap.
To many people are like "oohhhhh supercharger and 500+ hp it's fkn fast"


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It seems like it should be with those numbers. I knew it wasn't fast, but didn't know it lose to a coyote.
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Well coyotes run 10 - low 11's with Boltons and a tire.

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I'll be running 775 RWHP shortly with my 5.8. You can continue your frivolous coyote rant. By the way what are you bringing to the dance??


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