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Old 01-18-2018, 08:47 PM   #316
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What you literally just said is that 1 psi is not always 20 whp.
Exactly! Keep reading, I explained it!

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Old 01-18-2018, 09:01 PM   #317
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CFM means (cubic feet per minute)

A measurement of airflow! Intercoolers, turbos and engines use this to describe how much aircis flowing through an engine, intercooler or turbo!
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Hey Voltwings, we may never know if I can get to 23psi, cause 4th gear TACHS out at 133mph! So let's just safely say 22psi !!
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It won't do 22psi in 3rd! Might still get to 20psi in 3rd though!

There is a lot of load on 4th gear, that's why the ECU commands more boost to overcome the load!
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CFM means (cubic feet per minute)

A measurement of airflow! Intercoolers, turbos and engines use this to describe how much aircis flowing through an engine, intercooler or turbo!
Same as a Holly carburetor! Remember the good old 750CFM Holly carburetor? Lil bastard could flow 750hp! Everyone wanted one! If you ran this on a tunnel ram setup in dual mode you could make 1500HP!

They still go for $350 to $650 bucks!
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Assuming I'm making 14whp per psi of boost that places me at 338HP and 355 FTlbs of TQ!

Either way I win! I'm faster than a 2018 Ecoboost! That's all that matters!

At 20whp per psi I'm at 350HP and 368FTlbs TQ!

Nice numbers either way! If I ran the 1/4 mile I could get an exact number!
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That's the way to do it. Make a few passes and get some hard numbers.
You could speculate endlessly using various calculators....
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:11 PM   #323
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That's the way to do it. Make a few passes and get some hard numbers.
You could speculate endlessly using various calculators....
The numbers I'm posting are real numbers based on 310HP! So there is accuracy cause I know my flywheel HP! These calculators are doing the Algebra for you! So they are trustworthy! The base is 310HP! Using that solid fact let's you know pretty darn close calculations! 14whp to 20whp is also considered absolute! Using absolute numbers are another way you can trust! I've given you 3 absolute numbers! 310HP and 14 to 20whp per psi!

The high and the low! Both have me in a good position to beat the 13ET mark!

Straybullit don't knock calculator's which do all the quadratic Algebra equations for you!

I gave the extreme which is 20whp per psi and the passive 14whp!!
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Based on this info I can use my rave weight to see what is possible for me to run! A target ET!

@350HP = 13.31ET @ 100mph

@338HP = 13.48ET @ 99mph

So I'm safe Straybullit! I remove that extra 4whp to give you guys the benefit of the doubt! And I'll still trap a mid 13 ET!
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That's based off of 3800lbs! All absolute numbers! Can't be refuted!
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Hey Straybullit! It was you who said that another couple psi couldn't hurt! Remember? Out were right on the money! Do you remember?

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Old 01-18-2018, 11:38 PM   #327
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For 350HP I will need a 1.84 60ft!

For 338HP I will need a 1.86 60ft!

I need drag radials guys! That's the only way! Street tires won't do it! So let's count on March!
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That's the way to do it. Make a few passes and get some hard numbers.
You could speculate endlessly using various calculators....
Just using them to know what I should run! Don't have get a pencil and start doing Quadratic Algebra! LOL! I loved math in college! It came easy! Everyone loves calculator's!
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Hey Straybullit! I ate those pancakes for you man! Seriously! You and FastFord13 and Voltwings are some of the coolest cats on the mustang scene! JimC too!

I love being here with you guys!
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Oh yeah! This guy refused to make a run at me!! He didn't want none! LOL!!

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This car is so awesome! I test drive one! They come stock with 330HP and 297TQ! It revs high and you really have to hold it down and wind it out! There only $30,000 bucks, unless you get the Nismo which is 350HP!

They make a supercharger kit and also a Twin Turbo kit! Ideally your looking at 400 to 500whp!
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Based on this info I can use my rave weight to see what is possible for me to run! A target ET!

@350HP = 13.31ET @ 100mph

@338HP = 13.48ET @ 99mph

So I'm safe Straybullit! I remove that extra 4whp to give you guys the benefit of the doubt! And I'll still trap a mid 13 ET!
The only thing is the calculator doesn't take into consideration the differences like fuel quality can have on the performance of the Ecoboost engine.
With some high octane fuel, I'm confident that you will break into the 13's.
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Hey Straybullit! I ate those pancakes for you man! Seriously! You and FastFord13 and Voltwings are some of the coolest cats on the mustang scene! JimC too!

I love being here with you guys!
Enjoy having you here as well MSP!
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The only thing is the calculator doesn't take into consideration the differences like fuel quality can have on the performance of the Ecoboost engine.
With some high octane fuel, I'm confident that you will break into the 13's.
Yeah, that is covered by the efficiency numbers! A low of 14whp and a high of 20whp!

All high octane gas will do is help the efficiency lean towards 20whp! Also on hotter days the high octane will not have the timing pulled by the ECU because knock won't be detected, so you can still make good lap times in hotter weather when using high octane fuel!

But of course, I'm going to put 2 gallons of 100 octane in with almost a full tank for 300 mile journey!
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Hey Straybullit, that 2 extra psi is real! Boost really makes a huge difference! Each psi of boost counts!

If I could only make a clean Track Apps run!

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Assuming I'm making 14whp per psi of boost that places me at 338HP and 355 FTlbs of TQ!

Either way I win! I'm faster than a 2018 Ecoboost! That's all that matters!

At 20whp per psi I'm at 350HP and 368FTlbs TQ!

Nice numbers either way! If I ran the 1/4 mile I could get an exact number!
Based on the fact that I'm not driving in hot weather, I'm at 350HP and 368lbs ft TQ! The 338HP is just showing the absolute minimum for ambient air temps! Don't get confused!!!

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When I mentioned the Vortech V2 and it making 14whp with 10psi of boost, is because Centrifugal superchargers suffer from what is called (Parasitic Loss)! This is because it takes HP to compress the air the supercharger is creating! This also is a load on the crankshaft! All superchargers suffer from this! Roots and Twin Screw! Turbos are the only forced induction that use 100% of the HP they create! Which makes turbos #1!

It is this reason why it is foolish of Ford to continue down the path of supercharging the GT500! Ecoboost Technology rules from bottom to the top!

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Hey guys! It goes to 22psi in 3rd gear! I took a pic and was able to take a pic at 21psi! Driving with one hand! Crazy!! LOL!!Click image for larger version

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Look at the pyrometer!! Hot baby!

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See the white chalk mark on the actuator shaft? That's how much pre-load comes from the factory! You must completely remove the wastegate and loosen the but behind the shaft eye and remivevall the pre-load!!

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Everyone must still be sleeping!
Wake up guys!

If I go to the track in February I'll shoot for a 13.5x ET on street tires!

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Turbos and Superchargers both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Yes a supercharger has parasitic loss but it's advantage over a turbo is instant response and a more linear power delivery. In applications where efficiency is less of a consideration, instant response and linear power delivery will tip the equation in favor of the Supercharger. That is why you see superchargers on the big engine, big horsepower Halo cars from GM, Chrysler and Ford.

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I like centrifugal superchargers over the others!

Centrifugal superchargers are OK in my book! Thanks Dgc333!

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The Reason for the high exhaust temps is that you are mucking with a system (waste gate) without making the necessary changes in the fuel delivery and timing. You are in the range where you can hole a piston.



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The Reason for the high exhaust temps is that you are mucking with a system (waste gate) without making the necessary changes in the fuel delivery and timing. You are in the range where you can hole a piston.



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Nope! Its a diesel pyrometer! Its within normal ranges! Don't even try it!

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My S197 V6 4.0 got to 1100F at 10psi! This one is going to 1200F at 21 to 22psi!

So its running real cool actually!

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A hole in a piston cause I'm doing 2psi more boost!! LOL!

Yourca comedian! Forged pistons don't get holes! Are you smoking something you shouldn't be?

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Turbos and Superchargers both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Yes a supercharger has parasitic loss but it's advantage over a turbo is instant response and a more linear power delivery. In applications where efficiency is less of a consideration, instant response and linear power delivery will tip the equation in favor of the Supercharger. That is why you see superchargers on the big engine, big horsepower Halo cars from GM, Chrysler and Ford.

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All you will find in the 24hrs of LeMans 24HR race is turbos! Superchargers could never handle the rigorous demands of that race!

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The only supercharger that could handle the 24HR of LeMans is an air to air centrifugal! All other superchargers are for the 1/4 mile only!

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