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Old 01-19-2012, 10:21 PM   #106
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It's also crazy how some of these threads get off topic!!.... Hahahahahaha.
Lol.yes they do but hey I think the topic did its thing first.
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Ya but we are not talking about the V6s here!... And plus the SS compition was more like the Mach1 and the Terminator!.. The GTs compition was the Z28!.. Not to mention the fact that the V8 Mustangs were also out selling the V8 Camaros!..
Touche..I wont argue with the fact that mustang outsold camaro..I know some people on this site think camaro being discontinued was a victory,but I hated to see the camaro gone!..im glad its back and I will say I prefer the new 5.0's over the new SS's!!..
GT500 over ZL1 but I cant wait to see this war rage on!!...
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5.4l vs 4.6l both super charged and both around the same wait hmmm i wonder which i would go with

Ps. Not all 03/04 cobras were termys only the ones svt took the time to affix a twin screw to so there both pretty rare cars by todays standerds i guess its just going to come down to style tastes for me im torn i like the termys body styling but i really like the new mustangs body styling to.

While were at it lets throw the new shelby gt350 in the mix. Which would u prefer if moneys no object. New 12 gt350,12 gt500 or 03/04 termy? Now u can chose between a sc4.6l, sc5.0l or a sc5.4l

Is anyone else tickled by tge thought of this decission? Lol!
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There is no (pony)war with only one side.its just crazy what camaro and even challenger have made the mustang into.
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5.4l vs 4.6l both super charged and both around the same wait hmmm i wonder which i would go with

Ps. Not all 03/04 cobras were termys only the ones svt took the time to affix a twin screw to so there both pretty rare cars by todays standerds i guess its just going to come down to style tastes for me im torn i like the termys body styling but i really like the new mustangs body styling to.

While were at it lets throw the new shelby gt350 in the mix. Which would u prefer if moneys no object. New 12 gt350,12 gt500 or 03/04 termy? Now u can chose between a sc4.6l, sc5.0l or a sc5.4l

Is anyone else tickled by tge thought of this decission? Lol!
every 03/04 cobra was a terminator. And they came with a roots supercharger not a twin screw
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5.4l vs 4.6l both super charged and both around the same wait hmmm i wonder which i would go with

Ps. Not all 03/04 cobras were termys only the ones svt took the time to affix a twin screw to so there both pretty rare cars by todays standerds i guess its just going to come down to style tastes for me im torn i like the termys body styling but i really like the new mustangs body styling to.

While were at it lets throw the new shelby gt350 in the mix. Which would u prefer if moneys no object. New 12 gt350,12 gt500 or 03/04 termy? Now u can chose between a sc4.6l, sc5.0l or a sc5.4l

Is anyone else tickled by tge thought of this decission? Lol!
In that case let's throw in the 2013 GT500!!.... Hahahaha.

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Touche..I wont argue with the fact that mustang outsold camaro..I know some people on this site think camaro being discontinued was a victory,but I hated to see the camaro gone!..im glad its back and I will say I prefer the new 5.0's over the new SS's!!..
GT500 over ZL1 but I cant wait to see this war rage on!!...
Touché to your Touche!!... Lol. I would like to see this pony car war go on!.. But not to the point that my little 4.6 will never be able to keep up!!...

Or is that to late?!?.... Lol

F*** it............ Lol
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In that case let's throw in the 2013 GT500!!.... Hahahaha.

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Touché to your Touche!!... Lol. I would like to see this pony car war go on!.. But not to the point that my little 4.6 will never be able to keep up!!...

Or is that to late?!?.... Lol

F*** it............ Lol
Yes its to late. I mean the new v6s smoke my Fox
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Y is it ive seen 03 /04 cobras with out blowers then?
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What do the new V6's put down to the wheels? I know they are rated at like 311 hp..but im sure that rating is to the flywheel? Anybody know?
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Y is it ive seen 03 /04 cobras with out blowers then?
They just have the body kit. ALL of them had a supercharger from the factory.
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Y is it ive seen 03 /04 cobras with out blowers then?
If it is a true 03/04 cobra then it has a supercharger from the factory No exceptions.
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every 03/04 cobra was a terminator. And they came with a roots supercharger not a twin screw
Lol yeah last time I checked ... EVERY 03/04 Cobra was a Terminator. Lol, twin screw ? Really? Someone needs a refresher course I think.

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5.4l vs 4.6l both super charged and both around the same wait hmmm i wonder which i would go with

Ps. Not all 03/04 cobras were termys only the ones svt took the time to affix a twin screw to so there both pretty rare cars by todays standerds i guess its just going to come down to style tastes for me im torn i like the termys body styling but i really like the new mustangs body styling to.

While were at it lets throw the new shelby gt350 in the mix. Which would u prefer if moneys no object. New 12 gt350,12 gt500 or 03/04 termy? Now u can chose between a sc4.6l, sc5.0l or a sc5.4l

Is anyone else tickled by tge thought of this decission? Lol!
Twin screw 03/04 didnt happen bro. Every 03/04 Snake was a Terminator FYI. Look it up .... Ford personally gave everyone that code name my friend.
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Re: 2012 Gt500 vs 03-04 Cobra

if you see an 03/04 cobra without the supercharger it was either:
A. Not a real 03/04 cobra
B. Someone Removed it or did something
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Touchy touchy sry i said twin screw now get off my case i really dont care... Its possable that the 3 of them in my town i saw were just clones or body kits i still know that theres not a whole smack load of them out there and i dont need to brush up on anything its useless info to me... Id go new shelby gt350 if it was me. Screw the 4.6 its the little dog in the big cenal.

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Production 2003–2004
19,140 produced
Engine 390 HP 4.6 L supercharged DOHC Modular V8
Transmission 6-speed T-56 manual
Wheelbase 101.3 in (2,573 mm)
Length 183.5 in (4,661 mm)
Width 73.1 in (1,857 mm)
Height SVT Cobra Coupe: 52.5 in (1,334 mm)
SVT Cobra Convertible: 52.9 in (1,344 mm)
Curb weight Coupe: 3,665 lb (1,662 kg)
Convertible: 3,780 lb (1,715 kg)
Debuting in early 2002, the 2003 Cobra, codenamed "Terminator" by the SVT development crew, which quickly fell into common usage for the 2003/04 Cobra, came with a supercharged 4.6 L DOHC engine. Numerous improvements were made to the powertrain and driveline to handle the increase from the previous model year. A cast iron block was used instead of aluminum, with stronger internals, including forged Zolner pistons and Manley H-beam connecting rods that were modified with a wrist pin oiling hole by the SVT engine builders. These upgrades were critical in order to support the 8 psi (0.55 bar) of boost delivered from the stock Eaton M112 roots supercharger. Other improvements include the use of an aluminium flywheel connected to a Tremec T-56 six-speed transmission, 3.55:1 rear axle ratio and stronger 31 spline half shafts with revised upper and lower control arms. These modifications launched the Cobra from 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds and the quarter mile in the high 12's at over 110 mph (180 km/h). Some have gone as low as 12.4 seconds with a professional driver and good conditions in stock form.

Although many believe there was no 2002 Cobra, there was a very small release. There were only about 100 vehicles built, and they were all shipped to Australia. Other changes included additional lights in the lower bumper, and the steering wheel was moved to the right side of the car. 2002 Mustang Cobra

For 2003, SVT offered a limited-edition Tenth Anniversary Cobra which featured unique color paint scheme, split seven spoke gunmetal wheels, and red leather inserts in the seats.

The 2004 Cobra was much the same as the 2003 Cobra with a few minor updates, including new paint color options (Screaming Yellow, Competition Orange and Mystichrome, which featured seats with custom colored inserts), a slightly updated exhaust system, which helped to eliminate the Gas Guzzler Tax that the 2003 suffered, as well as some minor interior changes.

A definitive history of this model and John Coletti's SVT operations was captured in the non-fiction book Iron Fist, Lead Foot by Frank Moriarty.


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2003 Coupe 8,394
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there is a difference in a twin screw and a roots blower as well. I wish ford had put twin screws on the 03/04 but they put root style sigh
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Yes there is but they look very similar in the world of sc (like say roots vs twin screw vs cintrific) its a mear detail sry i was off a bit all i ment was they were blown and from a couple i seen hear i was under the impression that not all of them were but as stated they were prolly gt cobra want to bees. Im just getting tired of everybody on ME being so hardcore about the details its kinda rude. Specially when u relize were all f***ing human and some times we make mistakes ill make sure to call u on detail errors from now on then. Oh but wait if were all like that then nobody would want to talk hear cause theyed think ME is full of self indulged a$$holes and i for one dont want to present that image so be happy at least one person will take ur errors with a grain of salt insted of castrating u over it just cause.
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there is a difference in a twin screw and a roots blower as well. I wish ford had put twin screws on the 03/04 but they put root style sigh
So what exactly is the difference between the two?...
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So what exactly is the difference between the two?...
Its the cog design and the first roots blowers only had one rotating set of cogs the newer ones have two put together much the same as a twin screw but the blads on a twin screw and how they move the air slightly differ
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Its the cog design and the first roots blowers only had one rotating set of cogs the newer ones have two put together much the same as a twin screw but the blads on a twin screw and how they move the air slightly differ
Cool, thanks!...
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It'll be awesome to see a new version of a Terminator. Or just imagine how Mustangs will be in 20 years! I am so excited! Lol
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Yes there is but they look very similar in the world of sc (like say roots vs twin screw vs cintrific) its a mear detail sry i was off a bit all i ment was they were blown and from a couple i seen hear i was under the impression that not all of them were but as stated they were prolly gt cobra want to bees. Im just getting tired of everybody on ME being so hardcore about the details its kinda rude. Specially when u relize were all f***ing human and some times we make mistakes ill make sure to call u on detail errors from now on then. Oh but wait if were all like that then nobody would want to talk hear cause theyed think ME is full of self indulged a$$holes and i for one dont want to present that image so be happy at least one person will take ur errors with a grain of salt insted of castrating u over it just cause.
Don't take it so serious my friend. Look when you screw up some details about a mustang then yeah someone will correct you ( this is a mustang site FYI ) nobody called you a dumba$$ or anything.
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I mean no harshness i have to remember to keep my aggression in check ive come out of the hospital a couple days ago because of a bed shortage ive been suffering from paincreatitis since monday when it almost killed me and was sent home with very strong synthetic morphine (cause there aint nothing else they can do right now) and it makes me a bit short tempered but handles the pain relitivly well. sry if i came off a little gruff. No hard feelings?
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I mean no harshness i have to remember to keep my aggression in check ive come out of the hospital a couple days ago because of a bed shortage ive been suffering from paincreatitis since monday when it almost killed me and was sent home with very strong synthetic morphine (cause there aint nothing else they can do right now) and it makes me a bit short tempered but handles the pain relitivly well. sry if i came off a little gruff. No hard feelings?
No hard feelings taken. Sorry to hear about your condition. Hope things improve with you
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Me to. I got surgery comming up for an un realeted wrist problem on the 31st so having my paincreas go so soon has kinda got me on edge specilly since i put the wrist sergury off for about a yr waiting for work to slow down enough to get it done. At least i know its just me being snappy so ill do what i can to deal with my self. On that note im not feeling so hot right now so ima crash for an hour or so. Have a good one.
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Also, by the numbers the 2012 GT500 runs a 12.4 to a 2003 Cobra 12.6...it's all in the driver. Also an identical 0-60 of 4.4 seconds...extra 160 horsepower sure is getting you alot.
U put slicks on a gt500 and it will do in the 11s for sure u just have to know how to drive t
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Like I said. Any tool can own a terminator. And I say tool because most of the terminator owners I've ever met are exactly that. They are cocky irritating *** holes that think they are better then everyone. Not saying all of them are but everyone one of them I've met in real life are. I'm gonna laugh when one of these days a gt hands a terminator it's ***. Mine already has. Just accept that yes the gt500 is heavier and even with bad tires it's faster and more valuable then the terminator. Just accept the fact. That the terminator is now behind the curve. That it's a person opinion to get one or not. I personally wouldn't waste my money cause I can build my gt to be better for less then it would to buy a terminator. Or better yet buy a 99-01 cobra for about the same price as a gt and build it for even less money. 18k+ for a 9 year old car with high mileage is ridiculous. And those 6 year gm was out of the game was because they pulled the camaro lol it was gone even before the terminator was launched.

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Over 19k for 2 years of production isn't really low
So am I a tool?

Also, just for the record there were over 10,000 GT500's produced...just in 2007. I do believe the Terminator wins the low production war.

And don't get so involved in this, you seem like I'm attacking you or something.
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Show me a Terminator pushing those kind of numbers on stock internals, and I'll show you a Shelby doing the same!.. Now you say that the Terminator is a much lower production vehicle!.. I can agree with that as it was only produced for two years!.. Yet you also say that you can show me 2 Terminators that are pushing over 1000hp for every Shelby doing the same!... That I find a bit hard to swallow as I do personally know of three Terminator owners, and none of them are pushing those kind of numbers!.. As a matter of fact only one of them is pushing over 600hp!.. Now I have meet several Shelbys pushing close to that 1000hp mark!.. Yet I don't actually know any of them personally!..

Now I will also agree that a 20,000 price difference is a bit steep for a .2 second difference!.. But take into consideration the fact that the Shelby comes with some POS tires for that kind of power!.. Slap on a decent set of rubber on it and that .2 second lead grows a bit more!..

I will also agree that back in '02, the Terminator was one of the things that helped bring the demise of the Camaro and TransAm!.. But right now both GM and Dodge are back in the swing of things!.. And both have some cars pushing some big numbers!.. The Camaro ZL1 with close to 600hp!.. And the Challenger with a 480hp NA motor!.. But I do think that we will see something very similar with the 2013 GT500!.. And 20 years from now people very well might be saying, "Terminator What?!?.... No, it was the 2013 GT500 that killed off both the Camaro and Challenger for good!!... "
So you respond to my call-out for actual cars with another call-out? Sorry, that's not how this works. You made the claim, now show the facts. I'll start posting TT and 3.4 whipple cars as long as you desire when you post your cars. Difference is I KNOW these people and cars and have driven a majority of them. The other difference is the 03/04 came, from the factory, with a built engine. GT500 is a different story. That's why I can post 2:1 if you ever come up with one for me to compare to.



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Didn't I just respond to one of these. We're comparing stock for stock. One set of ****ty factory tires versus another set of ****ty factory tires. If you want to get into modifications see the above post.
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My dad has a stock 2007 gt500 and my uncle has a 2004 cobra and the cobra has no chance against it both r stock they get on the highway and race all the time lol and my dad walks away from true cobra from a dig and from a roll they even switched and the gt500 killed the cobra
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So am I a tool?

Also, just for the record there were over 10,000 GT500's produced...just in 2007. I do believe the Terminator wins the low production war.

And don't get so involved in this, you seem like I'm attacking you or something.

So you respond to my call-out for actual cars with another call-out? Sorry, that's not how this works. You made the claim, now show the facts. I'll start posting TT and 3.4 whipple cars as long as you desire when you post your cars. Difference is I KNOW these people and cars and have driven a majority of them. The other difference is the 03/04 came, from the factory, with a built engine. GT500 is a different story. That's why I can post 2:1 if you ever come up with one for me to compare to.

Didn't I just respond to one of these. We're comparing stock for stock. One set of ****ty factory tires versus another set of ****ty factory tires. If you want to get into modifications see the above post.
I think I did by when I stated that I personally know of THREE Terminator Owners!!... And that only one of the three is pushing over 600hp!.. By you stating, and me agreeing to, the low production #s as compared to the Shelby!.. And then how you stated you can show me 2 Terminators for ever Shelby pushing over 1000hp!... By reason there for one of those Three Terminators that I personally know, should be pushing at, if not over 1000hp!!... Or if nothing else close to a 1000hp!!...

Hell go the Woodward Dream Cruise and head down Mustang Alley!.. And you well see several Shelbys pushing at or over 1000hp!.. And yet you might find one Terminator doing the same thing!... And yet the funny thing is, that you will see as many, if not more Terminators as you will see Shelbys!..

Ok!!.... Now your turn!!.... Lol.
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I think I did by when I stated that I personally know of THREE Terminator Owners!!... And that only one of the three is pushing over 600hp!.. By you stating, and me agreeing to, the low production #s as compared to the Shelby!.. And then how you stated you can show me 2 Terminators for ever Shelby pushing over 1000hp!... By reason there for one of those Three Terminators that I personally know, should be pushing at, if not over 1000hp!!... Or if nothing else close to a 1000hp!!...

Hell go the Woodward Dream Cruise and head down Mustang Alley!.. And you well see several Shelbys pushing at or over 1000hp!.. And yet you might find one Terminator doing the same thing!... And yet the funny thing is, that you will see as many, if not more Terminators as you will see Shelbys!..

Ok!!.... Now your turn!!.... Lol.
And all of these cars have stock internals? Not likely.
My whole point is a GT500 cannot push 1000 rwhp on stock engine. Period. End of discussion.

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I found this article to be very useful

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A little confusing at first but thanks!..
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And all of these cars have stock internals? Not likely.
My whole point is a GT500 cannot push 1000 rwhp on stock engine. Period. End of discussion.

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R u even aware u can order the gt500 in a super snake package that puts out over 700hp ur litorlly a few mods away from 1000 hp now what ive never seen hit even close to 1000 hp with out totally rebuilding adding turbos and upgrading the internals is a 4.6l. u would have to be some kind of ignorant to think the 4.6 can out class a 5.4 in torque and power regards. Have a good one g-night!
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R u even aware u can order the gt500 in a super snake package that puts out over 700hp ur litorlly a few mods away from 1000 hp now what ive never seen hit even close to 1000 hp with out totally rebuilding adding turbos and upgrading the internals is a 4.6l. u would have to be some kind of ignorant to think the 4.6 can out class a 5.4 in torque and power regards. Have a good one g-night!
the supersnake is 725hp at the engine, not the rear wheels. What they are arguing about is rear wheel estimates which is MUCH more than 725hp the supersnake comes with from a simple upgraded supercharger.

Ive seen many 03/04 Cobras put down 1000+rwhp... I would however never say that they will hold it other than if its just a show car that never gets to put down that kind of power. Most seem to say 600-650rwhp on the 03/04 cobra stock bottom end is about the sweet spot for its limits to maintain safety.

Please no bashing just discussion.
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I wasnt bashing just stating a well known fact.
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Re: 2012 Gt500 vs 03-04 Cobra

sorry didnt mean to direct that to you or didnt mean to make it sound that way either, just in general for this thread before it gets derailed and we have to close it

I personally dont know the limits of the GT500 for the most part, but my friend has an 08 GT500 with 630rwhp and he has no issues with it at all (thats about 775 motor).

I think the argument comes from the 03/04 have VERY good rods and meh pistons vs the GT500's crappy rods and better pistons~ so many say the GT500's rods are its weak link while the 03/04 cobra's pistons (quality and how tight they are in the sleeve) along with bad coolant flow are its weakness.
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