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Old 06-02-2014, 12:50 PM   #1
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I bought my 2013 V6, black, used with 10k miles and it seems as though someone took a DA to her without knowing how to use it. I have pretty bad swirls EVERYWHERE and they are driving me crazy. I've tried the Meguiers Scratch X, and it helped some, but still not completely gone. Outside taking her to a body shop to have her taken down and re-cleared, what are my options to getting my black pony back to normal (or as close as possible)? The swirls show up like crazy in the sun when she is clean, and just makes her look old
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Check out Chemical Guys, their V series polishes are great. And go on YouTube and look up "AMMO NYC" the guy Larry who does those is a genius when it comes to detailing.
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I personally use Meguiars Ultimate Polish with a Dewalt dwp849X rotary buffer. Still getting used to really curves panels but it really does work. I did my Dad's Corvette last week and have also used it on my Mustang, I'll let the pics speak for themselves

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i will look into those, thanks!
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I personally use Meguiars Ultimate Polish with a Dewalt dwp849X rotary buffer. Still getting used to really curves panels but it really does work. I did my Dad's Corvette last week and have also used it on my Mustang, I'll let the pics speak for themselves

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that looks great! i've always been a big fan of Meguiars... does the Ultimate Polish remove swirls or is just a polish?
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Be careful with a rotary polisher if you are new to the hobby of detailing. Rotary polishers can really remove a good deal of material (paint) in a short amount of time. With the right pads and chemicals they do an awesome job quickly, but in the wrong hands you can literally take paint off to the metal.

Dual action polishers (random orbitals), are much safer to use if you don't have a lot of experience with powered polishing tools. Most of the time you can correct a vehicles paint with a dual action and rarely do you need to break out the rotary polisher. In the past I've used menzerna final polish with good results, and also use a compound of theirs. Scratch X when used with a DA or rotary actually does a pretty good job, much more so then when used by hand. It does have some fillers however.

When detailing always try the gentlest method first and work your way up.
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Be careful with a rotary polisher if you are new to the hobby of detailing. Rotary polishers can really remove a good deal of material (paint) in a short amount of time. With the right pads and chemicals they do an awesome job quickly, but in the wrong hands you can literally take paint off to the metal.

Dual action polishers (random orbitals), are much safer to use if you don't have a lot of experience with powered polishing tools. Most of the time you can correct a vehicles paint with a dual action and rarely do you need to break out the rotary polisher. In the past I've used menzerna final polish with good results, and also use a compound of theirs. Scratch X when used with a DA or rotary actually does a pretty good job, much more so then when used by hand. It does have some fillers however.

When detailing always try the gentlest method first and work your way up.
very much appreciate the info! i tried the Scratch X by hand, and like i said, helped a little, but def not where i need it to be. I need to invest in a DA i suppose and try that.
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Soccerluver4, what pads are you using?

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I mostly use the Chemical Guys black finishing pad. I have the white one also designed for polish, but that doesn't really work too well with the Meguiars Ultimate polish.
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that looks great! i've always been a big fan of Meguiars... does the Ultimate Polish remove swirls or is just a polish?

It removes light swirls. On the Corvette pic I also used Meguiars Compound but did that by hand.
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I've noticed that both my Mustang and dad's corvette have really hard paint. I'll be doing the Hyundai after our camping trip so I'll see how that one is.
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Thanks. They both look great btw.

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Believe it or not the Corvette was actually MUCH easier to buff than the Mustang lol
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I have a random orbital craftsman buffer from Sears, I belive it was like $25-30 bucks comes with the applicator and the buffer pads. When I painted my door I had to sand the clear coat to get it soomth and without the craftsman buffer or meguires ultimate polishing compound I would be no where. Only use meguires, chem guys. I scratched the s#$& out of my sisters car by accudently a year ago trying to remove a scratch with turtle conpud (aka sandpaper in a tub) hense it's $3 price tag. I then got the meguires ultimate compound and you could never tell my sisters car was ever even scratched in that spot.

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I have a random orbital craftsman buffer from Sears, I belive it was like $25-30 bucks comes with the applicator and the buffer pads. When I painted my door I had to sand the clear coat to get it soomth and without the craftsman buffer or meguires ultimate polishing compound I would be no where. Only use meguires, chem guys. I scratched the s#$& out of my sisters car by accudently a year ago trying to remove a scratch with turtle conpud (aka sandpaper in a tub) hense it's $3 price tag. I then got the meguires ultimate compound and you could never tell my sisters car was ever even scratched in that spot.

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I just bought a DA and used Meguiar's ultimate compound. It worked pretty well at removing swirls. I could probably go over again and make it better but I'm happy with it for now.
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I just bought a DA and used Meguiar's ultimate compound. It worked pretty well at removing swirls. I could probably go over again and make it better but I'm happy with it for now.
Also it's amazing what wax will do for your clear coat. I prefer tub style wax over the paste type. I feel the paste doesent shine the paint nearly as well and it clogs up microfiber cloths really fast. I got this meguires gold class wax and on my car it looks really good, I have these weird rub marks on my paint that look like something was rubbing against the car, nothing takes them off but when I wax the car they go away.

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I agree. I followed the ultimate compound with the gold class liquid wax and the car had such a great shine.
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I bought my 2013 V6, black, used with 10k miles and it seems as though someone took a DA to her without knowing how to use it. I have pretty bad swirls EVERYWHERE and they are driving me crazy. I've tried the Meguiers Scratch X, and it helped some, but still not completely gone. Outside taking her to a body shop to have her taken down and re-cleared, what are my options to getting my black pony back to normal (or as close as possible)? The swirls show up like crazy in the sun when she is clean, and just makes her look old
If the swirls or halo's are past the point of no return, then you would need a wet sanding and paint restoration. But odds are you should be able to remove the swirls with a 3-4 step process depending on the tools & products you have available.

A couple of my favorite products that I use on customer cars are the Meguiars 105 & Meguiars 205 then topped with either a paint sealant or carnuba wax. Thats just one brand I like, the other is the Wolf Gang Total Swirl Remover & Finishing Glaze. Without seeing your car in person and evaluating the paint, its hard to give accurate advice but these items with the proper tools and final step applications should serve the purpose.
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If the swirls or halo's are past the point of no return, then you would need a wet sanding and paint restoration. But odds are you should be able to remove the swirls with a 3-4 step process depending on the tools & products you have available.

A couple of my favorite products that I use on customer cars are the Meguiars 105 & Meguiars 205 then topped with either a paint sealant or carnuba wax. Thats just one brand I like, the other is the Wolf Gang Total Swirl Remover & Finishing Glaze. Without seeing your car in person and evaluating the paint, its hard to give accurate advice but these items with the proper tools and final step applications should serve the purpose.
thank you! i will look into those products... i believe that it is fixable, but I'll need to get a DA
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You're welcome! Meguiars has the DA System at your local autoparts store that works pretty good without breaking the bank of investing in a true DA Polisher. If you make the jump, be sure to get the correct pads for each stage of the process. The "proper" tools, products, technics and patience will pay off in the end.
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You're welcome! Meguiars has the DA System at your local autoparts store that works pretty good without breaking the bank of investing in a true DA Polisher. If you make the jump, be sure to get the correct pads for each stage of the process. The "proper" tools, products, technics and patience will pay off in the end.

thats what i'm looking for. i'm willing to put as much time and effort as needed, but don't feel like wasting time or effort either. and also a safe way to not make things worse for sure.
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thats what i'm looking for. i'm willing to put as much time and effort as needed, but don't feel like wasting time or effort either. and also a safe way to not make things worse for sure.
All doable and you're already on the right path. I have a couple of guides on my page so feel free to click on the link in my signature. Also, go to Autogeek.net and you will find everything you will need.
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I'll have to remember that wax so I can get some
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There are different sealants and waxes for different uses.

My Chemical Guys glaze makes the car super super shiny but doesn't last too long and isn't super protective. Need a little extra than you would think to apply, but it wipes off like butter.
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My Turtle carnauba cleaner wax sheds water like glass. This was after a full day in the rain and then also time in the sun without touching the paint at all. No water spots or drips at all
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Then I have this Meguiars Carnuaba wax. Nothing real special about it that stands out to me. Pain in the *** to apply and remove. Not really my favorite
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Then there is this Lucas Slick Mist spray wax, easy to apply, gives good shine and fairly slick. Cheap at autozone, IMO it's a highly under-rated spray wax. I usually use it after each wash as an extra coat of protection.
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Hey guys,

Quick question. I can't seem to get rid of the swirls on my car either with Compound or with Polish.

Should I be stripping the wax before I try compounding and polishing?

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Wash it with some dish soap or do a full clay. Then start from scratch.
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Some paints are hard and some are softer. From my experience Mustangs usually have a harder paint so it'll take a bit more effort to get swirls out. Really I don't see a way of getting swirls out on these cars without a machine.
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If I use a clay bar do I have to use cleaner wax then wax or can I go from clay bar to waxing and call it good
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I am using a machine. The dish soap fully removes the wax right? So I'd have to make sure to apply the wax again t else it'd be vulnerable?

Dawn dish soap is what I read is best for this
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I wouldn't use dish soap, just clay bar the car. That takes off the wax and it also removed small contaminants from the paint. And yes whenever you polish the car you need to put another coat of wax on.
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I am using a machine. The dish soap fully removes the wax right? So I'd have to make sure to apply the wax again t else it'd be vulnerable?

Dawn dish soap is what I read is best for this
Dish soap is a big no no on cars. It damages your clear coat over time. Always invest in some quality car Soap form turtle or meguires or chem guys. Dish soap is only good with water for lubercating sandpaper if you have a freshly painted pannel.

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Ok so the consensus is that clay barring will remove wax giving me better access to fix up the swirls/scratches with compound correct?
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Dish soap is fine if you don't use it that often, like very rarely, clay bar you can do a lot more, and it gets paint contaminants off in the process.
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Ok so the consensus is that clay barring will remove wax giving me better access to fix up the swirls/scratches with compound correct?
Yes, in theory it should. It really all depends on the hardness of the clay bar, and or how you use it.
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I usually clay bar my car during the wash. I'll rinse it down, then i'll soap it up and while it still has soap on it i'll go over it with the clay bar, makes it much easier and you can go a lot faster through it.
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