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Old 12-14-2014, 11:46 AM   #1
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Does anyone have issues with minor scratches from washing it?

over the past few months washing my car over and over has caused fine small scratches on the hood am i the only one or does every one with dark cars have that problem cause i wash my shammy many times b4 im done washing whats causing it. makes me not want to wash and i even heard that covers scratch your car worse
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Car covers indeed cause tiny scratches! I have a black and no matter how hard I try to keep it clean, I always end up getting swirls. I'm guessing it's not how you wash your car, but how you dry and wax/ maintain it. Not so good quality Microfiber towels to blame here?

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I use the 2 bucket method with a sponge, and if it EVER touches the ground, I trash it. It took about 2 years before swirls started to show. After this winter, I'm going to clay bar and put down a fresh coat of wax which should fix the light swirls in it.

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I have a few black rides and it is a process. Microfiber wash mits the dreadlocks type 3 of them. Two buckets one clean water one soap. Start with wheels and work up to the top of the car. 1 mitt wheels, fender edges only. 2 mitt rocker panels, lower bumpers. 3 mitt top sections. After washing a panel dunk mitt in clean water and wring out on ground, repeat. Dunk in soap wash. On sides wash only verticle strokes only. Hood top deck lid wash in a straight line with the panels front to rear. Dry car with a blower and finish with detail carnauba spray with quality microfibers. Never ever use a cover.

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I use the 2 bucket method with a sponge, and if it EVER touches the ground, I trash it. It took about 2 years before swirls started to show. After this winter, I'm going to clay bar and put down a fresh coat of wax which should fix the light swirls in it.

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You'll want to polish it before you wax it to get the swirls out.
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Porter cable 7424xp random orbital buffer with a foam pad for light defect removal with a good polish like pinnacle swirl removal. Dark rides like a random orbital or you will see machine swirl from a straight buffer. Clay bar first polish with swirl remover then a finishing polish followed up with carnuba. I've used sealers but the just don't live up to the hype. Carnuba detailer after every wash and a clay and polish every 2-3 months. I have a black 4runner with 225k and people always think it just got painted. Get a system and it's not much work if you stay on top of it.

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When you wash a car, and the dirt gets onto the wash mitt, and then you mix it around in the water not all of it comes off and then its still floating around in the water. So then you go back over the paint and bam the dirt gets rubbed back in. Thats what causes it. You want to use a premium wash mitt or microfiber towel, and the 2 bucket method with a grit guard. And don't wipe in circles, go in a straight line and do one or 2 passes then clean off the mitt.
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There's a million things that can cause swirls. But here are some things I noticed in this post.

1) Swirls are usually caused from the drying stage. If you use a harsh or dirty towel or press too hard, you'll get swirls. Period. Washing is the 2nd most common by getting dirt and grit on the mitt. Use microfiber, not a sponge, not wool, microfiber.

2) A car cover is fine to use, assuming it and the car are very clean. If you throw a dirty cover or a clean cover on a dirty car, obviously it's going to create swirls.

3) Wax does not "fix" swirls. It just fills them in. They're still there. You have to polish to remove them, then stop whatever you did to create them.

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I use a micro fiber cloth for cleaning and drying my cars. And when drying, I go from front to back not in a circular motion.
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As in previous posts......2 bucket method and a quality wash soap. I never use my wash mitt on the wheels and I use air to dry the painted surfaces.
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You'll want to polish it before you wax it to get the swirls out.
Lol yeah that's what I meant. Just so use to saying wash and wax haha
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I use a car cover and I'll tell you that fading from UV and crud on the paint is a far bigger issue than tiny swirls. Yes, I know you should keep it in a garage, but if it's outside, don't obsess over scratches while it's getting baked in the sun. Just some advice to the lurkers here.

If it's outside, do get a car cover. Wax it every 2-3 weeks and the cover shouldn't cause any serious damage. Yes, that's more often than normal, but the car cover, especially if it's wet or damp will take a fair amount of the wax off in the morning with it.
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true forgot about the uv's
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I use the porter cable 7424 random orbital buffer, Lakewood pads, with McGuires professional series ultra cut and fine cut compound and buff, Polish, and wax a quarter panel every day or so until I finish the whole car. I have a black car too I know the struggle. I can touch the paint on my car and it will scratch it up.


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theres no way to escape the wrath of the fine scratches
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theres no way to escape the wrath of the fine scratches

Any time you touch the paint you will be putting very fine scratches into the clear. Best we can do is minimize it.


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theres no way to escape the wrath of the fine scratches
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Any time you touch the paint you will be putting very fine scratches into the clear. Best we can do is minimize it.


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Exactly. I have a black GT and I have to live with the fine scratches. I don't have swirls because I only dry in one direction. But I'll be buying a leaf blower when I get my tax return.


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Exactly. I have a black GT and I have to live with the fine scratches. I don't have swirls because I only dry in one direction. But I'll be buying a leaf blower when I get my tax return.


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Go for it, powerful little sucker. Goes to 160 mph force air on high. Plus no exhaust fumes or gas.

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trust me i try to save all the gas i can the stang uses enough of that lol
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trust me i try to save all the gas i can the stang uses enough of that lol
I agree with you there.

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yup are cars do enough of that
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over the past few months washing my car over and over has caused fine small scratches on the hood am i the only one or does every one with dark cars have that problem cause i wash my shammy many times b4 im done washing whats causing it. makes me not want to wash and i even heard that covers scratch your car worse
Paint can scratch or mar from a multitude of things. But the number one cause is YOU. You love your car, want to keep it clean but end up making tiny scratches while washing (well dryng actually)

Best solutions are the "two bucket method" and buying Ammo Hydrate. Trust me it will really change how you feel about your paint.

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not that expensive and it's the only thing my dealer and I will use on $75k+ Cars.
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Paint can scratch or mar from a multitude of things. But the number one cause is YOU. You love your car, want to keep it clean but end up making tiny scratches while washing (well dryng actually)

Best solutions are the "two bucket method" and buying Ammo Hydrate. Trust me it will really change how you feel about your paint.

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not that expensive and it's the only thing my dealer and I will use on $75k+ Cars.
thanks for the info and how do you apply it and how many uses u think i can get out of a bottle? thanks for the info.
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thanks for the info and how do you apply it and how many uses u think i can get out of a bottle? thanks for the info.
Easy stuff. Just spray it on to a microfiber towel you are using to dry or directly on to the wet car right before you dry (though you will run out of product faster like this.)

Bottle has gotten me about 10-15 washes and it is worth every penny. Meguiers has come out with a similar product that you can pick up at autozone but it's not as good.

Bunch of videos on youtube about this. Best stuff is from ammonyc and chemical guys. Check those out and im sure you will find all the info you're looking for

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Paste wax can help with some small scratches also.


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There are products that fill in the very minor scratches. Certain waxes and glazes will fill them in so they are less noticeable. What you want to remember is that they are not gone, they are just hidden. If you want them ultimately gone you have to polish the clear coat.
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There are products that fill in the very minor scratches. Certain waxes and glazes will fill them in so they are less noticeable. What you want to remember is that they are not gone, they are just hidden. If you want them ultimately gone you have to polish the clear coat.
This. While polishing takes very very small amounts of clear coat away in order to level the area around the scratches, you do only have so much clear coat. So figure out what you're doing to create the swirls and stop it. Lol

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Just as a clause. I'm not a seller of this detailing product. I don't work for any detailing company. I'm not a distributor of any car care products, so here is my recommendation:

Just use Croftgate detailing products from the beginning and you won't get scratches, swirl marks will be gone, and oh that polish clean shine.

Fantastic stuff! Love it.
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over the past few months washing my car over and over has caused fine small scratches on the hood am i the only one or does every one with dark cars have that problem cause i wash my shammy many times b4 im done washing whats causing it. makes me not want to wash and i even heard that covers scratch your car worse
Have you tried the 3M scratch remover product by any chance? My understanding is, its good and works well.
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Have you tried the 3M scratch remover product by any chance? My understanding is, its good and works well.
going to have to try it then get my car waxed cause shes starting to get swirles bad
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going to have to try it then get my car waxed cause shes starting to get swirles bad
I've read it got really good reviews and does a great job removing surface scratches and swirls. At least that's what I've read, not saying its the truth. Lol
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Just wondering but has anyone here used one of those foam car shamppo gun's from Auto Geek that shoots a rich rather of cleaning solution onto the car. This looks like a good method for getting a car well lubericated so one minimizes scratching the clear coat.
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So glad I went white I don't miss the dark colored paint issues
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