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Old 05-19-2012, 12:55 AM   #1
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New Personal Best. 12.871 @ 108.08 with a 1.873 with 0 change in mods. Only thing different is I had a full tank vs in my 12.998 and 13.0s I had an almost empty tank. Car 52 obviously. Vids coming up.




The slower time is posted only to show a second 1.8XX 60. I missed 3rd and ran a 13.4

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Thanks. It is like crack. 1 MPH and .12 knocked off and I was ecstatic haha
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That's a good time. Haven't had mine to the track yet, but now I know what to shoot for. Other than suspension, we have the same set up pretty much. Still have a k&n Cai that came on car. Haven't had the time to mount my 15x10 MT , when I do I'll take it. I've raced for years just never in a car. I'll be happy with a 13.5 first time out.
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That's a good time. Haven't had mine to the track yet, but now I know what to shoot for. Other than suspension, we have the same set up pretty much. Still have a k&n Cai that came on car. Haven't had the time to mount my 15x10 MT , when I do I'll take it. I've raced for years just never in a car. I'll be happy with a 13.5 first time out.
The Verts extra weight may knock a tenth or two off my time for you but If you aren't lowered then the LCAs may not be a huge loss. With MTs you should have an advantage though. I did my runs on 275 Nitto 555 street tires at 35 PSi on 18x10s and still managed a 1.873 60'. You should easily beat that with a high dump/slip.
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I'm using frpp lcas, j&m upper, no brackets. Do you take your front swaybar off?
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No sir.
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Ordered the following:

- Shaftmasters Aluminum 1 piece driveshaft

- Steeda Charge Motion Delete plates

- Steeda Underdrive Pulleys

- Brenspeed Detroit Rocker Cams

- Pioneer AVIC X940BT

Can't wait to try it all at the track
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Tillman Speed dyno after new parts install. Power adders are Pypes Full catless exhaust. C&L Racer intake, Detroit Rocker Cams, UDPs, CMDPs and One Piece Driveshaft.

I am super satisfied with the results seeing that I have 4.10s. This is a live dyno tune from Chris Tillman, not an email tune. 93 Tune.

Track results soon I have yet to ask him about what seems to be cutting it off around 6400 when my limiter is 6700 but either way I am stoked
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12.747 @ 109.98 with dragtimes DA calculator, it was 1943 feet for this run. Their conversion was 12.463 @ 112.543 MPH.

My 60 foot was 1.894 on this one.

As humidity went up as the night progressed I made a slightly quicker pass with less MPH.

12.737 @ 109.08 with a 1.815 60' time! DA for that run was 1878 and conversion was 12.464 @ 111.523 MPH.

The reason the DA plays a huge role is because the track is 90 feet above sea level and the humidity has our DA at 1800+ Feet above sea level.

I then hot lapped that 12.737 and nailed a 1.813 60' foot. Best ever, but at that point the tranny wasn't happy and I couldn't get it into ANY GEAR without trying multiple times. Ran 13.929 @ 101.38 missing every single gear lol. Such a waste of a run since it was my best 60 to date.

I had one other run with a 1.820 60' foot time but missed 4th then let off and shifted to 5th and STILL ran a 13.037 @ 92.02.

I ran several other times but launch technique experiments ruin all the runs so I only posted those with either good times or new best 60' foot times.

Street tires and 1.81 60' foot times. I'm definitely happy about that!!
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Nice 60' keep it up.. Set a bag of ice on the intake 15 mins prior to running see if the cold air gets you a lil more... Have you experimented with your tire psi??
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Nice 60' keep it up.. Set a bag of ice on the intake 15 mins prior to running see if the cold air gets you a lil more... Have you experimented with your tire psi??
My goal is 100% untouched street trim. My 60' is on street tires so room for improvement after a 1.81 is very minimal if any. I am launching at 5k to do it. I am running 35 psi for the 1.81 as well. I will not do anything that I need to do or undo before I leave or arrive as a personal goal. Just like I will not use drag radials.

The ice idea doesn't help as much as people think because the car is operating temp after a burn out and for example, yesterday, I got out of line to cool off and when I got back in, I went from 1st in line to like 80th, by the time I got to the front I was hot all over again.

We have composite manifolds so prolonged heat soak is not an issue.
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Your launching at 5k on street tires.... You should check out a 2 step box. that way you can launch around 3800 to minimize traction loss, but have your foot on the floor to advance the computer settings.. But I know you said stock trim but it would be fun
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Your launching at 5k on street tires.... You should check out a 2 step box. that way you can launch around 3800 to minimize traction loss, but have your foot on the floor to advance the computer settings.. But I know you said stock trim but it would be fun
3800 will not yield me the 1.81. I do not have traction problems

As far as a street tire goes anyway.
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12.747 @ 109.98 with dragtimes DA calculator, it was 1943 feet for this run. Their conversion was 12.463 @ 112.543 MPH.

My 60 foot was 1.894 on this one.

As humidity went up as the night progressed I made a slightly quicker pass with less MPH.

12.737 @ 109.08 with a 1.815 60' time! DA for that run was 1878 and conversion was 12.464 @ 111.523 MPH.

The reason the DA plays a huge role is because the track is 90 feet above sea level and the humidity has our DA at 1800+ Feet above sea level.

I then hot lapped that 12.737 and nailed a 1.813 60' foot. Best ever, but at that point the tranny wasn't happy and I couldn't get it into ANY GEAR without trying multiple times. Ran 13.929 @ 101.38 missing every single gear lol. Such a waste of a run since it was my best 60 to date.

I had one other run with a 1.820 60' foot time but missed 4th then let off and shifted to 5th and STILL ran a 13.037 @ 92.02.

I ran several other times but launch technique experiments ruin all the runs so I only posted those with either good times or new best 60' foot times.

Street tires and 1.81 60' foot times. I'm definitely happy about that!!
Awesome 60ft! How the hell on streets? What are your tires and width? I need lessons
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Awesome 60ft! How the hell on streets? What are your tires and width? I need lessons
Nitto 555 Summer tires. 275/40 on 18x10

I launch at 5k RPM but I dump the initial jerk by releasing the clutch maybe 10% then slip (gradually release another 10 or 15% then dump and mash. While slipping the clutch I NEVER change my foot angle for the accelerator. I basically try to maintain 5k RPM with no dip via the slip.

Also no burn out as smoking street tires generally does NOT help but instead hurt launching. Also, going too low of PSI on street tires is extremely popular but also not much to be had there either. Everybody does it, so everyone else does it, but it isn't ideal.

I do 'clean' the tires since I HAVE to drive over the water box. I do a quick 3k dump. 1 second tops.
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Nitto 555 Summer tires. 275/40 on 18x10

I launch at 5k RPM but I dump the initial jerk by releasing the clutch maybe 10% then slip (gradually release another 10 or 15% then dump and mash. While slipping the clutch I NEVER change my foot angle for the accelerator. I basically try to maintain 5k RPM with no dip via the slip.

Also no burn out as smoking street tires generally does NOT help but instead hurt launching. Also, going too low of PSI on street tires is extremely popular but also not much to be had there either. Everybody does it, so everyone else does it, but it isn't ideal.

I do 'clean' the tires since I HAVE to drive over the water box. I do a quick 3k dump. 1 second tops.
You drive around or through the water box?

So, a little burn our just to clean of debris. Thats a good idea because after my first run, my 60ft's were slower Maybe the debris?

One of my major problems is I'll spin too much out of the hole, so I back off acceleration. When I do that, I'm surging a little, so that is wasted time too. Do you think your constant angle on the accel will help me with that. If I got up that high in RPM I would no doubt sit and spin. I need to find that happy medium. I'm running 275-40 Goodyear F1 all seasons on 17x9's.
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If I didn't drive through, i wouldn't even 'clean' them. In ATCO raceway there is no way to drive around the water, so you have to drive through, but if I could, I would drive around it.

Since you have a slimmer wheel, a little less PSI to get an ideal footprint would work. What PSI are you running? I am at 35. Came with 40 but that cause 'rounding'. 35 is nice and flat with no sag. Good for cornering and drag.

Launching high is where the best 60s will come, you just have to slip. Slipping is key.
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If I didn't drive through, i wouldn't even 'clean' them. In ATCO raceway there is no way to drive around the water, so you have to drive through, but if I could, I would drive around it.

Since you have a slimmer wheel, a little less PSI to get an ideal footprint would work. What PSI are you running? I am at 35. Came with 40 but that cause 'rounding'. 35 is nice and flat with no sag. Good for cornering and drag.

Launching high is where the best 60s will come, you just have to slip. Slipping is key.
Recommended is 31, I normally keep it here. I tried 29 on my last run, but it couldn't tell if it helped. I have an aftermarket clutch and it grabs pretty suddenly, but I might be able to play around with the slippage to see if I can grab slower.

Luckily, I can go around the water box at our track on the right side. I didn't clean'em off though, I'll try that next time.
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What was your launching technique?
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What was your launching technique?
I would try to keep the RPMs ~2000 when releasing the clutch, then roll the throttle up. But this proved to be inconsistent as I would start to spin on most occasions. So I'd either spin too much and have to try and reduce acceleration or not spin and come out too slow. I've always gone with a full tank of gas thinking that would help with traction.
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I would try to keep the RPMs ~2000 when releasing the clutch, then roll the throttle up. But this proved to be inconsistent as I would start to spin on most occasions. So I'd either spin too much and have to try and reduce acceleration or not spin and come out too slow. I've always gone with a full tank of gas thinking that would help with traction.
I have run with a full tank, but most of my runs are always from the '50 miles to empty' warning or less.

Try 1900 or try 2100 it all depends. I found with my tires I would get 2.0s and 1.99s launching at 2600. Just dumping. Then as I got power, I have to go lower and eventually learning to slip.
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I have run with a full tank, but most of my runs are always from the '50 miles to empty' warning or less.

Try 1900 or try 2100 it all depends. I found with my tires I would get 2.0s and 1.99s launching at 2600. Just dumping. Then as I got power, I have to go lower and eventually learning to slip.
I'll have to try slipping the clutch rather than messing with the gas. I seems like this would be easier on the drivetrain too as its all left up to the clutch. Hey I really appreciate the tips!
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I'll have to try slipping the clutch rather than messing with the gas. I seems like this would be easier on the drivetrain too as its all left up to the clutch. Hey I really appreciate the tips!
A good successful slip is better on the actual drivetrain but not the clutch itself lol. Trade off.
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Yeah but how long will your stock clutch last taking that beating? Slipping the clutch is very hard on it which I'm sure you know. And then a aggressive grab at 5k... Ouch,, let see some videos off the line i would like to see.
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Yeah but how long will your stock clutch last taking that beating? Slipping the clutch is very hard on it which I'm sure you know. And then a aggressive grab at 5k... Ouch,, let see some videos off the line i would like to see.
Slipping the clutch isn't easy on the clutch sure but it isn't as bad as anyone would have you believe. The slipping of the clutch is for a split/hair second then it is out and gas is mashed.

When I hot lap it by the 3rd time it does heat up but slipping the clutch for .5 seconds 4 times in 4 hours is much less damage than dropping the clutch abruptly for a burn out or launch. The clutch takes the least hit but the drive train takes the biggest
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New best again.

12.650 @ 109.09 with a mediocre 1.886 60'. I spun first and had to let off of 2nd.

I trapped 110.60X in one run but with a slower time so I didn't bother with that slip since I botched the launch and spun through 2nd. The ground was simply too cold. It was freezing this day.

Trapped near my goal. Now I just need to piece together my warm weather 1.81 60' with my cold weather trap of 110+ and I am certain I will nail my 12.399 or faster. I am losing tons of time in 2nd burning through it in cold weather.
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12.650 @ 109.09 with a mediocre 1.886 60'. I spun first and had to let off of 2nd.

I trapped 110.60X in one run but with a slower time so I didn't bother with that slip since I botched the launch and spun through 2nd. The ground was simply too cold. It was freezing this day.

Trapped near my goal. Now I just need to piece together my warm weather 1.81 60' with my cold weather trap of 110+ and I am certain I will nail my 12.399 or faster. I am losing tons of time in 2nd burning through it in cold weather.
It's amazing your doing this without drag radials, you have relocation brackets for the LCAs?
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I do. On the "neutral" hole. My best prior to Reloc Brackets is 1.89X. The brackets didn't seem to help so much in launch as they did in slamming 2nd gear.

I also run 35 PSI
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I do. On the "neutral" hole. My best prior to Reloc Brackets is 1.89X. The brackets didn't seem to help so much in launch as they did in slamming 2nd gear.

I also run 35 PSI
Nice I was looking at the white line one but it only has one mounting hole, idk if that matters
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Nice I was looking at the white line one but it only has one mounting hole, idk if that matters
More holes are more options but level is fine. if the hole is slightly off level it is better.

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Now waiting for ATCO (local track I got to) to put up their 2013 Schedule. I will try to make it up there as soon as they open. I am saving to throw a TB on and get the car redyno tuned ay a different place.
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I am going to pull the trigger next week on the FRRP Manifold, FRRP Throttle body and FRRP 4.56 gears after I complete the 'fund'. Hopefully plays well with my cams and other supporting mods. Going with a dyno tune if possible, but will throw a bama tune on just for a baseline.
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I am going to pull the trigger next week on the FRRP Manifold, FRRP Throttle body and FRRP 4.56 gears after I complete the 'fund'. Hopefully plays well with my cams and other supporting mods. Going with a dyno tune if possible, but will throw a bama tune on just for a baseline.
My buddy with bolt ons and shorty headers with 4.30s hit 12.4 on slicks, so you should hit 11s no problem
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