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Old 07-03-2012, 01:46 AM   #71
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Even the '13 GT500?
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lol oh boy. "It's not fair, put it up against the ZR1. No what? Now that's a stang eater!" My friend said that to me this morning. He's a butt hole lol
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That's the best vette they make, aside from a few after market variations, Lingerfelter, etc. BTW a Z06 is not better than 2013 GT500 at 662 Hp. And the top of the line ZR1 does not compare to the top of the line Shelby GT1000.
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:21 AM   #73
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That's the best vette they make, aside from a few after market variations, Lingerfelter, etc. BTW a Z06 is not better than 2013 GT500 at 662 Hp. And the top of the line ZR1 does not compare to the top of the line Shelby GT1000.
Actually the z06 is faster around a track than the 13 gt500 and it is also capable of 10 second quarter mile passes stock, no gt500 is capable of this. Better...that is debatable, faster...yes. As for the Shelby 1000 and zr1, well the zr1 has ran low 10s at the track and the Shelby...it's just another Shelby with to much power to put to the ground. I would love to see the Shelby 1000 run a 10 second pass bit it won't happen.
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Actually the z06 is faster around a track than the 13 gt500 and it is also capable of 10 second quarter mile passes stock, no gt500 is capable of this. Better...that is debatable, faster...yes.
It's funny though, every time I've been to the track this year, the Corvette drivers always seem to have the most trouble with their launches. Haven't seen a Z06 at the track yet though.
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A stock Z06 has 505 HP and cost $25k more than a GT500. I say the extra 160 hp should push it faster around the track. Just saying.....
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It's funny though, every time I've been to the track this year, the Corvette drivers always seem to have the most trouble with their launches. Haven't seen a Z06 at the track yet though.
That is the drivers fault. Z06 vette's have ran 10 second passes stock. No Shelby can do that, even with a pro driver.

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A stock Z06 has 505 HP and cost $25k more than a GT500. I say the extra 160 hp should push it faster around the track. Just saying.....
It doesn't, hp isn't everything. A z06 is faster than a 13gt500 and that's that.
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That is the drivers fault. Z06 vette's have ran 10 second passes stock. No Shelby can do that, even with a pro driver.

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It doesn't, hp isn't everything. A z06 is faster than a 13gt500 and that's that.
People always forget about weight and aerodynamics. Vettes are low and shaped like an arrow. Mustangs are bulky and sit higher and basically push the air rather than cut it.
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160 hp is a huge difference lol. I would have to see them race heads up to believe. There will eventually be a comparison or youtube video. We'll see then.
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160 hp is a huge difference lol. I would have to see them race heads up to believe. There will eventually be a comparison or youtube video. We'll see then.
Agreed. 160 HP isn't accomplished through weight and Aero but it compensates for a bit
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160 hp is a huge difference lol. I would have to see them race heads up to believe. There will eventually be a comparison or youtube video. We'll see then.
We already know the z06 has ran a high 10 second quarter mile pass stock. And we already know what a 13 gt 500 can run in the quarter....

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Agreed. 160 HP isn't accomplished through weight and Aero but it compensates for a bit
It is accomplished through weight, traction, Better wheels and tires and gearing.
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What does the 2013 GT500 run?
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We already know the z06 has ran a high 10 second quarter mile pass stock. And we already know what a 13 gt 500 can run in the quarter....

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It is accomplished through weight, traction, Better wheels and tires and gearing.
To a degree but 160 HP can't be completely compensated unless a lot of work is done IMO. Its like telling a v6 that it can beat a n/a cobra by putting down traction, gears and more aerodynamics. Possible, yet unlikely.
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It doesnt make sense to me either. Maybe they are thinking of 2012 GT500 with 550hp.
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Who said zr1? And the gt500 is the price point of a z06 corvette which beats the gt500 everywhere stock vs stock
Put some miles on one of them POS and get back with us. They were ment to be garage queens. I've owned two in the past and they were both POS.
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Lol, it accomplishes it through better braking lol, ahhhh hahahaha.
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The z06 is an all around better car...
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The z06 is an all around better car...
+1 I just thought the new GT500 was finally competing in some aspects. Doesn't seem like it
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It's funny how, when ever the GT500 is brought up it always ends up being compared to a Corvette!... Lol. The two are not even in the same class of vehicle!.. Lol.
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It's funny how, when ever the GT500 is brought up it always ends up being compared to a Corvette!... Lol. The two are not even in the same class of vehicle!.. Lol.
It kinda seemed like that is where Ford was heading, to me anyway. I say that because it was dubbing it as the first 200MPH Mustang and having the more advanced handling, etc.
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It kinda seemed like that is where Ford was heading, to me anyway. I say that because it was dubbing it as the first 200MPH Mustang and having the more advanced handling, etc.
The thing is that Ford doesn't really build anything to compete against anything!.. They simply build what sells!.. Trying to keep things as affordable as possible!.. Ford is more like the company that builds something, it sells well, then others build to compete against it!..
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Who said zr1? And the gt500 is the price point of a z06 corvette which beats the gt500 everywhere stock vs stock
If you're talking new then you're wrong. The gt500 is about 50k while the Z06 2013 STARTS at 75k.
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Im not knocking the Z06, wish I could afford one, what I'm saying is that how in the hell can it beat something with 160 more hp. That shouldnt happen. Chevy Camaro came out in 2010 and beat the v6 and v8 mustangs in Hp and mpg, all of a sudden 2011 mustangs stepped up their game big time. Had to point that out
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Im not knocking the Z06, wish I could afford one, what I'm saying is that how in the hell can it beat something with 160 more hp. That shouldnt happen. Chevy Camaro came out in 2010 and beat the v6 and v8 mustangs in Hp and mpg, all of a sudden 2011 mustangs stepped up their game big time. Had to point that out
Because it weighs half as much and has better aerodynamics than a brick...hp isn't everything..
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Im not knocking the Z06, wish I could afford one, what I'm saying is that how in the hell can it beat something with 160 more hp. That shouldnt happen. Chevy Camaro came out in 2010 and beat the v6 and v8 mustangs in Hp and mpg, all of a sudden 2011 mustangs stepped up their game big time. Had to point that out
The reason why the Z06 can beat the Shelby is because it is lighter, more arrowdinamic, better gearing, better suspension setup (lower center of gravity too), better power to weight ratio, and it is easier to get the power to the ground in a Corvette!.. The Corvette is built to be an all around fast car, both on the track and at the strip!.. Were as the Mustang is essentially a two door sedan that is made to be fun and sporty to drive!..
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My buddy just explained to me that it's due to the way they rate the HP. Chevy rates HP to the wheel and Ford rates it at the crank. Going by that they have close to the same HP. In that case the Z06 should be faster. Is there any truth to this?
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My buddy just explained to me that it's due to the way they rate the HP. Chevy rates HP to the wheel and Ford rates it at the crank. Going by that they have close to the same HP. In that case the Z06 should be faster. Is there any truth to this?
Lol no.
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I didn't think that was true. I was poling around the internet and I see there is a special edition 2012 z06 that ran 11.1 in the quarter and the rest of them ran 11.8 and up. The 2013 Shelby tuns 11.2-11.5. I will keep looking for you 10 sec guy.
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I didn't think that was true. I was poling around the internet and I see there is a special edition 2012 z06 that ran 11.1 in the quarter and the rest of them ran 11.8 and up. The 2013 Shelby tuns 11.2-11.5. I will keep looking for you 10 sec guy.
Factory shelby is 11.9. Sticky tires is where those lower numbers came from
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Factory shelby is 11.9. Sticky tires is where those lower numbers came from
Motor Trend actually did a 11.2 in a 2013 GT500!.. And it was straight from the showroom floor!..

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My buddy just explained to me that it's due to the way they rate the HP. Chevy rates HP to the wheel and Ford rates it at the crank. Going by that they have close to the same HP. In that case the Z06 should be faster. Is there any truth to this?
Both are rated at the crank!.. Not at the wheel!...
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0-60 times (website) claims 2013 gt500 is 0-60 in 3.6 and quarter in 11.5.
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I didn't think that was true. I was poling around the internet and I see there is a special edition 2012 z06 that ran 11.1 in the quarter and the rest of them ran 11.8 and up. The 2013 Shelby tuns 11.2-11.5. I will keep looking for you 10 sec guy.
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0-60 times (website) claims 2013 gt500 is 0-60 in 3.6 and quarter in 11.5.
The GT500 will knock out a mid 11. We do not know the full slip details to know if there is more in there.
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Re: ZL1/GT500

GT500 2 out of 3 with two sub par drivers. The GT500 tried to pull a fast one with DRs which were not agreed upon BUT the MPH puts all doubt to rest. 124+ for the GT500 and 111+ for the ZL1.

the 60s were all over the place. ATCO's FB has all the details.



Run #1 GT500: .388 2.229 5.420 8.007 91.81 10.267 12.136 122.01 / ZL1 .464 2.333 5.800 8.572 89.12 10.943 12.941 112.10

Run #2 GT500: .237 1.947 5.121 7.622 96.54 9.797 11.618 124.78 / ZL1 .651 2.203 5.682 8.466 88.92 10.838 12.837 111.55

I couldn't find Run 3 info.

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GT500 2 out of 3 with two sub par drivers. The GT500 tried to pull a fast one with DRs which were not agreed upon BUT the MPH puts all doubt to rest. 124+ for the GT500 and 111+ for the ZL1.

the 60s were all over the place. ATCO's FB has all the details.

Run #1 GT500: .388 2.229 5.420 8.007 91.81 10.267 12.136 122.01 / ZL1 .464 2.333 5.800 8.572 89.12 10.943 12.941 112.10

Run #2 GT500: .237 1.947 5.121 7.622 96.54 9.797 11.618 124.78 / ZL1 .651 2.203 5.682 8.466 88.92 10.838 12.837 111.55

I couldn't find Run 3 info.

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