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Old 11-08-2012, 12:52 PM   #1
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Mustang GT vs. the World

What can a stock GT compete with? I've been looking around in my area and see M3s, 6.4L Challengers, Camaro SSs, WRX STIs, Evos, etc. If anyone can tell me what I can hang with out of experience then that would be great! Also, stories would be cool too.
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I have just an axleback and I can hang with them but depending how modded they are..
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Hang as in like a course track made for handling or just straight away?
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It depends on if their stock or not, and what they have on their ride.. especially when it comes down to the import tuners.
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i have a 11 GT with the Brembo pkg and 3.73's.
My only mods are Roush axel backs and a K&N drop in airfilter. I have pulled on every car you listed there.
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On closed courses I have beaten c5 vetts and am about even with c5 z06's. Camero's and challengers arnt even really a race. Have neve raced a new m3 but can smoke the older ones. Then again I did get walked but my friends 5.0. AGAIN ALL THIS ON A CLOSED COURSE, absolutely zero street racing
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In straight away yea but in twist and turns evo's and subi's will own
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On closed courses I have beaten c5 vetts and am about even with c5 z06's. Camero's and challengers arnt even really a race. Have neve raced a new m3 but can smoke the older ones. Then again I did get walked but my friends 5.0. AGAIN ALL THIS ON A CLOSED COURSE, absolutely zero street racing
What do you mean by the camaros and challengers not being a race? Like you smoked them?
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Yes I haven't raced a 392 challenger but the regular srt challenger and camero ss arnt even close
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In straight away yea but in twist and turns evo's and subi's will own
i disagree....you take a stock evo or sti and put it against a stock GT on a racetrack the HP advantage will overcome
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i disagree....you take a stock evo or sti and put it against a stock GT on a racetrack the HP advantage will overcome
I'm sorry but no I have seen it with my eyes at my auto x. Still have the numbers to show it. In like laguna seca yea the 5.0 power will win but not in sharp turns like auto x.
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I will say that I have our handled a 350z on a mountain road. Again I was not street racing, have never and will never street race.

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I will say that I have our handled a 350z on a mountain road. Again I was not street racing, have never and will never street race.
Don't mean to keep harping on that but I was pulled over for going 5 over the limit a week after I pulled over for supposedly street racing and the cop told me they monitor the forums and Facebook so really have to make my self clear
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i disagree....you take a stock evo or sti and put it against a stock GT on a racetrack the HP advantage will overcome
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Hang as in like a course track made for handling or just straight away?
For drag racing.
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I have heard that the new Challengers do 12.4 1/4 miles. Anyone have a N/A stang that runs flat 12s? And what mods to get there.
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For drag racing.
Straight away you should get them. The 392 ran a what 13.0 flat?
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The Camaros and Challengers are pigs. They're heavy. I've got a buddy with a new Camaro. M6, Kooks LT's, full exhaust, 4.10s, suspension, few other boltons and tuned by another buddy. We've both ride in each others cars and feel it'd be close. Never lined them up though.
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I have heard that the new Challengers do 12.4 1/4 miles. Anyone have a N/A stang that runs flat 12s? And what mods to get there.
I ran 12.538 on street tires with CAI/93r tune (bama) and Corsa AB/X PIPE( stock cats in place). 1/2 tank or more of 93 Octane , a fat driver, and 110+ track temp with 95% humidity at sea level.

With similar setup and drag radials (and cooler temps), low 12's/high 11's should be possible.
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i disagree....you take a stock evo or sti and put it against a stock GT on a racetrack the HP advantage will overcome
Stock evo? No way. That comes from having driven a friends evo RS. I think it was rs. It was the version with everything stripped like radio and what not. That sucker can take turns like no other car I have ever been in.

If I didn't deteste the newer body style and the fact they are not a muscle car and the fact that they are the most uncomfortable car to be in for ride smoothness I was interested in buying one.
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Stock evo? No way. That comes from having driven a friends evo RS. I think it was rs. It was the version with everything stripped like radio and what not. That sucker can take turns like no other car I have ever been in.

If I didn't deteste the newer body style and the fact they are not a muscle car and the fact that they are the most uncomfortable car to be in for ride smoothness I was interested in buying one.
Haha, sounds to me like you'd buy an evo if you didn't hate everything about it lol
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Haha, sounds to me like you'd buy an evo if you didn't hate everything about it lol
If it wasn't a daily driver and I could buy an 07 I'd be all for it. No way I'd drive my 50 miles round trip with work in that car. Lol.
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What can a stock GT compete with? I've been looking around in my area and see M3s, 6.4L Challengers, Camaro SSs, WRX STIs, Evos, etc. If anyone can tell me what I can hang with out of experience then that would be great! Also, stories would be cool too.
I've beat all of those stock for stock before and after my cat backs.
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Current M3 has a v8. Car mags win by a landslide, not sure if anyone here is really talking stock for stock... If i am not mistaken, OP said stock. Lower it (ford has a ridiculous height to make it feel good and not hit the curb when you pull into a parking space) and I think you have a different ball game but still very, very, very close in handling.
BMW does turbos like Chevy does diesels... Chitty. I had a 335i '09. I was invited to join a class action lawsuit due to the faulty turbo. Really should have. Sometimes it gets up and goes, sometimes it bogs and 3 times in 9 months it almost stalled. These are all times I stood on the accelerator from a stand-still. Obama CAFE standards and Euro standards mean the M3 will be sporting turbo sixers again.... When that happens, it will be game over

Evos and STIs will hang, by the official numbers, neck and neck (4.5-4.7). However, I know from drivers they are difficult to launch and inconsistent.

I really want to know about the stock vs stock on the 392s. I am a car guy, love all cars. All cars except those fat, stupid sailboat, girls like 'me cuz they look good', stupid truck-sized cars. I am not biased
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I beat John deer tractors all day long. Combines on the other hand are pretty tough
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I beat John deer tractors all day long. Combines on the other hand are pretty tough
Haha!
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Current M3 has a v8. Car mags win by a landslide, not sure if anyone here is really talking stock for stock... If i am not mistaken, OP said stock. Lower it (ford has a ridiculous height to make it feel good and not hit the curb when you pull into a parking space) and I think you have a different ball game but still very, very, very close in handling.
BMW does turbos like Chevy does diesels... Chitty. I had a 335i '09. I was invited to join a class action lawsuit due to the faulty turbo. Really should have. Sometimes it gets up and goes, sometimes it bogs and 3 times in 9 months it almost stalled. These are all times I stood on the accelerator from a stand-still. Obama CAFE standards and Euro standards mean the M3 will be sporting turbo sixers again.... When that happens, it will be game over

Evos and STIs will hang, by the official numbers, neck and neck (4.5-4.7). However, I know from drivers they are difficult to launch and inconsistent.

I really want to know about the stock vs stock on the 392s. I am a car guy, love all cars. All cars except those fat, stupid sailboat, girls like 'me cuz they look good', stupid truck-sized cars. I am not biased
I never had a problem launching my friends evo. What I have heard tho is that they are a pain to tune if your not going to keep them stock. I've heard many a horror stories concerning tuning them. Also when the evo was mentioned I think it was more to do with on a track. Our cars couldn't touch an evo on a track.
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I never had a problem launching my friends evo. What I have heard tho is that they are a pain to tune if your not going to keep them stock. I've heard many a horror stories concerning tuning them. Also when the evo was mentioned I think it was more to do with on a track. Our cars couldn't touch an evo on a track.
In car and driver lightning lap, the evo did 2:14 and the 5.0 did 2:9 so they are faster.
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I got the numbers wrong the first time by there are the times. The 5.0 they tested was not even the track package just a brembo package with out the 3.73 gears.
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I will say that I have our handled a 350z on a mountain road. Again I was not street racing, have never and will never street race.

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Don't mean to keep harping on that but I was pulled over for going 5 over the limit a week after I pulled over for supposedly street racing and the cop told me they monitor the forums and Facebook so really have to make my self clear
And besides, it's against forum rules to discuss street racing of any kind on Mustang Evolution.
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I have heard that the new Challengers do 12.4 1/4 miles. Anyone have a N/A stang that runs flat 12s? And what mods to get there.
Whoever told u this, he lies

The major car mags are either really good at driving or willing to post manufacturer numbers as their own. With stock rubber, most people have a real hard time hooking up, but these guys always put up numbers that are basically at the edge of the threshold for the car they are testing. FWIW, they had 12.74 for the 13 gt.

Saw a 392 at the races this weekend. Looks cool, like a cool boat


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Whoever told u this, he lies

The major car mags are either really good at driving or willing to post manufacturer numbers as their own. With stock rubber, most people have a real hard time hooking up, but these guys always put up numbers that are basically at the edge of the threshold for the car they are testing. FWIW, they had 12.74 for the 13 gt.

Saw a 392 at the races this weekend. Looks cool, like a cool boat

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/dodg...srt-8_392.html http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_gt_50.html That's one fast boat.
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Fair enough, but still a boat

5 flat on the 0-60 (100kmph is essentially 62mph) is not ideal. Picks it up by the time a quarter goes by. At 50+ tho, this is an answer to a question people asked 5 years ago. The Shelby is in the price range but it competes wit the 5.0?
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Fair enough, but still a boat

5 flat on the 0-60 (100kmph is essentially 62mph) is not ideal. Picks it up by the time a quarter goes by. At 50+ tho, this is an answer to a question people asked 5 years ago. The Shelby is in the price range but it competes wit the 5.0?
Everyone always does that. That take cars they "don't want to shame" and pit them up against cheaper cars and go, "wow cannot believe the car lost!"

My favorite that does this is motortrend. They love to tear ford apart left and right and love putting lower end fords up against high end dodge and cheverlet and what not.
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