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Old 09-01-2013, 10:31 AM   #71
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It will not beat a new edge and the v6 does not run 13s stock

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Theirs so many different makes of cars that this is a hard question to answer. Be more specific about which cars are around you.
I've seen it first hand. 2011 auto v6 stock vs 03 GT with CAI. And the v6 stomped it.
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Well for you buddy, I'll list some cars that were mentioned in the previous posts that CAN beat the v6.
300gt vr4
S2000
370z
Challenger rt
Subaru wrx/ sti
Lancer Evo
NSX (I don't know what the guy was thinking, mentioning a super car next to a v6 mustang)
If you guys don't believe me do some research. Also don't say it depends on the driver because that's not what the OP asked. Thanks.
I would say the pp 3.7 vs the challenger rt is a tie depending on the year of the challenger or a win because they both get 13.7 best but some year rts get less than that. And I stopped an rt at the 1/8. And let's be honest about the s2000. Stock for stock in the same conditions the 3.7 would have it every time.
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I would say the pp 3.7 vs the challenger rt is a tie depending on the year of the challenger or a win because they both get 13.7 best but some year rts get less than that. And I stopped an rt at the 1/8. And let's be honest about the s2000. Stock for stock in the same conditions the 3.7 would have it every time.
Motortrend tested the 2011 challenger rt at 13.5 @ 105.9. I will say that the automatic is a bit slower. I test drove the challenger rt and srt-8, camaro SS and 2SS, genesis v6, g37 and bought my 2013 GT. The challenger is a boat on wheel but very "torquey"(if that's a word I can use). Also I'm not saying the mustang can't beat these cars at all, I'm answering the OPs question without taking the drivers for consideration.
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Motortrend tested the 2011 challenger rt at 13.5 @ 105.9. I will say that the automatic is a bit slower. I test drove the challenger rt and srt-8, camaro SS and 2SS, genesis v6, g37 and bought my 2013 GT. The challenger is a boat on wheel but very "torquey"(if that's a word I can use). Also I'm not saying the mustang can't beat these cars at all, I'm answering the OPs question without taking the drivers for consideration.
But like I said a 2009 challenger rt from motortrend ran at 13.8. So we are both right
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But like I said a 2009 challenger rt from motortrend ran at 13.8. So we are both right
True true lol.
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But like I said a 2009 challenger rt from motortrend ran at 13.8. So we are both right
And that's with 3.91 gears in it haha
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I don't care what anyone says I love the Challengers. They are heavy and need some serious power/gears to get going but there are plenty of enthusiast owned ones that will put a hurt on just about anything they come across. There is a good deal of aftermarket out there for them.
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I don't care what anyone says I love the Challengers. They are heavy and need some serious power/gears to get going but there are plenty of enthusiast owned ones that will put a hurt on just about anything they come across. There is a good deal of aftermarket out there for them.
I'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way. Dodge did good with those cars. 90% of mustang owners hate on uhm, but they might just surprise you. A few months ago i saw a younger teen in a new GT, lined up to a Challenger at a light, doing the whole, "I'm going to rev until you race me." Let me tell you, that challenger got the most ungodly strong launch i'd ever seen. Guy in the challenger pulled off into the walmart parking lot like he didn't even just embarrass the kid.
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I'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way. Dodge did good with those cars. 90% of mustang owners hate on uhm, but they might just surprise you. A few months ago i saw a younger teen in a new GT, lined up to a Challenger at a light, doing the whole, "I'm going to rev until you race me." Let me tell you, that challenger got the most ungodly strong launch i'd ever seen. Guy in the challenger pulled off into the walmart parking lot like he didn't even just embarrass the kid.
Exactly!! Challenger isn't the only hated car here lol there's many more. I think we should appreciate other cars because they are the reason mustangs improve to where they are now. I love every car maker because they each have their own great cars.
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Well for you buddy, I'll list some cars that were mentioned in the previous posts that CAN beat the v6.
300gt vr4
S2000
370z
Challenger rt
Subaru wrx/ sti
Lancer Evo
NSX (I don't know what the guy was thinking, mentioning a super car next to a v6 mustang)
If you guys don't believe me do some research. Also don't say it depends on the driver because that's not what the OP asked. Thanks.
An NSX is most certainly not anything I would remotely call a "super car" in a straight line race. Considering that the original NSX (91-96) only had 260hp, 210lbs-ft and were well tested and only went on average, 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, and the 1/4 in 13.8 @ 102 mph.

The 97-03 got a power boost (290hp and 224lbs-ft and a close ratio 6spd manual. They were known to go 0-60 in 5.0 and run the 1/4 in 13.5 @ 105.

Not exactly "super car" worthy numbers. There are other variants which are faster (some capable of high 12s) but those variants never made it to the states.

The other cars listed are a close enough race that at the drag strip or anywhere else, a good driver in the 3.7 could take out a bad or average driver in one of the other cars listed. With equal drivers, the Mustang could lose.
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An NSX is most certainly not anything I would remotely call a "super car" in a straight line race. Considering that the original NSX (91-96) only had 260hp, 210lbs-ft and were well tested and only went on average, 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, and the 1/4 in 13.8 @ 102 mph.

The 97-03 got a power boost (290hp and 224lbs-ft and a close ratio 6spd manual. They were known to go 0-60 in 5.0 and run the 1/4 in 13.5 @ 105.

Not exactly "super car" worthy numbers. There are other variants which are faster (some capable of high 12s) but those variants never made it to the states.

The other cars listed are a close enough race that at the drag strip or anywhere else, a good driver in the 3.7 could take out a bad or average driver in one of the other cars listed. With equal drivers, the Mustang could lose.
Hey man, honestly you need to learn about some history. Do some research on what standard the nsx set. If you don't consider the nsx a "supercar" then I'm not gonna waste my time explaining to you. Have a good day.
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Hey man, honestly you need to learn about some history. Do some research on what standard the nsx set. If you don't consider the nsx a "supercar" then I'm not gonna waste my time explaining to you. Have a good day.
I thinks its fair to refer to it as a Supercar, at least historically speaking. The 90's didn't exactly light up the track. It was all aluminum, the first Vtech in America, designed to compete against the Ferraris, just cheaper. Kind of the GTR of its day. That begs the question, is the GTR a supercar?
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I thinks its fair to refer to it as a Supercar, at least historically speaking. The 90's didn't exactly light up the track. It was all aluminum, the first Vtech in America, designed to compete against the Ferraris, just cheaper. Kind of the GTR of its day. That begs the question, is the GTR a supercar?
Yes gtr is considered a supercar on a budget. It has one of the fastest times on the nurburgring. Its has near 550 HP and all wheel drive. Its in top 10 in every performance category.
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An NSX is most certainly not anything I would remotely call a "super car" in a straight line race. Considering that the original NSX (91-96) only had 260hp, 210lbs-ft and were well tested and only went on average, 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, and the 1/4 in 13.8 @ 102 mph.

The 97-03 got a power boost (290hp and 224lbs-ft and a close ratio 6spd manual. They were known to go 0-60 in 5.0 and run the 1/4 in 13.5 @ 105.

Not exactly "super car" worthy numbers. There are other variants which are faster (some capable of high 12s) but those variants never made it to the states.

The other cars listed are a close enough race that at the drag strip or anywhere else, a good driver in the 3.7 could take out a bad or average driver in one of the other cars listed. With equal drivers, the Mustang could lose.
5.0 0-60 and 13.5 in the quarter mile for 290 hp and 220lbs of torque? For it's time it was damn quick, and I can bet that Honda had no intention whatsoever of setting it up for the quarter mile. It's known for being one of the most balanced cars EVER made to this day, as well as one of the most confident feeling cars in the twisties. And one of the best handling as well. I also feel like somone who buys an NSX is quite the enthusiast and would know how to drive as well. I could be wrong though. I understand your point of saying it might not be a super car in a straight line. But for it's time it was fast.
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Yes gtr is considered a supercar on a budget. It has one of the fastest times on the nurburgring. Its has near 550 HP and all wheel drive. Its in top 10 in every performance category.
I agree. Best car in the world for the money.
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Hey man, honestly you need to learn about some history. Do some research on what standard the nsx set. If you don't consider the nsx a "supercar" then I'm not gonna waste my time explaining to you. Have a good day.
I am familiar with the history of the NSX, at the time, it was quite impressive. However, now, the car is rather underperforming, especially in a straight line.

The NSX weighed 3000 - 3100 lbs. A car that weighs that much, with as much power as it had (270 - 290) does not make it a supercar what so ever.

The NSX power to weight - 10.34 - 11.48lbs/HP. (3000lbs/290hp - 3100lbs/270hp)

A 3.7 Mustang, loaded with PP - 11.47lbs/HP (3500lbs/305hp)

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1991 NSX - 0 - 60 = 5.6, 1/4 = 13.7 @ 102
2002 NSX (remember this is the fast NSX) - 0-60 = 5.0, 1/4 = 13.4 @ 105.9

1991 NSX
1991 Acura NSX vs. 2012 Audi R8

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http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...rrera_data.pdf

2011 Mustang V6 PP - 0 - 60 = 5.1, 1/4 = 13.7 @ 102

2011 Ford Mustang V-6 test numbers - Motor Trend

Judging from those numbers, I would be confident in calling this one a drivers race.
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I am familiar with the history of the NSX, at the time, it was quite impressive. However, now, the car is rather underperforming, especially in a straight line.

The NSX weighed 3000 - 3100 lbs. A car that weighs that much, with as much power as it had (270 - 290) does not make it a supercar what so ever.

The NSX power to weight - 10.34 - 11.48lbs/HP. (3000lbs/290hp - 3100lbs/270hp)

A 3.7 Mustang, loaded with PP - 11.47lbs/HP (3500lbs/305hp)

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1991 NSX - 0 - 60 = 5.6, 1/4 = 13.7 @ 102
2002 NSX (remember this is the fast NSX) - 0-60 = 5.0, 1/4 = 13.4 @ 105.9

1991 NSX
1991 Acura NSX vs. 2012 Audi R8

2002 NSX
http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...rrera_data.pdf

2011 Mustang V6 PP - 0 - 60 = 5.1, 1/4 = 13.7 @ 102

2011 Ford Mustang V-6 test numbers - Motor Trend

Judging from those numbers, I would be confident in calling this one a drivers race.
All that looking up number and yet you don't even know why the car is considered super car.
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Also I'm not going on saying it's impossible to beat this car. Its very disappointing to see someone compare a NSX compared to a mustang. Like a I said earlier, I own a mustang but I would never try to compare anything to a nsx even if mine is faster. This car is still to the this day in most car enthusiast's Top 5 cars of all time. That's all.
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Also I'm not going on saying it's impossible to beat this car. Its very disappointing to see someone compare a NSX compared to a mustang. Like a I said earlier, I own a mustang but I would never try to compare anything to a nsx even if mine is faster. This car is still to the this day in most car enthusiast's Top 5 cars of all time. That's all.
Yet its still just a pos Honda IMO
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Yet its still just a pos Honda IMO
Yet you are what makes mustang driver look bad.
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Yet you are what makes mustang driver look bad.
Why because i dislike hondas?
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Also I'm not going on saying it's impossible to beat this car. Its very disappointing to see someone compare a NSX compared to a mustang. Like a I said earlier, I own a mustang but I would never try to compare anything to a nsx even if mine is faster. This car is still to the this day in most car enthusiast's Top 5 cars of all time. That's all.
The only thing that's disappointing is that a V6 Mustang is actually comparable to a "super car".

If anything, I would say this simply shows the progress that car manufacturers have achieved in 20 years.
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