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Old 01-05-2014, 10:55 AM   #36
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Did anybody read stock for stock the vid I posted shows how close the race between a stock manual 5.0 vs a very little modded auto so to say the auto will smoke a manual is just bull
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Stock for stock put the same driver in both cars and run the 1/4 mile in each and see which one pulled the better times.
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Stock for stock put the same driver in both cars and run the 1/4 mile in each and see which one pulled the better times.
So your saying in stock form its a drivers race?

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And again how many autos do you see go to the track with out a tune for the auto trans to help it shift harder and faster
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So your saying in stock form its a drivers race?

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And again how many autos do you see go to the track with out a tune for the auto trans to help it shift harder and faster

I'm saying take any driver error out of the results.

And when I go to the strip I see very few manuals. All autos
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I'm saying take any driver error out of the results.

And when I go to the strip I see very few manuals. All autos
Then if you take out any driver error it will be close every time.
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Then if you take out any driver error it will be close every time.

Yea I'm not saying it's going to be just a huge landslide. But the auto given everything else equal will win.

I drive a manual, it may not be the 5.0, but a manual nonetheless and I found out very quickly that the same cars with autos will win in the 1/4 mile...
That is after 05 when you no longer had to J mod your tranny to make it shift good.
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http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...g/viewall.html

Here's an article I found quite surprising.
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Here's an article I found quite surprising.
Cool thanks for the read!
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I was LOVING this article until I read they have different gearing.

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I was LOVING this article until I read they have different gearing.

Dear article: C'mon son.
Yes 3.15 is a pretty big diff from 3.55s
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5.0 Manual vs auto stock for stock

And they decide to tell you in the last friggin' paragraph. But still, i was pretty surprised at some of the outcomes.

I believe this was done right as they released the 11-14 model, and had just started tuning it. I'm sure by now they've probably figured out how to shave off a few additional tenths with both the auto and manuals.
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Yes 3.15 is a pretty big diff from 3.55s

Just remember though the way both trannys are geared a 3.15 in the auto would be around a 3.4-3.5 in the manual so it's still fairly accurate.
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Yes 3.15 is a pretty big diff from 3.55s
I agree, but even 3.54 and 3.55 throws off a comparison like this. For their detail and alleged quality, they should have been the same. I was wondering how torque and horsepower could be so different. FIGURED IT OUT! lol
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Yeah I got you...and agree! But some people seem to make excuses for what is obviously wrong. A modern automatic can shift faster than a human, its a computer versus human thought and reflexes, we lose. It's like trying to be faster than a calculator at math. You won't win. haha There's no room for an argument.

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human calculator truly amazing - YouTube

There is somebody faster than a calculator lol
Annnnnd my argument is invalid.

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Its not just all about shifting, the converter is going to make the auto come off the line harder than any stick ever could. You have torque multiplication with the auto, the stick is just 1:1.

Like I've been saying this whole thread ppl who have obviously never been to the track probably should just stop talking.
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Its not just all about shifting, the converter is going to make the auto come off the line harder than any stick ever could. You have torque multiplication with the auto, the stick is just 1:1.

Like I've been saying this whole thread ppl who have obviously never been to the track probably should just stop talking.
Did you watch the vid?
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Did you watch the vid?
Of what the dude doing math? What's your point?
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Of what the dude doing math? What's your point?
No of the auto vs manual lol
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No lol
Its true
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No of the auto vs manual lol

Yea it looked like 2 different people racing. Only way to really compare the actual car and it's transmission is to have the same driver. That's why Top Gear uses just 1 driver for their course, The Stig... Same concept applies to this.
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Yea it looked like 2 different people racing. Only way to really compare the actual car and it's transmission is to have the same driver. That's why Top Gear uses just 1 driver for their course, The Stig... Same concept applies to this.
Yes true so there is not enough evidence to say that one is faster then the other
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It's impossible to miss a shift in an auto
False. Ratchet shifter. And no not the stupid slang term.

I had a Hurst Dual Gate shifter in my automatic Z28 a few years ago. It loved going from 1st to 3rd gear or 2nd to 4th if I pushed it too hard. Made me rage so hard when it would go from 4500rpm to 1500rpms during a race.
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I don't know what some people are smoking on here but the stock auto will not skull **** the sticks in the 1/4 mile. I have been to the track and stock auto's with street tires don't run mid 12's. With a tune the auto's run neck and neck with the manual and are more consistent. Hot rod magazine did a test of a stock 3:73 manual and a stock auto and the stick spanked the auto. Then they ran both with a tune. The fastest run was with the manual but the auto with the tune ran more consistent.
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I own a manual and race often. With the MT82 vs the auto, the auto is faster. With the Tremec T56 it's the manual and it's a slaughter. In case everyone here doesn't know it, Modern Driveline now sells the Tremec XL trans for the V6. Shift with a finger.
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I own a manual and race often. With the MT82 vs the auto, the auto is faster. With the Tremec T56 it's the manual and it's a slaughter. In case everyone here doesn't know it, Modern Driveline now sells the Tremec XL trans for the V6. Shift with a finger.
With my manual I have only lost to an auto with a tune and gears and I'm stock with 3.31 MT82. I did add a Barton bracket.
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Fast ford test not more smoke from the people with autos. Cars were run in 90 degree temp

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I guess I'm lying then. Whatever you want to believe. If you want to go fast and win in the 1/4 mile you need an auto. The faster you go bigger the disparity. A manual car running in the 10s can drop almost a full second off the 1/4 time just going to an automatic and that's just fact.
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Fast ford test not more smoke from the people with autos. Cars were run in 90 degree temp

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The manual had 3.55 where as the auto had 3.15...

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I guess I'm lying then. Whatever you want to believe. If you want to go fast and win in the 1/4 mile you need an auto. The faster you go bigger the disparity. A manual car running in the 10s can drop almost a full second off the 1/4 time just going to an automatic and that's just fact.

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I guess I'm lying then. Whatever you want to believe. If you want to go fast and win in the 1/4 mile you need an auto. The faster you go bigger the disparity. A manual car running in the 10s can drop almost a full second off the 1/4 time just going to an automatic and that's just fact.
Yes a 10sec car with a built up auto. But a stock 13 and 12sec auto no. The new 6 speed auto is such an improvement over the old auto's. With a tune the new auto can run. But as long as you can shift the race is in yours.
The old 4 speed auto's in the 90's were so slow a v6 would beat them at the time with 8 sec 0-60 times. You had to change gears then you were screaming in the rpms on the highway.

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The manual had 3.55 where as the auto had 3.15...

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Yes a 10sec car with a built up auto. But a stock 13 and 12sec auto no. The new 6 speed auto is such an improvement over the old auto's. With a tune the new auto can run. But as long as you can shift the race is in yours.
The old 4 speed auto's in the 90's were so slow a v6 would beat them at the time with 8 sec 0-60 times. You had to change gears then you were screaming in the rpms on the highway.

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With the same gearing the auto would win damn near every time. Auto is the best way to go for a serious 1/8, 1000', and 1/4 racer. I have a manual and got destroyed by a stock 01 auto with a j mod in the 1/4... Ive seen ,on numerous occasions, autos with loads less power destroy a manual thats modded out
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There is a huge dead spot from 20-30mph in the new auto. There is also a delay when you put the pedal to the floor.
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Again people are going into lala land. The op asked witch is faster a stock auto vs stock manual again stock not a 10 sec car not a j modded car a stock 5.0
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This thread went all over the place.
The manual is better in the snow too lol
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This thread went all over the place.
The manual is better in the snow too lol
Lol and true
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