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Old 01-05-2014, 09:13 PM   #71
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Yepp. It left the facts and is now on driver, and this and that.
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It's nice to have options that are competitive.
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Yeah I got you...and agree! But some people seem to make excuses for what is obviously wrong. A modern automatic can shift faster than a human, its a computer versus human thought and reflexes, we lose. It's like trying to be faster than a calculator at math. You won't win. haha There's no room for an argument.
Actually there is one man who is faster than like Yale students or something with calculators. He was on that superhuman show.
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Actually there is one man who is faster than like Yale students or something with calculators. He was on that superhuman show.
Lol okay I'll think of a new analogy and get back to you all.
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Auto drivers get to put two hands on the wheel.

Just sayin . . .
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Auto drivers get to put two hands on the wheel.



Just sayin . . .

I guess auto drivers would need both hands on the wheel.lol
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Just sayin . . .
And if that means they have a car that'll run a faster ET mod for mod then I'll take it.
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And if that means they have a car that'll run a faster ET mod for mod then I'll take it.

Got a ? Say you have a mach 1 5speed vs a auto the auto from factory is slower by a lot, so if you do mod for mod (without digging into the tranny) which is going to be faster?
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Well the 04 Machs (and all 2004 GT automatics as well) got a basically built transmission from the factory in the 4R75w. J-mod/converter/tune and it'll annihilate the stick shift Mach in the 1/4 all other things being equal.

I don't know why I have to keep saying this but if you want to WIN in the 1/4 mile you need to go automatic. Forget the "fun" or the "manliness" or "purist" or whatever other excuse those who are slower with more power in a stick car want to make up.

And I also keep saying that for a street car its personal preference. I personally like to engine brake and I fancy myself a road racer on exit ramps and like handling which is why I'm also doing a IRS. If I was building a car that would see a lot of 1/4 time or just wanted something to have fun light to light it would be an automatic 10/10 times.
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Got a ? Say you have a mach 1 5speed vs a auto the auto from factory is slower by a lot, so if you do mod for mod (without digging into the tranny) which is going to be faster?

The thing is with the Machs is the auto didn't come with the forged crank so it's redline isn't the same as the 5 speed. So it's not really exactly the same car with just a tranny difference.
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The thing is with the Machs is the auto didn't come with the forged crank so it's redline isn't the same as the 5 speed. So it's not really exactly the same car with just a tranny difference.
Agreed but its completely overblown. I wouln't trust those rods past what the cast crank can do anyway. You can spin the cast crank up to 6800-7k no problem. A tune for the automatic fixes the redline as well as the shift points etc...
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I had a 95 f150 stepside with a 351 in it that was fast as *ish... it was automatic and would still cherp coming out of second gear... problem was, if you lay on the throttle she would not shift in the power band and would kinda bog herself down... id have to ease off of her to get the shift and the lay back down on it....
My question is this... if autos are so much superior why in professional drags or road course racing do they use manuals (even paddles)?
Dont ****ing take my head off... its an honest question.

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I had a 95 f150 stepside with a 351 in it that was fast as *ish... it was automatic and would still cherp coming out of second gear... problem was, if you lay on the throttle she would not shift in the power band and would kinda bog herself down... id have to ease off of her to get the shift and the lay back down on it....
My question is this... if autos are so much superior why in professional drags or road course racing do they use manuals (even paddles)?
Dont ****ing take my head off... its an honest question.

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What class of NHRA are you referring to? Top fuel, funny, top alcohol dragsters, and top alcohol funny dont have transmissions. They have a multistage clutch assembly activated by timers. If a vehicle was manual you would be able to tell just by listening. As for road course manual is better due to you can choose what gear yourself you are in to stay in the power band.
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Idk about all the different NHRA classes... just referring to the fact that whenever I see pro racing they are always shifting. The majority opinion in this thread is that auto is better than manual which is opposite of what ive EVER know to be true...

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Idk about all the different NHRA classes... just referring to the fact that whenever I see pro racing they are always shifting. The majority opinion in this thread is that auto is better than manual which is opposite of what ive EVER know to be true...

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It's not that one is necessarily BETTER than the other. Manual are good on the road course and on the street where it's fun to shift and everything.

But when you start to get into high hp cars an automatic is desirable bc you do NOT want to be missing shifts in one of those things.

Also most people that drive stick can't even power shift and just look like a tool when they fail miserably at it while trying to drag race

But an automatic once you get a tune changes the sloppy stock shift points to more aggressive ones. I chirp the tires in second gear still at wot in my auto. And autos shift super ****en fast.

General consensus goes:

Manual>auto when stock
Auto>manual when modded

I have an auto now but all of my cars have always been manual

These are modern automatic transmissions. They are not those old crappy ones you grew up with. A few simple mods to the automatic tranny and it will leave your manual behind mod for mod


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Hard to get road brain in a manual!
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Hard to get road brain in a manual!

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Hard to get road brain in a manual!
Find someone with better skillz.
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5.0 Manual vs auto stock for stock

Never thought I would like an auto as much, but I love the one I have now. No regrets!
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Is it better? Idk, but I know that it is a lot of fun. Thought I would miss a manual, but I really don't.
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Lets be real here. An auto 5.0 is going to win every time because when you try to power-shift that MT82 and it blows up on you the auto will win LOL
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Lets be real here. An auto 5.0 is going to win every time because when you try to power-shift that MT82 and it blows up on you the auto will win LOL

You just won this thread.
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In all honesty....I've had 3 manuals and now my first auto. Don't regret my decision to buy it. These aren't the slush boxes of old. Canned tune keeps the car out of overdrive at crawling speeds so there is always more than enough power than I can put to the ground. Maintenance is less cause there is no clutch to burn out, won't have to replace a broken tranny and fight with fords warranty department, and got a steal on the car in the first place because it was "less desirable" (20k for an 11 gt premium, bout a year ago with 30k miles).
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In all honesty....I've had 3 manuals and now my first auto. Don't regret my decision to buy it. These aren't the slush boxes of old. Canned tune keeps the car out of overdrive at crawling speeds so there is always more than enough power than I can put to the ground. Maintenance is less cause there is no clutch to burn out, won't have to replace a broken tranny and fight with fords warranty department, and got a steal on the car in the first place because it was "less desirable" (20k for an 11 gt premium, bout a year ago with 30k miles).

+1. I don't miss my manual as much as I thought. It's still fun to drive one every now or then.
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So it comes down to preference... I absolutely love driving my manual... being so connected to my cars power, being able to drop down a gear if I wanted to hit it is a rush. Whether or not im actually faster or not doesnt really matter cause I sure feel like it with every shift... unless I miss third lmfao...

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Yup just preference or what you happened to get. I wouldn't have minded stick, but got a great deal on my auto so it's w/e


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So it comes down to preference... I absolutely love driving my manual... being so connected to my cars power, being able to drop down a gear if I wanted to hit it is a rush. Whether or not im actually faster or not doesnt really matter cause I sure feel like it with every shift... unless I miss third lmfao...

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I suppose so. But for 1/8, 1000', and 1/4 autos dominate
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So it comes down to preference... I absolutely love driving my manual... being so connected to my cars power, being able to drop down a gear if I wanted to hit it is a rush. Whether or not im actually faster or not doesnt really matter cause I sure feel like it with every shift... unless I miss third lmfao...

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I suppose so. But for 1/8, 1000', and 1/4 autos dominate
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