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Old 04-28-2014, 01:59 PM   #1
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2014 gt/cs vs 2005 gto

Going to the strip with my buddy. He has a 2005 gto with full exhaust including long tubes, k&n cai, camshaft and a tune. I am going to have a custom dyno tune, jlt cai and LCA's. Do you think he will beat me? I have 3.73's not for sure what gears he has. Both cars are manuals.
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It will be a drivers race, but I believe u might have the upper hand. Is it the 6.0 or 5.7
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As mentioned, it will be a drivers race. It also comes down to what size of cam he has. I have several friends with GTO's that are trapping mid 11's @ 120+ with just basic mods and a big cam.

BTW, the 04 GTO had the LS1. The 05/06 came with the LS2.
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As mentioned, it will be a drivers race. It also comes down to what size of cam he has. I have several friends with GTO's that are trapping mid 11's @ 120+ with just basic mods and a big cam.

BTW, the 04 GTO had the LS1. The 05/06 came with the LS2.
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This will be tough, and down to who launches better and doesn't miss gears.

Keep us posted and post your slip if u can.
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Since it is the 2005 model, its the 6.0. Thanks for the input
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I always wonder what is the better buy, a 98-02 F body or a 05/06 GTO with the LS2.

But yes it is a driver's race depending on his cam and tune and driving. A cam only LS2 with a tune is going to be putting down 400+ to the wheels without trying very hard. But they are heavy ****ers.
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I always wonder what is the better buy, a 98-02 F body or a 05/06 GTO with the LS2.

But yes it is a driver's race depending on his cam and tune and driving. A cam only LS2 with a tune is going to be putting down 400+ to the wheels without trying very hard. But they are heavy ****ers.
For a DD, a GTO is in my opinion one of the best cars you can buy. They ride good, have great power, look decent and are very well built. Built well enough to have you questioning if the car really came from GM.

That said, they are heavy cars (3700 - 3800 lbs).

If you want something to go ripping up the streets and tracks, an LS powered Fbody is the way to go.
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Personally, I think the GTO's look like a glorified Cavalier.

I did see one running high 11's this weekend with LT's, spray, and drag radials.
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For a DD, a GTO is in my opinion one of the best cars you can buy. They ride good, have great power, look decent and are very well built. Built well enough to have you questioning if the car really came from GM.

That said, they are heavy cars (3700 - 3800 lbs).

If you want something to go ripping up the streets and tracks, an LS powered Fbody is the way to go.
I give Holden all the credit for the GTO def not Pontiac although they are/were both GM. Imho it's hard to be sexier than a clean white on black leather WS6 tho.

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I think it may be close. I've seen a cammed LS2 run neck and neck with a 5.0. If you can launch good and hit your shifts you should beat him.
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All about the total package. A cam only LS1 with all the "bolt ons" and a tune routinely hit 400rwhp from what I have seen in my limited GM experience. Throw in a good set of gears, suspensions and good tires and that's a pretty scary street car.
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It would be a driver's race WITHOUT the cam. With the cam, he has a clean edge.

2005 GTO was 6.0

With cams and full exhaust he is an 11 second car and mid to low 11 with traction.

I would say you'll have better traction than him unless you're both running drag radials.
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Coming from an '06 LS2 with Kooks LTs and full exhaust, ported intake, cai, and a bunch of suspension mods on DRs, I consistently ran 12.40 @112. Biggest problem with the Goat is not the weight, but the massive wheel hop. It is one of the hardest cars made to run a quarter with consistent times.
As for ur question... Unless he has a bunch of seat time at the track with that car, u have the edge, even cammed imo.
As mentioned, the GTO is one of the best daily drivers out there. Good at many things, just not great at any! Sure miss mine.
Had a couple friends with TT or Supercharged with over 750rwhp, without susp help, and I out ran them on the track often.
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Coming from an '06 LS2 with Kooks LTs and full exhaust, ported intake, cai, and a bunch of suspension mods on DRs, I consistently ran 12.40 @112. Biggest problem with the Goat is not the weight, but the massive wheel hop. It is one of the hardest cars made to run a quarter with consistent times.
As for ur question... Unless he has a bunch of seat time at the track with that car, u have the edge, even cammed imo.
As mentioned, the GTO is one of the best daily drivers out there. Good at many things, just not great at any! Sure miss mine.
Had a couple friends with TT or Supercharged with over 750rwhp, without susp help, and I out ran them on the track often.
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The guys I know all replaced their half shafts with much beefier ones and then I think most of them replaced the inner axle stubs and bushings too ( about $1500 in parts). Those cars had practically no wheel hop at all, less than my 3.7 Mustang has actually.

Also, if your friends put down 750whp on a built motor (because the stock pistons would explode) without doing suspension also, they are idiots.

As for you out running them on the track, unless they broke their junk, you would have been murdered on the back half.

I would love to see those time slips. I imagine it would be something like 13.21 @ 135.28 vs 12.40 @ 112.00.
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Hey all that really matters is who gets to the finish line first right? That is what a "race" is after all.
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Hey all that really matters is who gets to the finish line first right? That is what a "race" is after all.
I've always had to sand bag my runs, no roll cage. Therefore ... not really a race.
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I've always had to sand bag my runs, no roll cage. Therefore ... not really a race.
So you run faster than 11.49?

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The guys I know all replaced their half shafts with much beefier ones and then I think most of them replaced the inner axle stubs and bushings too ( about $1500 in parts). Those cars had practically no wheel hop at all, less than my 3.7 Mustang has actually.

Also, if your friends put down 750whp on a built motor (because the stock pistons would explode) without doing suspension also, they are idiots.

As for you out running them on the track, unless they broke their junk, you would have been murdered on the back half.

I would love to see those time slips. I imagine it would be something like 13.21 @ 135.28 vs 12.40 @ 112.00.
Wow. Someone's a bit pissy.
Yes, the beefed up shafts do help. But not completely. Have to add hd shafts, and usually air so u can adjust a bias on one side. The hop creates a harmonic, and once it starts, u have to shut down. That paired with skinny tires (275 max), a cure is hard to find.
Early in 06, the axel shafts weren't an option. Everyone was trying to find a fix. In fact the ctsv had the answer with two diff diameter half shafts to eliminate hop (in 2008 if I remember correctly).Worked well, so the aftermarket companies followed. I used air right from the get go and it worked very well. That is why my friend's big number cars couldn't hook btw.
Not always "murdered on the back half", but yes sometimes...kinda like I stated! Many times they would run me down a bit too late.
Try shifting hard with those hp numbers on small tires. Im sure ur v6 has that issue.
Maybe sometime we will get together for a beer and share slips. Thinking prolly not, since I am not feeling the love here anyway. Think what u want.
Was giving advise to the op from someone that has raced both cars in question.
Mr. Fast F Body (or v6 pony) obviously knows more about my old car than i do.
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Btw, I have seen them run a 13.2 but it was more like a 125. Hell, my buddy currently has a '13 gt500 with new rubber and dynoed at 580 rwhp can't get better than 12.9@122! His car is obviously much faster...but he is not.
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Wow. Someone's a bit pissy.
Not always "murdered on the back half", but yes sometimes...kinda like I stated! Many times they would run me down a bit too late.
Try shifting hard with those hp numbers on small tires. Im sure ur v6 has that issue.
Maybe sometime we will get together for a beer and share slips. Thinking prolly not, since I am not feeling the love here anyway. Think what u want.
Was giving advise to the op from someone that has raced both cars in question.
Mr. Fast F Body (or v6 pony) obviously knows more about my old car than i do.
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Btw, I have seen them run a 13.2 but it was more like a 125. Hell, my buddy currently has a '13 gt500 with new rubber and dynoed at 580 rwhp can't get better than 12.9@122! His car is obviously much faster...but he is not.
I'm not a pissy in the slightest. Apologizes if it came off that way.

I never discredited you or your GTO. The times you said you ran are completely acceptable and within what the car was capable of with the mods you listed.

It's just hard to believe a 750rwhp car wouldn't have the correct setup or driver to be able to make the best out of that power and lose to someone in a car that is at best 15 mph and more likely 20+ mph slower. It just doesn't make sense.

Like I said, I personally know of several people who ran LS2 GTO's with basic mods and larger cams running mid-high 11's @ 120+. Just think of the times your GTO would have pulled with an additional 70 - 100 rwhp from a cam. You would likely be in that same range.

As for shifting hard with that kind of horsepower on those kind of tires, well, I ran 11.4 @ 128.7 mph with 588 rwhp. That run was accomplished on Yokohama AVS ES100's @ 275/40/17 on all fours with no real issues besides spinning all the way into 4th at 115 mph, peddling the car the entire way down the strip. To my credit, I still managed a 7.0 @ 100 mph in the 1/8, of which, I am extremely proud of. Similar setups with autos or aftermarket rear ends have went as low as 9.8 @ 135.




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Yes. I do. As mentioned, my best time has been 11.4 @ 128.7 on Yokohama AVS ES100 tires at all four corners @ 275/40/17. The car was built as a 50 - 150 car, not a drag strip car, hence why the ET is way off and MPH is bit slower than cars with similar power.

That is in my Z28, which I am currently on my 4th stock 10 bolt. A few years ago, I was in the running for the fastest stock 10 bolt 3.42 geared T56 car. My car is one of the top ten fastest 6spd, stock 10 bolt, 3.42 cars in the world (according to trap speed). To my knowledge, the fastest 6spd, stock 10 bolt 3.42 is a 10.2 @ 135 on slicks which lasted a single run and snapped an axle at the very end of the traps. I don't want to lose and axle going 130+, which is the main reason I have never had slicks or DR's on my car.

The autos have went low 9's on the stock 10 bolt.
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Yeah, just skip the drag strip and take on your buddy in his GTO at an autocross or road event.

You'll be able to beat him while you're eating a sandwich...
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It's just hard to believe a 750rwhp car wouldn't have the correct setup or driver to be able to make the best out of that power and lose to someone in a car that is at best 15 mph and more likely 20+ mph slower. It just doesn't make sense..
You'd be surprised. I won't mention them but I know of some people who just have deep pockets and want to run 250 MPH on I95 with no suspension. You can meet them if you like. They usually run at Pocono Race way "roll racing drags" in their GTRs or Lambos etc. They all have 800-1000HP and non suspension. Which is why they chose the Pocono roll races.

It is a public event like any track. A few guys have GT500 and ZL1 and a Z06 and all pushing crazy HP and no suspension besides being ****** slammed lol. Sad really. Money and no knowledge.
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[QUOTE=Ish416;2002456]I'm not a pissy in the slightest. Apologizes if it came off that way.

I never discredited you or your GTO. The times you said you ran are completely acceptable and within what the car was capable of with the mods you listed.

It's just hard to believe a 750rwhp car wouldn't have the correct setup or driver to be able to make the best out of that power and lose to someone in a car that is at best 15 mph and more likely 20+ mph slower. It just doesn't make sense.

Like I said, I personally know of several people who ran LS2 GTO's with basic mods and larger cams running mid-high 11's @ 120+. Just think of the times your GTO would have pulled with an additional 70 - 100 rwhp from a cam. You would likely be in that same range.


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The guy with the GTO ended up having wider tires in the back too. His cam was a stage 2 camshaft. I ended up beating him by about 3/4 of a car length. No time slips though. It was on a coursed course.
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"Stage 2" Did he happen to give the specs of the cam?
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No, i ask him if it was like a mid range cam. He told me it was similar to a stage 2 cam. Whatever that means
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Hell, my buddy currently has a '13 gt500 with new rubber and dynoed at 580 rwhp can't get better than 12.9@122! His car is obviously much faster...but he is not.
Your buddy has a 60k with 580 rwhp and that's the best he can run 12.9? Holy ***** bro. No disrespect but 11 plus 3.7's N/A can run that time for 30k cheaper. Holy crap, I would be pissed and embarrassed as heck. That's horrible time for 1/4 mile for a 650 HP car.
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Your buddy has a 60k with 580 rwhp and that's the best he can run 12.9? Holy ***** bro. No disrespect but 11 plus 3.7's N/A can run that time for 30k cheaper. Holy crap, I would be pissed and embarrassed as heck. That's horrible time for 1/4 mile for a 650 HP car.
The trap is the tell tale. Nothing to be embarrassed about. Just practice.
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The trap is the tell tale. Nothing to be embarrassed about. Just practice.
Yes, practice to get mid 11's but 12.9 best on a car that makes 650 HP from factory. Good grief that sucks a$$ bro.
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Yes, practice to get mid 11's but 12.9 best on a car that makes 650 HP from factory. Good grief that sucks a$$ bro.
Yes and extremely difficult to get traction in such a car. Perfectly normal.
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Yes and extremely difficult to get traction in such a car. Perfectly normal.
I hear ya on traction issue but 12.9 for 13 Gt500. That's embarrassing! N/A 3.7's can run that with bolt on mods and that's with around 300 rwhp. Even factory tires guys are running 13.1 and 30k less. That's horrible bro!
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