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Old 05-09-2014, 09:38 PM   #1
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BAMA vs Lund, at the track...

Ok, this post is for reference only. It is not a bash, as I really like my BAMA tunes. Let me first say that I used to run a 2006 GTO 6M with bolt ons (12.4@112 consistently).

3 months ago, I finally brought my 2014 GT To the 1/4 mile track. Mods are below, but that time I was running a BAMA 93 Race tune. Dynoed at 400/377. Ran 7 times: 12.88-13.30 @ 109.1-114.2. 60': 2.0-2.5. Tried tc on, sport, and all off. 50F, no wind. Oem p-zeros 255s.

Since then, about 2 weeks ago, I went ahead and installed a John Lund 93 race tune. I immediately noticed a huge sotp to be much faster. I was actually pretty surprised at the difference in feel. Off to the track. I went tonight...

4 runs: 12.52-12.68 @ 112.5-113.2. 60': 1.85-1.93. 85F, 15 knot headwind. Same track. Same oem tires, but now have 12k miles on them.

Yes, temp will have an effect. Yes, I have a couple more months experience with the car. But, it really felt much faster and obviously more consistent. Very happy with these results. DRs and a bit more practice, I really think 11s are in her. Of course, then line lock and clutch come next, and maybe a alum driveline.
Not sure how to post two pics here, so here is the last one, and today is in the next post.
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Ok, this post is for reference only. It is not a bash, as I really like my BAMA tunes. Let me first say that I used to run a 2006 GTO 6M with bolt ons (12.4@112 consistently).

3 months ago, I finally brought my 2014 GT To the 1/4 mile track. Mods are below, but that time I was running a BAMA 93 Race tune. Dynoed at 400/377. Ran 7 times: 12.88-13.30 @ 109.1-114.2. 60': 2.0-2.5. Tried tc on, sport, and all off. 50F, no wind. Oem p-zeros 255s.

Since then, about 2 weeks ago, I went ahead and installed a John Lund 93 race tune. I immediately noticed a huge sotp to be much faster. I was actually pretty surprised at the difference in feel. Off to the track. I went tonight...

4 runs: 12.52-12.68 @ 112.5-113.2. 60': 1.85-1.93. 85F, 15 knot headwind. Same track. Same oem tires, but now have 12k miles on them.

Yes, temp will have an effect. Yes, I have a couple more months experience with the car. But, it really felt much faster and obviously more consistent. Very happy with these results. DRs and a bit more practice, I really think 11s are in her. Of course, then line lock and clutch come next, and maybe a alum driveline.
Not sure how to post two pics here, so here is the last one, and today is in the next post.
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Great passes! Looks like the car runs well with both tunes. I see the 60 ft was much better with the second tuning option. Usually when you drop one tenth off of your 60ft, it's two tenths off of your ET. That being said, your car definitely has some room left in her!

Thanks for sharing this with us.

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Thanks. That's what I was hoping! More practice, practice, practice.
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Seems like Lund may be a hair quicker but your 60 was much better so that makes up almost the entire difference.
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Yea, def. Temp was absolutely better for traction, but that damn headwind hurt the top end for sure. Was very pleased.
Wanted to throw the BAMA back on for reference, but some idiot in an old tubbed firechicken decided to stand her on the rear bumper and actually catch air. Came back crashing to the ground and dropped his k member and destroyed the pan along with about a hundred parts that went flying! Was fun to watch, but wasn't gonna hang around for a couple hours for cleanup to run once more. Maybe next time I will get another chance.
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I actually have a question for u drag guys out there...and gals!
I am still running the oem uca. My thoughts were to replace everything else and see if I can eliminate all wheel hop first. I have zero wheel hop at all with my current setup. Still a bunch of spinning of course 1-2, 2-3, and a chirp 3-4. Will replacing my uca to a hd steeda unit, for example, help my times? I thought the uca was strictly for hop, but I may be wrong here. If it will help wheel spin for 60' times, maybe I will get one. Hate to buy one if it only helps hop at this point.
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Installing lca and uca and adjustable pan hard will help put power on the ground. The bmr stuff works great. Drag radials or slicks be your best bet to stop the spinning.
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Installing lca and uca and adjustable pan hard will help put power on the ground. The bmr stuff works great. Drag radials or slicks be your best bet to stop the spinning.
Got all that except the uca. Will adding the uca now actually help me? Remember, I have zero hop, just spinning. Will an uca help spinning at all? Really prefer not to add another $200 if it is for not at this point, but if it really does help with wheel spin, then I'm all in!
Another option would be to lower my lca to the lowest setting, vs the mid eye. Would that act more like old school traction bars maybe and help with weight transfer and wheel spin?
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Upper is more for eliminate hop or pinion angle don't really think you gain much.
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UCA is fantastic if it is adjustable so you can dial it in to your specific height. There is a loooonnnngggg thread on s197 about the 3 link suspension and tons of useful information about how to dial in the 3 link to nail significant reductions in 60'
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Thank you. I will go hunt it down. Didn't see anything in my searches yet, but will keep looking.
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I actually have a question for u drag guys out there...and gals!

I am still running the oem uca. My thoughts were to replace everything else and see if I can eliminate all wheel hop first. I have zero wheel hop at all with my current setup. Still a bunch of spinning of course 1-2, 2-3, and a chirp 3-4. Will replacing my uca to a hd steeda unit, for example, help my times? I thought the uca was strictly for hop, but I may be wrong here. If it will help wheel spin for 60' times, maybe I will get one. Hate to buy one if it only helps hop at this point.
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Yes. Absolutely! Replacing both the Upper Control arm and Lower Control Arms would be very beneficial to you. You'll drop a few tenths just from that! It won't stop the spinning but it will absolutely help you throw the weight back. Add a good sticky tire to that list and you'll be in good shape!

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Yes. Absolutely! Replacing both the Upper Control arm and Lower Control Arms would be very beneficial to you. You'll drop a few tenths just from that! It won't stop the spinning but it will absolutely help you throw the weight back. Add a good sticky tire to that list and you'll be in good shape!

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Just to clarify... R u saying that if I add an uca I should better my 60'? I already have Steeda lcas, etc. i thought the uca only helps hop, which I have non at this time. Still confused!
Yes, dag rads r next on the list. Problem is, if I get DRs, I need another line lock, and my clutch wont live through summer...so another clutch! Damn DRs are gonna cost me 2 grand!
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Dan, whats ur opinion on setting my lcas on the lower setting instead of the mid eye? Will that act more like traction bars at that angle? I know, it is not ideal for a road course, but maybe the drags?!
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That uca is not going to do anything for you without dr. Until you get a tire that will stick it will be a waste of money. Yes if you install sticks or good drag radial you will see a gain with uca. I have been in your shoes did all bmr suspension and spun like hell. Got mt dr and world of differance that made. Don't get me wrong I would do uca but tires first if your on a budget.
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Thanks royal. Not really a budget, just don't want to waste cash either. I just fail to see what a uca really does to help. plan on an alum ds anyway, prolly throw one on then if for no other reason, to align the pinion a bit better.
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The UCA WILL help his 60' regardless. Planted and weight transfer will increase even a street tire's traction. May be minimal but every little bit counts.
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The UCA will stop wheel hop but is also needed to put the power to the ground. The UCA is more important than the LCA's as far as getting the power to the ground.

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Again, guys, thanks. Gonna grab one soon then.
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Oof, I need to get a Coyote... I'd want to see the bama tune for a few runs and then immediately throw the lund tune afterwards since you really should have all the other factors the same. With that said the Lund tune is probably far superior, do you have a wideband to see what your a/f ratio is with both tunes?
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Nope, sure don't scotty. Hoping next time at track I will do just that. Gimme a few weeks tho. Pretty busy now. Was very consistent that day too...would have been perfect.
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