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Old 05-23-2014, 12:27 AM   #36
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PI Swap (whole engine) being the first listed mod. Engine has around 50k miles on the clock. Putting me at 265 HP stock, 305 ft lbs with no mods.

Also His car was dyno'd 270 RWHP.

Im not expecting to win, I'm not expecting to walk all over him. However, Im not sure I understand how you can call the 2V slow when it's a 20 year old engine, in a 15 year old car that Ford basically put no effort into, with a suspension based originating in the 70s. And you compare that^ to a brand new car that is the best V6 Ford has to offer pretty much, with arguably one of the best factory equipped solid axle setups can barely beat my "slow 2v", if it even does win.
I take this all back lol. I did not realize you had the entire engine.

Driver's race with edge to the V6 at higher speeds.
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A 99+ 2v only puts down around 220 rwhp stock. With the mods you listed, you aren't adding anything close to 50whp.

The 3.7 you know puts down 270 rwhp and runs 13.5 @ 105, that's nearly the same as a lightly modded 3v.

Your car will likely run a low 14/very high 13 @ around 100 mph, if you nail your shifts perfectly. The 3.7 is an auto, all he has to do is brake torque at the light and floor it until he passes through the traps.

Put another way, he could fall asleep at the light for about .4 seconds and still catch you if not pass you. That is a lot of ground to cover.


As for the fastness of the 2v. A stock 2v (99+) is generally a low 14 second car. A newer Toyota Camry V6 is also a low 14 second car, same with a Honda Accord V6 and Nissan Maxima V6. That seems slow to me.
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A 99+ 2v only puts down around 220 rwhp stock. With the mods you listed, you aren't adding anything close to 50whp.



The 3.7 you know puts down 270 rwhp and runs 13.5 @ 105, that's nearly the same as a lightly modded 3v.



Your car will likely run a low 14/very high 13 @ around 100 mph, if you nail your shifts perfectly. The 3.7 is an auto, all he has to do is brake torque at the light and floor it until he passes through the traps.



Put another way, he could fall asleep at the light for about .4 seconds and still catch you if not pass you. That is a lot of ground to cover.





As for the fastness of the 2v. A stock 2v (99+) is generally a low 14 second car. A newer Toyota Camry V6 is also a low 14 second car, same with a Honda Accord V6 and Nissan Maxima V6. That seems slow to me.

I'm thinking some of your numbers are a bit exaggerated!.. I believe it was Muscle Mustangs that did a slight build on a 2001 Bullet Mustang, all they did was put LTs and a larger TB on it!.. Dynoed at about 280hp (if memory serves correct)!.. Plus here is a test that Motor Trend did on a 2014 Auto 3.7 not long ago!.. Click image for larger version

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His 3.73s are going to work a lot better for him because of his transmission. We'll Under 5 second 0-60 and if he had a normal 60' he would have had a very low 13 pass
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I'm thinking some of your numbers are a bit exaggerated!.. I believe it was Muscle Mustangs that did a slight build on a 2001 Bullet Mustang, all they did was put LTs and a larger TB on it!.. Dynoed at about 280hp (if memory serves correct)!.. Plus here is a test that Motor Trend did on a 2014 Auto 3.7 not long ago!.. Attachment 157625 don't look like a mid 13 car to me!.. At least not in stock trim!..
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Looks to me your using more Google numbers than real World ones!.. I've beat a few 3.7s in my 4.6, all cars being auto including mine!..
This is hilarious. Really.
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A 99+ 2v only puts down around 220 rwhp stock. With the mods you listed, you aren't adding anything close to 50whp.

The 3.7 you know puts down 270 rwhp and runs 13.5 @ 105, that's nearly the same as a lightly modded 3v.

Your car will likely run a low 14/very high 13 @ around 100 mph, if you nail your shifts perfectly. The 3.7 is an auto, all he has to do is brake torque at the light and floor it until he passes through the traps.

Put another way, he could fall asleep at the light for about .4 seconds and still catch you if not pass you. That is a lot of ground to cover.


As for the fastness of the 2v. A stock 2v (99+) is generally a low 14 second car. A newer Toyota Camry V6 is also a low 14 second car, same with a Honda Accord V6 and Nissan Maxima V6. That seems slow to me.
I just realized the 13.5 with a 2.5 60'. There is no way on this Earth the OP's friend did 13.5 with a 2.5 60' on those times. That would mean his V6 is low 12 second car with breather mods.

Never. Ever. Never. Ever.

I have to stick with driver's race with edge to V6 because the tune most likely tuned his transmission shifting.
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I just realized the 13.5 with a 2.5 60'. There is no way on this Earth the OP's friend did 13.5 with a 2.5 60' on those times. That would mean his V6 is low 12 second car with breather mods.



Never. Ever. Never. Ever.



I have to stick with driver's race with edge to V6 because the tune most likely tuned his transmission shifting.

So you havnt seen the many na 3.7s run 12s and the fastest ever at 12.6 na
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So you havnt seen the many na 3.7s run 12s and the fastest ever at 12.6 na
You didn't read what I said or You obviously don't race. A 3.7 with the listed mods would never, ever, never, ever, never, ever run a 13.5 with a 2.5 60'.
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I take this all back lol. I did not realize you had the entire engine.

Driver's race with edge to the V6 at higher speeds.
Lol no worries that's an easy thing to miss. If I was the stock 98 engine I wouldn't be beating anything in a race

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As for the fastness of the 2v. A stock 2v (99+) is generally a low 14 second car. A newer Toyota Camry V6 is also a low 14 second car, same with a Honda Accord V6 and Nissan Maxima V6. That seems slow to me.
Because comparing a 15+ year old car to a brand new one is fair. Not to mention you're talking stock. How many stock 2V GT's are there? Not too many. Put Cams, gears and radials on a 2V GT and you could be in the 12s. SO SLOW. Not to mention, my slow 2V has a top speed greater than 112mph lol.

And I would also like to mention that I don't think I'd win. But I'd take a "slow" V8 mustang with a manual trans over a brand new, "fast" automatic V6 every single day of the week. I don't care how fast my car goes. There will always be a faster car. I get more than enough enjoyment out of my car.

And Im not sure on the times thats just what I've seen posted. Maybe his 60' was faster than that and I posted the wrong info, or maybe he posted false info on his 1/4 mile. Not sure.
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Because comparing a 15+ year old car to a brand new one is fair. Not to mention you're talking stock. How many stock 2V GT's are there? Not too many. Put Cams, gears and radials on a 2V GT and you could be in the 12s. SO SLOW.

And I would also like to mention that I don't think I'd win. But I'd take a "slow" V8 mustang with a stick over a brand new, "fast" automatic V6 every single day of the week. At least my 98 2V can go faster than 112 MPH.

And Im not sure on the times thats just what I've seen posted. Maybe his 60' was faster than that and I posted the wrong info, or maybe he posted false info on his 1/4 mile. Not sure.
I wouldn't consider a low 14 a slow time. That just seems like a deliberate attempt to 'hurt'.
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I'm thinking some of your numbers are a bit exaggerated!.. I believe it was Muscle Mustangs that did a slight build on a 2001 Bullet Mustang, all they did was put LTs and a larger TB on it!.. Dynoed at about 280hp (if memory serves correct)!.. Plus here is a test that Motor Trend did on a 2014 Auto 3.7 not long ago!.. Attachment 157625 don't look like a mid 13 car to me!.. At least not in stock trim!..
That's strange considering on their website, they haven't ever reviewed a 2014 Mustang V6. Maybe their mobile site is different or pulling numbers for a different car, I don't know.

They have however reviewed a 2011 V6 -

2011 Ford Mustang V-6 First Test - Motor Trend Page 3

It ran 0 - 60 in 5.1, 0 - 100 in 13.1 and the 1/4 in 13.7 @ 102.

Then they have also ran this one - 2013 Mustang V6 Premium -

2013 Ford Mustang V-6 Premium First Test - Motor Trend

They show it doing 0 - 60 in 5.3 and 1/4 in 13.9 @ 100.1.

Car and drivers test of the 2013 Mustang V-6 Premium -

2013 Ford Mustang V-6 Premium Instrumented Test – Review – Car and Driver

0 - 60 in 5.2, 0 - 100 in 13.4, 1/4 in 13.9 @ 102.

The also have the 2011 -

2011 Ford Mustang V6 - Short Take Road Test - Car Reviews - Car and Driver

0 - 60 in 5.4, 0 - 100 in 13.0, 1/4 in 14.0 @ 104 mph (fast trap for the ET)



As for your claim of 280 hp on the Bullit with just long tubes and a throttle body .... uhh, no.

Unless you are talking at the crank. Which if that's the case, the 3.7 still has 305 hp.

I suggest reading this thread to give you a real world idea of just how much power the 2v 4.6's make - What do stock 99-04 GT's dyno on a Dynojet. | Mustang Forums at StangNet

And this thread to see just how fast those cars actually are - 2000 GT 1/4 Mile times ?? - Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum

Most claim low 14's.

Further proof, not that it's needed is this video here -

A 2001 GT with the following mods: Diablosport Predator Tuner, BBK Long Tube Headers, BBK Offroad X-Pipe, Magnaflow Magnapack Catback, BBK Cold Air Intake, Accufab 70mm Throttle Body and Intake Plenum, Steeda Underdrive Pulleys and FRPP Aluminum Driveshaft

It puts down a staggering ... 261 rwhp and 289 rwtq.

Then you have this article from motortrend where they dyno the 3.7 and 5.0 - Mustang Power! We Dyno the 2011 Ford Mustang 5.0 V-8 and 3.7 V-6

2011 Mustang V-6

3rd gear (1.67:1) Horsepower: 268.06 hp @ 6700 rpm Torque: 249.95 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

4th gear (1.24:1) Horsepower: 267.11 hp @ 5800 rpm Torque: 259.90 lb-ft @ 4100 rpm

They state - "K&N's techs suggested we use the fourth gear pulls for the 5.0-liter and third gear pulls for 3.7-liter."

I realize that the dyno's are different and at different locations. However, they are both Dynojets and are thus calibrated as close as possible using normal correction standards.

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Because comparing a 15+ year old car to a brand new one is fair. Not to mention you're talking stock. How many stock 2V GT's are there? Not too many. Put Cams, gears and radials on a 2V GT and you could be in the 12s. SO SLOW. Not to mention, my slow 2V has a top speed greater than 112mph lol.

Regardless of the age of the car, fast is fast and slow is slow. Also, realize that my definition of a slow car is usually not what most people think. To me, a slow car runs 14's and above, a meh car is 13's, a quick car is 12's and a fast car is 11's or better.

I currently own 3 cars that are capable of 11's, one of those is capable of 10's if I really pushed it. My 3.7 Mustang is the slowest car I've owned since I graduated college in 2006. The majority of my previous cars have ran 12's or better. So please don't take my "slow" comment to heart, it's just my standards differ from most peoples.
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Didn't Black on Whipple get his 2v into the 12s with just bolt ons, some suspension and drag radials?

It is doable. Just not common.
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