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Old 05-15-2014, 11:00 PM   #1
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4.6 2V vs 3.7

Hey guys just curious who you think will run a better time in the 1/4 mile?

The 2013 V6 known info:
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I know he ran 13.5 with a 2.5 60' last 1/4 mile. I've never done a 1/4 mile run in mine.


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Just curious. I'll probably run with him sometime this summer and I'm wondering what the outcome will be.
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You will need a good 60ft time. If he ran 13.5 with a 2.5 60ft his car is pulling good on the top side. Do you know his mph?
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It was @105mph.

I know I can get a decent 60' time. Of course I'll need to do a few practice runs and practice starts at the strip but I have total faith in my driving ability.

This won't even be a comparison once I throw a cam in mine with a solid dyno tune
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I had a 96gt with an 01gt engine t-45 exhaust, cai 75mmtb steeda udp and 3.27 gears. get a good 60ft and you should be able to hold him off. What size throttle body do you have.
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I have the stock throttle body at the moment, looking to upgrade it along with a CAI sometime soon. Not sure on what size to run
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It was @105mph.

I know I can get a decent 60' time. Of course I'll need to do a few practice runs and practice starts at the strip but I have total faith in my driving ability.

This won't even be a comparison once I throw a cam in mine with a solid dyno tune
Might want to buy 2 cams...

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4.6 2V vs 3.7

Lol yeah I'll probably do two and not just one lmao
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I have the stock throttle body at the moment, looking to upgrade it along with a CAI sometime soon. Not sure on what size to run
One of the most felt mods on my 96gt was the 75mm tb.I had the bbk and the 2v loved it really helped it in 3rd and 4th gear.
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One of the most felt mods on my 96gt was the 75mm tb.I had the bbk and the 2v loved it really helped it in 3rd and 4th gear.

Well that's good to know. I still have to decide which one I want to get though.

I also want to get a CAI but obviously that won't do anything for power. I'm waiting until I find a used one off craigslist for cheap.

And the person with the 3.7 that was trying to race me seems to have backed off after I gave him my mod list...I think he thought I was a stock 98
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My friend has an 02 bullitt with off road x, pypes, and a vortec supercharger dynoed at 379hp 385tq and still can't get under 9.2 at the 1/8 mile. My fiends 3.7 with full bolt ons and aluminum shaft is at 8.73 with 3.31 gears and I'm at 8.9 with just a tune and 3.55s. The 2vs always seem slow for the mods they have.
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My friend has an 02 bullitt with off road x, pypes, and a vortec supercharger dynoed at 379hp 385tq and still can't get under 9.2 at the 1/8 mile. My fiends 3.7 with full bolt ons and aluminum shaft is at 8.73 with 3.31 gears and I'm at 8.9 with just a tune and 3.55s. The 2vs always seem slow for the mods they have.

I'd be curious to see 1/4 mile times for those cars you mentioned. I feel the bullit would catch the 3.7s on the top end. It probably can't hook up with that much power on stock suspension.
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4.6 2V vs 3.7

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Your right. But before the vortec he never had a chance. Now the las time we ran he was slightly gaining on me but I know my buddies 3.7 would still be a hard challenge
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My 3.7 manual runs 9.08 in the 8th with no engine mods, 3.55 gear, street tires, and an aluminum driveshaft with a 2.031 60'@ 3380lbs. Shifting takes time! In my case, I can eat a sandwich between shifts. Those lowering springs are not the best set up for drag strip. Not helping traction at all. The 3.7 is torque starved and FORD should have increased the crank throw to 3.70" as an upgrade. Would have helped a ton. Maybe it wouldn't fit in the block. I think they just don't care. An, it is what it is deal.
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My friend has an 02 bullitt with off road x, pypes, and a vortec supercharger dynoed at 379hp 385tq and still can't get under 9.2 at the 1/8 mile. My fiends 3.7 with full bolt ons and aluminum shaft is at 8.73 with 3.31 gears and I'm at 8.9 with just a tune and 3.55s. The 2vs always seem slow for the mods they have.

You sure it's an 02? Bullitts were only in 01. And judging by his times, the Bullitt owner either can't drive or invested all his money into power and no suspension.
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I went against a bullit just yesterday and was pretty surprised how fast they are. We where neck and neck at the beginning and once we hit about 45-50 my 3.7 just took off beat him by about a car and a half length
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You sure it's an 02? Bullitts were only in 01. And judging by his times, the Bullitt owner either can't drive or invested all his money into power and no suspension.

01 I guess
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Lol his stock 3.7 vs my modded 2v? I don't think so
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Lol his stock 3.7 vs my modded 2v? I don't think so
Yes.

A Stock 3.7 is a high 13s car with a decent, not great driver.

Your car with your mods most likely still does not make close to a 3.7 stock power.

Yes, I think so. And you're convertible.
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A Stock 3.7 is a high 13s car with a decent, not great driver.



Your car with your mods most likely still does not make close to a 3.7 stock power.



Yes, I think so. And you're convertible.

A stock 2v is a high 13 low 14 car!.. And depending on his mods, he could easily be low 13s!.. I've seen one with basic bolt Ons and gears run low 13s and it too was a Vert!.. When it comes to mods, the one with deeper pockets wins!..
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A stock 2v is a high 13 low 14 car!.. And depending on his mods, he could easily be low 13s!.. I've seen one with basic bolt Ons and gears run low 13s and it too was a Vert!.. When it comes to mods, the one with deeper pockets wins!..
A 1998 GT is NOT a high 13 second car, let alone convertible. Never. You're thinking New Edge 2V. With PI heads, he is still not going to be at a stock New Edge power level with PI heads alone.

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A 1998 GT is NOT a high 13 second car, let alone convertible. Never. You're thinking New Edge 2V. With PI heads, he is still not going to be at a stock New Edge power level with PI heads alone.



225 HP.

Actually a NPI block with PI heads and intake puts out a bit more hp then a stock PI motor does!.. Just a saying
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And how about this!.. A stock 3v is a high 13 car, yet with an equal driver, will pull on a new 3.7!.. Plenty of vids out there to prove that!..

Real world numbers count more than "claimed" factory ones!..
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Actually a NPI block with PI heads and intake puts out a bit more hp then a stock PI motor does!.. Just a saying
With cams. No PI alone. And still the V6 puts out more stock wheel.
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A 1998 GT is NOT a high 13 second car, let alone convertible. Never. You're thinking New Edge 2V. With PI heads, he is still not going to be at a stock New Edge power level with PI heads alone.

225 HP.
This ^^^

You are comparing a car that when stock was an absolute turd. Adding the PI swap and everything else, your car is close to what a 3.7 puts down ... stock.

Add to the fact that the 3.7 has a healthy list of mods, making likely 30+ more HP, along with a faster, more aggressive transmission and less than 100 lbs weight difference...

The 3.7 will pull it off no problem.
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And how about this!.. A stock 3v is a high 13 car, yet with an equal driver, will pull on a new 3.7!.. Plenty of vids out there to prove that!..

Real world numbers count more than "claimed" factory ones!..
I am quoting real world numbers. I race a majority of my free time.
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You are comparing a car that when stock was an absolute turd. Adding the PI swap and everything else, your car is close to what a 3.7 puts down ... stock.



Add to the fact that the 3.7 has a healthy list of mods, making likely 30+ more HP, along with a faster, more aggressive transmission and less than 100 lbs weight difference...



The 3.7 will pull it off no problem.

Actually the new 3.7 Mustang has a curb weight at about 3500 lbs!.. My 2004 GT with a Full tank and my 180lbs fat butt weighed in at 3675lbs!.. Which actually means, the SN95 platform weighs just less than the new V6!.. Hardly a 100 pound difference!.. Let alone in favor of the V6!.. Remember, the S197 platform is bigger and heavier than the SN95!..
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I am quoting real world numbers. I race a majority of my free time.

Looks to me your using more Google numbers than real World ones!.. I've beat a few 3.7s in my 4.6, all cars being auto including mine!..
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Actually the new 3.7 Mustang has a curb weight at about 3500 lbs!.. My 2004 GT with a Full tank and my 180lbs fat butt weighed in at 3675lbs!.. Which actually means, the SN95 platform weighs just less than the new V6!.. Hardly a 100 pound difference!.. Let alone in favor of the V6!.. Remember, the S197 platform is bigger and heavier than the SN95!..

You do realize the OP has a convertible... listed weight on it is just over 3400 lbs depending on the source. The 98 GT coupe is just under 3300 lbs.

Here is what I found from this website - 1998 Ford Mustang GT Convertible Specifications - InternetAutoGuide.com

1998 GT Coupe - Weights: gross vehicle weight rating (lbs) 4,490 and curb weight (lbs) 3,278

1998 GT Convertible - Weights: gross vehicle weight rating (lbs) 4,171 and curb weight (lbs) 3,471

Or here - 1998 Ford Mustang GT Convertible 4.6L V8 5-speed Manual Features and Specs

They list the GT Convertible as 3400 lbs and the coupe at 3227 lbs.



The 3.7 V6 coupe weighs 3501 lbs (2014 model) according to internet auto guide and edmunds claims it weighs 3453 lbs (for the 2012 model).


2014 Ford Mustang Specifications - InternetAutoGuide.com

2012 Ford Mustang V6 Coupe 3.7L V6 6-speed Manual Features and Specs



So, take the curb weight of the two websites and average them together for just the 98 Convertible - 3471 + 3400 = 6871

Take 6871 / 2 = 3,435 lbs.

Take the highest listed 3.7 weight of 3501 lbs and subtract the average weight of a 1998 Mustang GT Convertible which is 3,435 lbs and you get .... 3501 - 3435 = 66.

So 66 lbs difference, which last I checked is less than 100 lbs.

You could also get more technical and try to adjust the weights for the modifications, but I will leave that alone.

I also never said that the S197 was lighter. It is common knowledge that the S197's weigh more than previous Mustangs, I simply stated that between the two cars, there is likely less than a 100 lb difference.


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Looks to me your using more Google numbers than real World ones!.. I've beat a few 3.7s in my 4.6, all cars being auto including mine!..


I have ran down every 2v I have came across with no issues at all. In a 3.7 that is 100% stock with 2.73 gears and the worst manual transmission ever put into car.

Hell, I pulled my friends 07 GT auto convertible which has a K&N CAI and a tune. It was fairly close but towards the end of the run, (around 90) I started pulling ahead. That was real world, not Google numbers.

Fact is, 2V 4.6 are slow, 3V 4.6 are nearly the equal of the 3.7, it can go either way - most of time towards the 3V.
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A 1998 GT is NOT a high 13 second car, let alone convertible. Never. You're thinking New Edge 2V. With PI heads, he is still not going to be at a stock New Edge power level with PI heads alone.

225 HP.
PI Swap (whole engine) being the first listed mod. Engine has around 50k miles on the clock. Putting me at 265 HP stock, 305 ft lbs with no mods.

Also His car was dyno'd 270 RWHP.

Im not expecting to win, I'm not expecting to walk all over him. However, Im not sure I understand how you can call the 2V slow when it's a 20 year old engine, in a 15 year old car that Ford basically put no effort into, with a suspension based originating in the 70s. And you compare that^ to a brand new car that is the best V6 Ford has to offer pretty much, with arguably one of the best factory equipped solid axle setups can barely beat my "slow 2v", if it even does win.
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