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Old 11-18-2014, 09:40 AM   #36
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I would not say it's been on top until 2011 the cobras would run with them mod for mod then 2003 hit and the termi came out

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Face it mustang had been slow untill 2011. 03 cobra needs a ported blower and nitrous or blower swap. (Did both ) to hang.

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Old 11-18-2014, 11:32 AM   #37
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Not trolling, just stating facts. I own 2 Mustangs and a Camaro. I know the pros and cons of each and I don't BS myself or anyone else.

The Z28 has better suspension and brakes, that's just fact. There is no getting around it. I will give you that they are different platforms so what suspension works for one might not work as well for the other. That said, the Camaro has magnetic suspension on the ZL1 and 1LE and it was dumped for the DSSV setup on the Z28.

Carbon Ceramic brakes will outperform conventional disks on any race track. That's just a fact. There is a reason race cars have them and not the standard rotors, pads and calipers found on lesser cars.

Also, nobody could give you a Camero as they don't exist. It's spelled Camaro.

This GT350 will likely be faster in a straight line than the Z28, however, in the corners and under braking, the Z28 will beat the GT350. That is where the Z28 will win on a track. Just look at the comparisons of track times with the Boss 302 and GT500 vs the Camaro 1LE. Both Fords had an advantage in acceleration, especially the GT500, but lost it all in cornering and braking.

I have several problems with your argument ...
1. Carbon ceramic brakes do not perform better than standard brakes, What they do is resist fade exponentially better, in a 1 lap shoot out you would be hard pressed to tell the difference.

2. Brakes again only work as well as your tires. You can have all the clamping force in the world, but if you cant translate that into grip it means nothing.

So yes, the Camaro likely has the mustang beat due to its insanely large and sticky tires, but the fact that the mustang is even being put in the same catagory as the Z28 is flattery enough. We all know the z28 is one hell of a performer, so it will be interesting to see how the mustang competes. We still dont even have all the specs yet.

Lastly, you could own 50 mustangs, it makes no difference as not a single mustang has ever been built with an engine like this, on a platform like this, with suspension like this ... you catch my point. Theres no sense in trying to compare the outgoing model in terms of performance. All we can do now is speculate and wait.
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point is.......... if ur rooting for a camaro or camero like some call it get the f off. Ur on the wrong site to put the mustang down let me re-direct u to a camaro site where you can tell everyone about how u like ur camaro better than mustang. here ur just pissing off the mustang community

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anyone interested in camaro click the link thats where u belong

LOL it doesn't piss me off one bit and I think mustangs are far better as a package than the Calamari.

And why is this in the tech section? Lol


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I am sure the Camaro and other cars handle well on the track, but there is one major flaw it is a GM (Government Motors) would not invest a dime into a bailout company product. Ford held their own and Ford like many manufacturers have went and received financing but they never bailed out like the others.

I don't understand. GM is still an American Company right? And if people are so hard up on the bailout situation then by dumping on GM because of the bailout you may very well perpetuate a failing scenario for GM because of the negative PR you're spreading to friends and families etc...

If it fails then for one thing the bailout money would be wasted and we as Americans will have one less American company to proudly call American.

Then there wouldn't be a C7 or a C7 Z06 that does 0-60 just about as fast as the GTR and turns the 1/4 faster than it. And have a lateral g of like 1.1-1.2g (I can't remember) on a rear wheel drive platform.

That's pretty damn good for a bailout company. I say GM keep it up. I wouldn't buy a Z28 but I sure as hell would put Mia up for trade for a Z06.


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Pretty sure the GT350 would blow the VW doors off at any track, straight or curvy.

Maybe ? But iam dam sure you wont buy that GT
for $40k

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Maybe ? But iam dam sure you wont buy that GT

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Ill take the VW and keep the extra $30,000 for Gas

Lol I think ur lost buddy. Thinking the what ur looking for is www.ILoveVWBeetles.com


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"Still looks like a Fusion" lol

Where's the naysayers?


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yep im a naysayer i agree its a fusion LOL
I love all the upgraded equipment, but still..eyes too squinty, too far apart.
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yep im a naysayer i agree its a fusion LOL
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I love all the upgraded equipment, but still..eyes too squinty, too far apart.
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Agreed. Just couldn't help myself
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Lastly, you could own 50 mustangs, it makes no difference as not a single mustang has ever been built with an engine like this, on a platform like this, with suspension like this ... you catch my point. Theres no sense in trying to compare the outgoing model in terms of performance. All we can do now is speculate and wait.
Best point. We don't know yet. Completely new platform with IRS finally! And once a real race tuner like Shelby gets ahold of it and puts some race suspension on it, I think its going to be great. That said the Z-28's are phenomenal, but a HUGE part of it is due to is HUGE (and lightweight) wheels/tires.

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If it fails then for one thing the bailout money would be wasted and we as Americans will have one less American company to proudly call American.
Yes we need GM to compete with Ford. We need Camaro's! With out competition, companies rest on their laurels, jack up profits and give you less bang for buck. When there's stiff competition, we as consumers get more bang for buck!!

You do realize the ONLY reason we have such great performing Mustangs that we do right now is b/c Ford was caught with its pants down when Camaro relaunched in 2009 with a 300+hp V6 and 400+hp V8. Ford had to jump 100+ hp in 2011 to play catch up.

If there was no Camaro, we'd probably have 375hp GT's and 275hp V6's right now..
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I agree, one of my best friends is a die hard chevy fan, and we're always excited when the other brings something to the table, because it means our brand is likely going to address it. Competition is a very good thing indeed.
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I love all the upgraded equipment, but still..eyes too squinty, too far apart.

Those two mustangs in the picture look nothing like a fusion..... Lol


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Those two mustangs in the picture look nothing like a fusion..... Lol
True. Though I think I prefer the billet style grille of the bottom (California Special) mustang.

Speaking of Mustangs and Fusions......


Everything is starting to look alike. The problem I see with the above is low speed impacts will kill the grill vs. having a little piece in the middle for a bumper. Even parrallel parking could be a risky venture.
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I don't know if I am looking at the wrong pictures, but the bottom picture people are referring to is a Fusion. Look at the hood and the rear doors. One person called it a California Special with a Billet grill, another said neither of those Mustangs look like a Fusion. What am I missing? I see one red Mustang above one red Fusion.


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I don't know if I am looking at the wrong pictures, but the bottom picture people are referring to is a Fusion. Look at the hood and the rear doors. One person called it a California Special with a Billet grill, another said neither of those Mustangs look like a Fusion. What am I missing? I see one red Mustang above one red Fusion.


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Ever see a comedy show with a comedian with dry and slightly sarcastic humor?

Well if not then Cbird is probably your first experience albeit maybe not very well delivered. Lol


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Ever see a comedy show with a comedy with dry and slightly sarcastic humor?

Well if not then Cbird is probably your first experience albeit not a very well delivered. Lol


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Ok. I wondered but wasn't really sure.


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Ever see a comedy show with a comedy with dry and slightly sarcastic humor?

Well if not then Cbird is probably your first experience albeit not a very well delivered. Lol


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What was wrong with the delivery?? I thought it was spot on... Lol


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What was wrong with the delivery?? I thought it was spot on... Lol


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Cuz GrabberMeBlue completely missed it! Hmmm I suppose there's a remote possibility that GMB has a couple of missing funny bones... Lol


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What was wrong with the delivery?? I thought it was spot on... Lol


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In the words of George Costanza, "It's not you, it's me." I must just be a little slow today.


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In the words of George Costanza, "It's not you, it's me." I must just be a little slow today.


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I was just following the narrative that the fusion and mustang look similar. At least in respect to the front end

I honestly think the mustang looks great though. I like everything about the 15. I just suck at comedy apparently :p


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I was just following the narrative that the fusion and mustang look similar. At least in respect to the front end

I honestly think the mustang looks great though. I like everything about the 15. I just suck at comedy apparently :p


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If it's any consolation I LMAO and tinkled my pants a few drops on your comedic attempt... 😄😊😄😊😄


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I love the looks and sound of this GT350. I have a 14 GT and if the price is not off the wall i think i am in for a trade up. I do a fair amount of tracking and racing, the point about the carbon fiber brakes, yes they are more efficient than steel rotors but also why more costly to operate and burn up on the track. Anyone who seriously does a lot of road course tracking will want the steel rotors and pads, just to costly otherwise.

I wonder what the transmission is going to be, I hope the Tremic
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I don't know if I am looking at the wrong pictures, but the bottom picture people are referring to is a Fusion. Look at the hood and the rear doors. One person called it a California Special with a Billet grill, another said neither of those Mustangs look like a Fusion. What am I missing? I see one red Mustang above one red Fusion.


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I think this article has more information:

2016 Ford Shelby GT350 Mustang

Hightlights:
-flat-plane crankshaft 5.2L V8 (500+hp),
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-aluminum fenders & hood,
-Specially designed Recaro sport seats,
-all-new integrated driver control system allows selection of five unique modes that tailor ABS, stability control, traction control, steering effort, throttle mapping, MagneRide tuning and exhaust settings, depending on driver preference, to achieve maximum performance
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You are an idiot and obviously on the wrong forum. I feel like you'd be the guy that would be arguing that a massive d!ldo attached to a 600hp engine is a badass ride. At the end of the day, you'd still be driving around looking like a huge dick. Take that dick-loving vw crap elsewhere. Bra...

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Wtf. It's a golf. Don't care if it has 900hp.


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^^ AGREED ^^

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And it's not even coming to the U.S. The article says it would be hard pressed to find Americans to buy a golf at 40k. Rightfully so.


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Nice to see Ford finally catch up with everyone else in the handling department by using magnetic suspension. However, no carbon ceramic brakes means this car will still be slower than the Z28 on a track.
Wtf? Ceramic brakes are great for high heat- but steel brakes brake better.

A many lap race, or extreme braking over a long period of time- ceramic. The best stopping power, steel.

Some high performance cars offer steel brakes INSTEAD of ceramic brakes for that reason.

Ceramic is smoother, lasts longer, is more heat resistant, and doesn't leave magnetic brake dust. Google searching it will show countless results of this.

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I am sure the Camaro and other cars handle well on the track, but there is one major flaw it is a GM (Government Motors) would not invest a dime into a bailout company product. Ford held their own and Ford like many manufacturers have went and received financing but they never bailed out like the others.
Exactly sir....you nailed it....
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Wtf? Ceramic brakes are great for high heat- but steel brakes brake better.

A many lap race, or extreme braking over a long period of time- ceramic. The best stopping power, steel.

Some high performance cars offer steel brakes INSTEAD of ceramic brakes for that reason.

Ceramic is smoother, lasts longer, is more heat resistant, and doesn't leave magnetic brake dust. Google searching it will show countless results of this.

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Ford couldn't make it a single lap around Nurburgring without the brakes overheating on the Boss or 13/14 GT500, that is why there is no official lap times. When they finally did make it around, they had switched out the pads with basically racing compound ones. Halfway through their lap, they still had brake issues.

I'm not arguing that steel brakes can't produce equal or better numbers than ceramic, they can and do. However, on a track like that (Nurburgring) or at a track day, any steel brake will start to suffer brake fade. That is why the Z28 will be faster. Unless Ford has CC brakes for the GT350 (they do have pictures of them on the car) or managed the impossible (Ford brakes have always sucked so it's unlikely), it won't be able to beat the Z28 around a track.

As for high performance cars offering steel brakes, they do. However, step up into the super/hyper car, they all have carbon ceramics. Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, BMW, GM (Corvette and Camaro Z28), Nissan (GTR), Lexus (LFA), McLaren, Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti and Mercedes AMG. They all offer or come standard with carbon ceramic brakes. If they had no benefit over a steel brake, they wouldn't have them.

Here is a Nissan GTR with standard vs CC brakes. In a full stop from 170 MPH, the CC stopped 108 feet shorter. The GTR has some stellar standard brakes too.



Or this, 13 of the top 25 best braking cars from 100kmh (62mph) - 0 use Brembo carbon ceramics in 2008 - Top Cars - Brembo Brakes

Or this - 22 Cars that Stop from 60 MPH in Less Than 100 Feet - Motor Trend


I think the GT350 will be a better street car, the Z28 will be a faster track car, mostly because of the brakes.
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You have no idea which one will be a faster track car. How about we wait and see what the GT350 can do on a track or are we just going to give it the loss before it has a chance to speak for itself?

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I wish I knew off hand the episode of TG that Lamborghini or whatever company offered steel brakes instead of the standard ceramic because they worked better :/

One day I will find it! One point of this debate, is the quality of ceramic vs the quality of steel, and what is being offered.

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