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Old 12-08-2013, 06:33 PM   #316
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There will most likely be two versions of the Voodoo engine. One that is n/a and another that is twin turbo. The TT will go into whatever car will replace the GT500.The n/a version will go into a Boss/Mach 1 replacement. I personally think the GT350 will be the Boss replacement and the GT500 will be renamed CobraJet or Ford will just bring back the Cobra.
I'm looking for the link that was posted that the voodoo is going in the gt 350 that's replacing the gt 500 it's a 5.2 Tt form what I read and the mach will replace the boss with the n/a 5.2 I'm sure but ether way they will both be nasty
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GT will not have 475 in the first year. They will not put their GT spec within 75 of the Mach I or Cobra or whatever.

If they did no one would want to spend $13-15k more for just 75hp. ESPECIALLY if the GT comes with forged internals.

With forged internals you can do a lot with $13-15k.

You don't ever show hand with nothing in the pot to gain. You show hand in the first year your back at square one in the second year with no additional leverage.

If Ford does in fact come out with 475hp more power to them and great for buyers. But what I'm saying is strategically its stupid to do that in the first year and to drive HP up so close to a Mach I and have forged internals.

GT is meant to be their entry level performance model far enough away from their specialty vehicles.
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The turbo four is said to cost more than the 6 cylinder so I`m sure it will have more Hp .... perhaps 400 is optimistic but I think 350 hp out of a twin turbo 4 is very possible.
Everyone has said, including sources close to FORD, such as mustang6g.com, that the Turbo 4 will be around 310HP. Get your head out of whatever it's in. 350 with a TUNE, then yes, but from the FACTORY, nope.
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Although I know someone will bring up the Boss (444hp vs 420hp) vs GT but the Boss has powder forged internals and has a different driving characteristic than the GT.

If both the gT and Boss have the same internals I'm completely stupid to spend $10k more base price for the Boss based on suspension alone.
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This was your original post about the 15' GT performance... No mention of you saying low 4sec stock or running slicks to get 3sec 0-60 and 11sec 1/4. Every post after you change your times and added slicks.

Believe half of what you see and none of what you read or hear.

No way will the new GT be pushing close to vette viper or 14' GT500 numbers.
Well maybe the stingray!

I think Ford should take the Mustang in the direction to compete with the vette and under cut it on the sticker price. With the current weight loss it is getting close to the vettes weight. The vette is WAAAAY over priced at $60k The new GT will be nipping at it's heals for over $20k less. Ha!!!
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Although I know someone will bring up the Boss (444hp vs 420hp) vs GT but the Boss has powder forged internals and has a different driving characteristic than the GT. If both the gT and Boss have the same internals I'm completely stupid to spend $10k more base price for the Boss based on suspension alone.
If they are going with forged internals that means one or two things...high revving and/or high revving with boost. The bottom end might be common between both a GT or premium Mustang to save on long term cost/tuning.
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Here you go...wait till the 4:45 mark...CNE himself (yes, he's up there at Ford) mentions the forged rods...

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It is not you people... it is Gladiatoro stating 475hp. Myself and my opinion Ford will jump up to about the 435hp range. I agree with you 70hp is way to much of a jump. I just wish Gladiatoro would bet me a burnout in his car that the 15' GT will not be a sub 4sec 0-60 car. I would love to burn the tires off his car.
The 6 jumped from 210 to 305
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The 6 jumped from 210 to 305
Yeah cause the gt jumped from 305 to 410 and because of the new motor. You can thank gm for that with the camaro
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The turbo four should wind up with track packages for handling. Expect it to make noise on the circuits. The 5.0 will have its own venues to impress.

And for those who cannot get around any minor resemblance to the Fusion, the Fusion took some of its styling cues from the 13-14 Mustang. The only major deviation from tradition is the headlights, and that is the way things are trending.

The 5.0 and 3.7 were developed for the F150. The Camaro just got it into the Mustang sooner than later. The Boss 302 was a Mustang bonus, probably to test new technologies.
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The 6 jumped from 210 to 305

...mainly because Ford dumped the old 4.0L boat anchor and replaced it with the 3.7 twin cam...
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Yeah cause the gt jumped from 305 to 410 and because of the new motor. You can thank gm for that with the camaro


The horsepower war continues ....
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The 6 jumped from 210 to 305
We are talking V8 here get out with that weak crap.
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The horsepower war continues ....
So from 420 to 475 is not unreasonable.... considering the next gen
Camaro will up the HP as well , ford may pull the trigger early and
dominate for a few years...
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The 5.0 and 3.7 were developed for the F150. The Camaro just got it into the Mustang sooner than later. The Boss 302 was a Mustang bonus, probably to test new technologies.

The 3.7 got into the Mustang because of emissions regulations...no sense redeveloping something that is old and outdated...would've cost the same if not more to do that...I'll agree that it helped that the competition had upped its game but that wasn't the only reason the 4.0L was dropped ...you're right about the 302--the lessons learnt from that program definitely had an impact on the 15....namely it's engine...
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Yeah cause the gt jumped from 305 to 410 and because of the new motor. You can thank gm for that with the camaro
Exactly.. So anything possible. ---------- Post added at 10:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 PM ----------
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We are talking V8 here get out with that weak crap.
Lol, ignorance is bliss. Regardless, the V8 also jumped up from the 4.6 to the 5.0 (305hp to 410 someone said?).... My point was anything is possible.
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Exactly.. So anything possible. ---------- Post added at 10:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 PM ---------- Lol, ignorance is bliss. Regardless, the V8 also jumped up from the 4.6 to the 5.0 (305hp to 410 someone said?).... My point was anything is possible.
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Exactly.. So anything possible. ---------- Post added at 10:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 PM ---------- Lol, ignorance is bliss. Regardless, the V8 also jumped up from the 4.6 to the 5.0 (305hp to 410 someone said?).... My point was anything is possible.
First off, these jumps in HP in the last two generation didnt happen in the first year.

1993 4cyl had 105hp
1995 V6 had 145hp
1997 V6 had 150hp
1998 v6 had 150hp
1999 V6 had 190hp
2004 V6 had 190hp
2005 V6 had 210hp
2011 V6 then jumped to 305hp

1993 GT had 205hp
1995 GT had 215hp
1997 GT had 215hp
1998 GT had 225hp
1999 GT had 240hp
2004 GT had 260hp
2005 GT had 300hp
2011 GT then jumped to 412hp

There were subsequent increases in HP between 2005 and 2010 but the "huge" increase in HP you are referring to as possible happened Later into the generation towards the latter part of its lifespan.

As you can see from the last three gens the strategy as been to keep the first model of a new generation right about the same with a moderate increase except for the move from the 4cylinder to the V6 in 1994 by percentage.

Most likely the new GT will see anywhere from 10-40hp increase with the most likely case being somewhere closer to 20hp if even that.

Nothing so far indicates fuel injection to be available in 2015. It's still strategically sound for them to stagger introduction of new technology to boost future sales.

2015 - IRS, new design, 430-435hp
2016 - maybe intro fuel injection and then up HP to 460hp to boost sales
2017 - Mach I with forged internals and upgraded suspension @ 500hp NA
2018 - GT with 475hp
2018 - Mach I 600hp+ TTcharged

That's if some of you are correct about Mach I NA and TT variants.
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Exactly.. So anything possible. ---------- Post added at 10:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 PM ---------- Lol, ignorance is bliss. Regardless, the V8 also jumped up from the 4.6 to the 5.0 (305hp to 410 someone said?).... My point was anything is possible.
You have to remember the jump in power from the 4.0 and 4.6 were because of the new 3.7 and 5.0 plus the Camaro receiving 306hp V6 and 426hp V8 in their 2010 model. Anything is possible but Ford is not going to jump the GT power up 55hp right away. The Ford website said the 5.0 will get a bump in power does 55hp sound like a bump or a jump in power? To me 55hp is a jump in power. 15hp is a bump in power. Even you stated the 4.6 to 5.0 was a jump in power and that was 100hp. A bump of 55hp would be in a car like the Bugati Veyron.
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Likely people who buy the 2015 Mustang will regret it once the direct injection hits likely
2016 with around 475 HP , it's a wait and see approach I personally would not buy the all new Mustang until that technology is implemented.... no question direct injection is on the table the question is when....
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That new Prius is pretty cool.
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Ha I think it is you who is smoking crack since I don`t do drugs it certainly is not me and yes low 4`s to high 3`s and low 12`s to high 11`s but ...........
only if the 2015 is DIRECT INJECTED with that being said the numbers I predict may not materialize until the 2016 model year .
Dude your numbers are all over the place and everything you say you constantly change your story. I highly doubt the new GT will ever be a sub 3sec 0-60 and sub 12 quarter. It will be real close and only the best drag racer will hit 3's and 11's STOCK!!!

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Here you go...wait till the 4:45 mark...CNE himself (yes, he's up there at Ford) mentions the forged rods...

http://youtu.be/-dbi9hM-RWk
Theres more to internals than rods. Guys on here said internals which mean rods, crank, pistons etc.
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Likely people who buy the 2015 Mustang will regret it once the direct injection hits likely
2016 with around 475 HP , it's a wait and see approach I personally would not buy the all new Mustang until that technology is implemented.... no question direct injection is on the table the question is when....
They won't regret it. They may be upset, but won't regret they purchased a GT with probably about 435hp. That will still be bada$$.
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They won't regret it. They may be upset, but won't regret they purchased a GT with probably about 435hp. That will still be bada$$.

Absolutely right. As in anything, every year to come, a brand has to improve or they will lose market share. I am getting one of the 1st and supercharging in the 600 HP range and enjoying it. When the new one comes out, or the Shelby edition, I can always trade up!

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Ha I think it is you who is smoking crack since I don`t do drugs it certainly is not me and yes low 4`s to high 3`s and low 12`s to high 11`s but ........... only if the 2015 is DIRECT INJECTED with that being said the numbers I predict may not materialize until the 2016 model year .
@gladiatoro: while you make some valid points, I completely disagree with your predicted performance figures stated above....seriously, high 3's to low 4's 0-60 time...maybe for the GT500 replacement..no way a N/A GT or Mach 1/Boss will hit performance numbers like that. As good as the n/a engines are, they don't produce enough torque low in the rev range to even get close--even with launch control. If you recall, the GT500 had a 0-60 time of 3.5 sec and a 1/4 mile of 11.6 seconds. My point is, only a premium model (read Cobra/GT500 replacement) Mustang will be able to match those numbers and that model will need to have healthy torque down low (read: forced induction).

Any other opinion would suggest that the forum member posting it spends a lot of time reading this....
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Dude your numbers are all over the place and everything you say you constantly change your story. I highly doubt the new GT will ever be a sub 3sec 0-60 and sub 12 quarter. It will be real close and only the best drag racer will hit 3's and 11's STOCK!!! ---------- Post added at 11:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:25 AM ---------- Theres more to internals than rods. Guys on here said internals which mean rods, crank, pistons etc.
Ya, no s**t. The complete reciprocating assembly in the bottom end and not to mention the heads...

---------- Post added at 12:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:17 PM ----------

The 2015 GT will basically get a slightly revised version of the Boss 302 engine. In the Boss it had 444hp. The 2015 will have a "reported" 450hp but be slightly underrated. The real number will be between 450-460hp.

Whatever Ford does in 2016 and beyond for the GT is just speculation at this point.
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Absolutely right. As in anything, every year to come, a brand has to improve or they will lose market share. I am getting one of the 1st and supercharging in the 600 HP range and enjoying it. When the new one comes out, or the Shelby edition, I can always trade up!

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Looking at all these renderings. The only way i like the look is with stripes of some kind and body work done to it. A plan 15' GT stock does nothing for me. When the final power numbers come out in a few years and if I'm financially set to buy one i will and mod the crap out of the appearance side of the new mustang.

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@gladiatoro: while you make some valid points, I completely disagree with your predicted performance figures stated above....seriously, high 3's to low 4's 0-60 time...maybe for the GT500 replacement..no way a N/A GT or Mach 1/Boss will hit performance numbers like that. As good as the n/a engines are, they don't produce enough torque low in the rev range to even get close--even with launch control. If you recall, the GT500 had a 0-60 time of 3.5 sec and a 1/4 mile of 11.6 seconds. My point is, only a premium model (read Cobra/GT500 replacement) Mustang will be able to match those numbers and that model will need to have healthy torque down low (read: forced induction).

Any other opinion would suggest that the forum member posting it spends a lot of time reading this....
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The 3.7 got into the Mustang because of emissions regulations...no sense redeveloping something that is old and outdated...would've cost the same if not more to do that...I'll agree that it helped that the competition had upped its game but that wasn't the only reason the 4.0L was dropped ...you're right about the 302--the lessons learnt from that program definitely had an impact on the 15....namely it's engine...
I agree, but my understanding was that it was developed for the F150 and not slated for the Mustang for a couple more years. That was the reason for the 2010 body change without the new engines.
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@gladiatoro: while you make some valid points, I completely disagree with your predicted performance figures stated above....seriously, high 3's to low 4's 0-60 time...maybe for the GT500 replacement..no way a N/A GT or Mach 1/Boss will hit performance numbers like that. As good as the n/a engines are, they don't produce enough torque low in the rev range to even get close--even with launch control. If you recall, the GT500 had a 0-60 time of 3.5 sec and a 1/4 mile of 11.6 seconds. My point is, only a premium model (read Cobra/GT500 replacement) Mustang will be able to match those numbers and that model will need to have healthy torque down low (read: forced induction).

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The GT 500 2013 got 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds with a curb weight of 3850 , now let's
shed some weight like 450 pounds and reduce the power to 450-475 HP
if direct injection is available right away these numbers are no problem
plus with direct injection low end power is much improved a proven fact ,
and you have a power to weight ratio that will be capable of low 4.s high
3's simple math with launch control of course which the 2015 mustang will have as has been stated by Ford... now adding a Large SUPERCHARGER / Intercooler to the mix I don't see why the new mustang could not beat the 3.5 0 to 60 , it will have MUCH less weight and similar HP as the Shelby ...
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The GT 2013 got 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds with a curb weight of 3850 , now let's shed some weight like 450 pounds and reduce the power to 450-475 HP if direct injection is available right away these numbers are no problem plus with direct injection low end power is much improved a proven fact , and you have a power to weight ratio that will be capable of low 4.s high 3's simple math with launch control of course which the 2015 mustang will have as has been stated by Ford... now adding a Large SUPERCHARGER / Intercooler to the mix I don't see why the new mustang could not beat the 3.5 0 to 60 , it will have MUCH less weight and similar HP as the Shelby ...
I hope you meant GT500, otherwise, what are you smoking, the GT did 0-60 in 4.2-4.3.
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They won't regret it. They may be upset, but won't regret they purchased a GT with probably about 435hp. That will still be bada$$.


I will wait until Direct Injection is available and power is at a minimum of 475 HP
and if that is in 2016 fine I will wait , then add a SUPERCHARGER to the mix THEN IT WILL BE BAD ***.... 475 + 40% = 665 HP similar POWER as the 2013 Shelby GT 500 only MUCH lighter .
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