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Old 02-26-2014, 04:50 PM   #1
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If 2015 wasn't the 50th?

If 2015 wasn't the 50th anniversary, how many more years would they have kept the 13-14 design?

Everyone has their opinion of the 2015. But most people seem to like the current design. Personally I love the 2014 and was very critical of the upcoming 2015. I think that if the 2015 design was not labeled 50th anniversary, it would have been more accepted initially and if the current model had run a few more years. If the 2015 was introduced as a 2017 or 18, it would have been better accepted also. The more I see the new one the more I like it, not much on a turbo 4, though.
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You believe they rushed the new design just to have new car for the 50?


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You believe they rushed the new design just to have new car for the 50?

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I'm sure they planned it for years, but it just doesn't seem like from a marketing perspective that the current 13-14 models had run their course.
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I belive they are releasing 2014 1/2 mustangs before the 2015. The 2015 wont come out until Q4(I guess, Oct, Nov, Dec...but needs to hurry up)
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Are you a parrot? All you do is repeat someone else's point like you are the voice of reason.

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Bahaha! Hahaha! (So funny I continued to laugh after writing the first 'baha').

OP I see what you're saying, you're saying if they kept the very-loved 13 body style for a couple of more years until it "got old" people would be more accepting to the 15' body style. Good point there.
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It doesn't really matter when it's available, it's already impacted the 2014 sales.
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Ok. Ill just continue then. The 2014 1/2 hasnt been officially confirmed by Ford. The rumor is they will only make 1000 2014 1/2 mustangs, presumably for the...diehard mustang fans. With such a low amount in production its not a surprise they havent advertised it yet...if its true at all...
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Ok. Ill just continue then. The 2014 1/2 hasnt been officially confirmed by Ford. The rumor is they will only make 1000 2014 1/2 mustangs, presumably for the...diehard mustang fans. With such a low amount in production its not a surprise they havent advertised it yet...if its true at all...
Yeah, Ford said they would have the 2014 1/2 badged models limited to 1,000. Which is clever to try and keep the 2014 model sales up until the new 2015 model is available.

My point is that the S197 had just evolved into a popular design with the introduction of a new 5.0 engine and the body tweaks. If there was not a milestone anniversary, then it would have been sold for a few more years.
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If 2015 wasn't the 50th?

The Coyote deserves a new platform instead of one that's 9 years old. Note that the 13-14 isn't a new design. It's an old design that's been refreshed (that I love, but it is what it is). And while the 2010 refresh did rejuvenate sales, it was a defibrillating jolt to a pulse that'd had already stopped. Sales climbed back up somewhat, but not to 2005, 06, and 07 levels. 2013 and 2014, I suspect, did something similar. But S197 sales have been declining, as to be expected. The 2015 will be coming at just the right time and Ford knows it.
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The Coyote deserves a new platform instead of one that's 9 years old. Note that the 13-14 isn't a new design. It's an old design that's been refreshed (that I love, but it is what it is). And while the 2010 refresh did rejuvenate sales, it was a defibrillating jolt to a pulse that'd had already stopped. Sales climbed back up somewhat, but not to 2005, 06, and 07 levels. 2013 and 2014, I suspect, did something similar. But S197 sales have been declining, as to be expected. The 2015 will be coming at just the right time and Ford knows it.
2005-2007 was in a good economy and no competition. The current S197 version ( of course 13-14 is not a new platform) is in a bad economy and now has competition with the Camaros and Challengers. 2015 will definitely be a big technological improvement and in performance. But good timing will be determined by price. If the IRS, aluminum panels and a third engine option drive the price too far past the 2014, then it will be a problem.
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2005-2007 was in a good economy and no competition. The current S197 version ( of course 13-14 is not a new platform) is in a bad economy and now has competition with the Camaros and Challengers. 2015 will definitely be a big technological improvement and in performance. But good timing will be determined by price. If the IRS, aluminum panels and a third engine option drive the price too far past the 2014, then it will be a problem.

Fully agree with you. Though auto sales are finally rebounding (hit a low in 2008/2009 I think). I'm sure that Ford understands that the Mustang was, is, and always should be a Euro-styled, high powered, RWD, 2+2, affordable sports car. If Ford lost that ideal, then I'd say it'd be time to close the book on the Mustang. The 2015 is going to have to be all three of those things (we can already see that it's some of them lol).
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Fords continued success is due to innovation.

Why would they stretch out a design until it is old and dull? Ever hear of a challenger? It's the same fat, slow, overpriced garbage they were making year one- and a blatant replica of what they made 40 years ago.

Ford knows the only way to grow their business is to grow their designs and technology. Look at how frequently the Fusion is developing.

Innovate, grow, adapt- or fail. Maybe I should cross out fail and put bail out...
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Fords continued success is due to innovation.

Why would they stretch out a design until it is old and dull? Ever hear of a challenger? It's the same fat, slow, overpriced garbage they were making year one- and a blatant replica of what they made 40 years ago.

Ford knows the only way to grow their business is to grow their designs and technology. Look at how frequently the Fusion is developing.

Innovate, grow, adapt- or fail. Maybe I should cross out fail and put bail out...
I agree they must continue to innovate. The point was that the 13-14 was a freshened up S197, new motor and new front and rearend, if it weren't the 50th, they would have kept it a couple more years. I wasn't saying to sell the same design forever and not offer the S550.
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I agree they must continue to innovate. The point was that the 13-14 was a freshened up S197, new motor and new front and rearend, if it weren't the 50th, they would have kept it a couple more years. I wasn't saying to sell the same design forever and not offer the S550.
Not arguing, I didn't take your comments that way, just that Ford is staying ahead by keeping their cars fresh. Instead of 5-6+ year runs, its more like 4. Doesn't seem like much, but a year is a long time.
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Not arguing, I didn't take your comments that way, just that Ford is staying ahead by keeping their cars fresh. Instead of 5-6+ year runs, its more like 4. Doesn't seem like much, but a year is a long time.
It's cool. Ford is staying ahead of the curve better than GM or dodge. I wouldnt buy a GM car for anything, never have, never will. It's good to have the competition and keep Ford on their toes.
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It's cool. Ford is staying ahead of the curve better than GM or dodge. I wouldnt buy a GM car for anything, never have, never will. It's good to have the competition and keep Ford on their toes.
Agreed. I think the Mustang was really complacent and kind of forgotten until the newest Camaro was released- and Ford realized that just because the Mustang was the only reasonably priced FR on the road doesn't mean people will just buy it.

But competition breeds innovation and is a blessing to consumers.
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If 2015 wasn't the 50th? .......( 1964 + 50 = ? )
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If 2015 wasn't the 50th? .......( 1964 + 50 = ? )
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Touching on this and what some others were saying about a limited number release, the 2014 Mustang Week Show has a category for best 2015. So I would guess there will be a solid number of 2015s or 2014 1/2s in the coming months if a show held in July already anticipates a class for such. But maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see.
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If 2015 wasn't the 50th? .......( 1964 + 50 = ? )
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Wow, thanks for actually reading the post and not just reading the title and posting a simple math lesson.
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If 2015 wasn't the 50th? .......( 1964 + 50 = ? )
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You and I both know that the 2015 is the 50th Anniversary Mustang. There was no "1964 Mustang."
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Whether or not the new Mustang was 2014 ½, 2015 or 2018, Ford needs something new and fresh. The Camaro has cannibalized the market that Ford used to own. Since at least 2012, the Camaro has outsold the Mustang.

That has to hurt Fords bottom line of rehashing aging platforms over and over until they cannot compete performance wise or with the american public.

50th or not, GM forced Ford to build a new and better Mustang. In that sense, we all win.
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Whether or not the new Mustang was 2014 ½, 2015 or 2018, Ford needs something new and fresh. The Camaro has cannibalized the market that Ford used to own. Since at least 2012, the Camaro has outsold the Mustang.

That has to hurt Fords bottom line of rehashing aging platforms over and over until they cannot compete performance wise or with the american public.

50th or not, GM forced Ford to build a new and better Mustang. In that sense, we all win.
Chevy took their cue from Ford again, just like in 1967. They made a retro Camaro that was only supposed to be a a car, but only a concept car,but it became popular from transformers. Chevy buyers didnt have a camaro or a V8 car option other than the vette. But they've already started to ruin the new models with stupid tail lights. But it's good for Mustang to have competition for sure.
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Chevy took their cue from Ford again, just like in 1967. They made a retro Camaro that was only supposed to be a a car, but only a concept car,but it became popular from transformers. Chevy buyers didnt have a camaro or a V8 car option other than the vette. But they've already started to ruin the new models with stupid tail lights. But it's good for Mustang to have competition for sure.

Yeah, I think that the Camaro has been a step behind the Mustang ever since day one.
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I doubt the Transformer movies have a lot to do with the sales of the Camaro at this point. It was brilliant marketing by GM when the first movie was released but by now I think it's influence has passed.

Also, remember that up until 2011, Ford's every-man Mustang GT (not the SVT models) was actually slower than GM's F-bodies from 1998-2002. Which, when put into perspective like that, is actually kinda sad.

I hope Ford has the chassis on this new car figured out. Otherwise, GM is going to publicize handling and track times so much that, like currently with the Shelby GT500, Ford will be so embarrassed by how bad their cars perform that they won't officially produce lap times (Nubrugring, GT500 kept losing it's brakes before a single lap could be completed on the stock pads).
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