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Old 06-07-2014, 07:51 PM   #36
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Wait, the mighty Coyote 5.0 doesn't make much power until 3000 RPM? The whole reason I would even consider it is if I could lug around and not have to downshift like on the V6. The thing that disappointed me with my 03 GT is it didn't feel like a grunty V8, I had to rev that thing just like on my 350Z. The whole point of getting a V8 is not having to shift as much and having the option of more than one gear at any given time. I hope the new Mustang does well but as an Import type of guy the Turbo 4 is the only one that interests me in the least but not if it's heavier than my 2014 V6.
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Wait, the mighty Coyote 5.0 doesn't make much power until 3000 RPM? The whole reason I would even consider it is if I could lug around and not have to downshift like on the V6. The thing that disappointed me with my 03 GT is it didn't feel like a grunty V8, I had to rev that thing just like on my 350Z. The whole point of getting a V8 is not having to shift as much and having the option of more than one gear at any given time. I hope the new Mustang does well but as an Import type of guy the Turbo 4 is the only one that interests me in the least but not if it's heavier than my 2014 V6.

Lol no the point of a v8 is not so you can shift less lmao. I'm sure when they say it's weak in the low rpms they are comparing it to how it is in high rpms. It's probably relatively fast in low rpms, just not comparable to when it revved up.
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The coyote 5.0 simply requires RPM to make power. Whereas the Hemi's and LS3 do not.

If you look at a dyno graph, the coyote engine is very soft before 3,000 rpm, after that it does alright. The competition simply makes a good bit more power from idle to 3,000 rpm.

K&N's website has dyno graphs for nearly every car. Look through these to see for yourself.

2011+ Mustang 5.0 - http://www.knfilters.com/dynocharts/63-2578_dyno.pdf

LS3 Corvette (don't have an LS3 Camaro) - http://www.knfilters.com/dynocharts/63-3073_dyno.pdf

2010 L99 Camaro (automatic) - http://www.knfilters.com/dynocharts/63-3074_dyno.pdf

2011 Challenger SRT8 6.4L - http://www.knfilters.com/dynocharts/69-2545_dyno.pdf


So looking through those, at 2000 rpm, the Mustang is only putting down 80 rwhp and 230 rwtq, the Challenger SRT8 6.4 is putting down around 120 rwhp and 330 rwtq, the LS3 is putting down around 110 rwhp and 280 rwtq, the L99 Camaro looks to put down around 110 rwhp and 300 rwtq.

Those are fairly large differences where the majority of people do their driving. Also, adding more weight to this car will further emphasize it's lack of low end power compared with the competition.

The 5.0 still has enough torque to lug at lower rpm, it's just not anything close to the competition.
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What I wanna know is, where the hell are those *** clowns that used to be all over the 2015 rumors threads stating it as FACT that they had knowledge and confirmation that the '15 was going to be smaller and lighter than the prior year model? Where the flip are those guys?!? They have some esssplaing to doo!!!
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We all know this is a guess from Steeda, who have not weighed anything- they were "looking at it" and THOUGHT this. They have since made some changes to their statement.

In a Ford One article FORD stated it lost weight. No offense to Steeda, but them looking at it vs Fords statement; I'll go with Ford. They haven't really been screwing things up lately, I doubt they did here.

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IIRC, it was Ford who said one of the main goals was to shed weight. IMHO, if this thing is pushing the 3800-4k mark its a loser and I would seriously start looking at the Camaro and even the Challenger. Camaro already outhandles the Coyote, if it starts being able to put down the same or a better 1/4 time from the factory while costing the same... eh... Like I said Ford absolutely nailed it in 2011 but I think this 2015 model is taking a step back to the years where they are relying on looks and V6 (4 banger now) sales to beat the competition. Only positive is as bad as Ford's 2015 rearend design is, the current Camaro's is worse IMO.
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well that's bull****. plenty of sources came out and said it was going to be a weight drop. time for the Camaros to start dominating again. long live the mustang again.
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I can't believe so many people are caught up in some idiots guessing compared to Ford making a declaration.

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I can't believe so many people are caught up in some idiots guessing compared to Ford making a declaration.

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No, it was FORD that originally stated the Mustang would be lighter. So yes that might lead ppl to get caught up in it a bit...
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I swear some of you guys are getting way to caught up on weight. If the car is an overall better car but weighs a little more who cares? It's not like a few mods can't make up for it. There are a lot of cars in the 4k range that are unbelievable performers and id rather have an overall good car then something that can go in a straight line a little faster. The Nissan GTR weighs nearly 4000 lbs but is considered a production super car. I'm sure if most of you had the opportunity to get a GTR you wouldn't turn it down just because it weighs a few hundred pounds more then a mustang.
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Heck, the Camaro weighs more, but the 1LE destroys us on a track

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I swear some of you guys are getting way to caught up on weight. If the car is an overall better car but weighs a little more who cares? It's not like a few mods can't make up for it. There are a lot of cars in the 4k range that are unbelievable performers and id rather have an overall good car then something that can go in a straight line a little faster. The Nissan GTR weighs nearly 4000 lbs but is considered a production super car. I'm sure if most of you had the opportunity to get a GTR you wouldn't turn it down just because it weighs a few hundred pounds more then a mustang.
When ppl with Coyotes are running 9s on stock longblocks every little bit of weight counts. Obviously not for your average driver. Say the 2015 weighs 300lbs more than the 2014 and the power is the same and the SRA vs the IRS for a straight line race. This is going to be a very big deal for those ppl.

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Pretty sure the 2015 is Ford's version of the current Camaro as far as handling/suspension etc... IMHO they are kind of ceasing to be "pony cars" and becoming something else.
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No, it was FORD that originally stated the Mustang would be lighter. So yes that might lead ppl to get caught up in it a bit...
Exactly. Like I said, Ford declared it will be lighter. Some idiots made a guess. Who do you (figuratively) believe?

(I use the terms idiots because a small company who is blessed to have a 2015 should not be running their mouth out of guesses when they could just weigh it. Surely the person who spoke out no longer works there, or had their rear end handed to them.)

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When ppl with Coyotes are running 9s on stock longblocks every little bit of weight counts. Obviously not for your average driver. Say the 2015 weighs 300lbs more than the 2014 and the power is the same and the SRA vs the IRS for a straight line race. This is going to be a very big deal for those ppl.



Pretty sure the 2015 is Ford's version of the current Camaro as far as handling/suspension etc... IMHO they are kind of ceasing to be "pony cars" and becoming something else.
Yeah, they are becoming entry level sports cars.

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weight is big deal. maybe not for people ( assuming you ) that just daily your cars, drive them no where near there need. 300-400 lbs is a big deal a lot a lot .
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Well the turbo 4 and V6 maybe but I think with the 5.0, Ford is trying to go in the direction GM went with the Camaro and the Z28 etc... I mean ppl laugh about the Z28 being $75k and "just buy a Vette" but then the same guys will go drop $60k+ on a Shelby when they could just "buy a Vette".

I love the 2011-2014 because it is, IMO, what a pony car should be. Badass motor in front of a good trans and a simple but good solid axle rear/suspension setup. Yeah its loaded with tech and all but its still pretty simple all things considered. Even ppl getting all crazy about how good the new 6 speed automatic is... its actually a pretty barebones auto compared to some of the real high end stuff out in BMWs or whatever but its perfect for what it needs to do.

However, this is all one random person on the interwebs' opinion. Maybe the S550 will be a world beating track car, I hope it is but the Camaros already are and Ford is playing catch up in regards to the circle tracks.
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put it this way. mustang is going to fall victim to the new Camaro again, history repeats itself,
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put it this way. mustang is going to fall victim to the new Camaro again, history repeats itself,
Exactly. and it's not good for Ford. Now if Ford had a Corvette competitor (handling wise, I know the GT500 beats it in a straight line) then we would have good competition

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a 14gt500 will not even beat the vette a straight line. stock for stock. 14 gt500 vs 14 stingray. the vette will win
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the new stingrays are fast, especially with a tune/ exhaust. I need the bottle
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a 14gt500 will not even beat the vette a straight line. stock for stock. 14 gt500 vs 14 stingray. the vette will win
14 Vette does a 1/4 in a claimed 3.8 stock, GT500 does it in 3.5 stock. It's close, but the 500 can barely beat it stock, in a straight line.

Cornering, um, yeah, let's not go there, the Stingray trunces the 500 badly.

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im talking real world here bud. not what the factory claims.
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Real world, the vette usually will. It's a close race. I wish I had saved my money for the stingray...

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Right.. But don't those engines produce more at peak power also? I mean the sS puts out more than the GT. But it lose in a straight line. Coyotes are as piggish
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HP #'s does not mean anything. there are also not piggish, just have to know how to set up your car. not just throwing parts at it and a crappy tune. I have 4.10's and she is brutal from a dig. its all about setup not power
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Real world, the vette usually will. It's a close race. I wish I had saved my money for the stingray...

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Base stingray is 53k base MSRP and they are in high demand so dealers have been spiking prices up past MSRP
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Base stingray is 53k base MSRP and they are in high demand so dealers have been spiking prices up past MSRP
Yeah, I know. The base with Z51 is going for about 64K here

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If you want to shift less, buy an automatic.[/QUOTE]

I did, and if you have more torque you don't need to induce a downshift to pick up speed. The benefits of more power in the lower rev range is you can just give a little more throttle but don't have to give it enough to downshift. The whole point of a big gas guzzling motor is not having to rev it up like a smaller motor. Many people buy 1000cc sportbikes simply because they don't have to downshift as much and they don't have to hit 10,000rpm to accelerate hard, making the bike easier to ride. This was always the appeal of the V8, power now.
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HP #'s does not mean anything. there are also not piggish, just have to know how to set up your car. not just throwing parts at it and a crappy tune. I have 4.10's and she is brutal from a dig. its all about setup not power

This pretty much sums it up. You can point to one off factors such as hp, weight, etc but you have to look at the overall package. Not sure if anyone saw a few years ago motor trend did a 1/4 mile race against a 2011 gt500 (3800 lbs, 550 hp), 2011 zo6 (3250 lbs, 505 hp), and a 2012 GTR (3900 lbs, 530 hp). The GTR won with a time of 11.2 @ 122.7 mph, vette second at 11.8 @ 123.4, and the gt500 last at 12.4 @ 115.8 mph.
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I'll take a second faster in a straight line over a second faster on a track with turns. They can keep their IRS and I'll take the lighter mustang with SRA. I don't have any tracks around by me so all the fun is in straight line racing.
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The fact is that if Ford were proud of their weight reduction's on the Mustang they'd be talking about it. However, instead they've been on radio silence for the last year with anything that has to do with weight.

The only thing I've seen in the last year that's discussed the weight of the Mustang at all was a small snippet in an Automotive Engineering International article where a senior Ford engineer (I can't remember the name, sorry) was quoted saying that they used many new components would be made from aluminum to counteract the weight gain due to the IRS.
Hmmm.... sounds like more weight to me.
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I see your point, but I think it's all about keeping the hype going. If they release all the data immediately, then people will lose excitement. Ford has been very open that they are going to slowly leak information and continue a variety of advertising up until release. You might be right, but I think they are just withholding information because they can. We shall see in the coming months!
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