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Old 01-07-2015, 06:31 PM   #36
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Car & Driver would love ford to kill the V8. Then Camaro and Challenger keep pumping out V8's.

They won't kill the V8. They'll offer an SVT turbo V6 as a special edition.


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I am all for smaller turbo engines. But if Ford eliminates the V8 as an option i will start looking elsewhere. You just don't get rid of a Mustang's heritage like that.
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I am all for smaller turbo engines. But if Ford eliminates the V8 as an option i will start looking elsewhere. You just don't get rid of a Mustang's heritage like that.
Watch them. They almost did it once, it was going to be the probe. If they do then expect used v8 values to go up.
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Here is how I see the lineup looking: the base engine will be the ecoboost 4 the GT base engine will be a turbo v6 and the V8 will be available option for the GT.


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Considering their competitors have much larger engines. If you consider a 5.7 hemi in the rt challenger a competitor (seen some badass 5.7Ls) that's the closest engine in terms of cu. ins. If they do replace it then they should bring back like a more modern version of the terminator 4.6 or maybe a brand new SMALLER V8. They've done this before... Mustang ii was a laughing stock. I'll admit I like the king cobra of 78 given the car would need a lot of mods before I'd get it. Personally I see nothing wrong with the coyote. But then again I have no say in MAKING THE WRONG DECISION! There's a saying ford... You can fix something that isn't broken! An ecoboost v6 is cool and all but don't make it a competitor to the coyote better yet put a supercharger on the coyote. Shorten the gap between the gt and gt500 not a lot but just a little. Maybe a 500+ hp coyote as a standard gt? Considering rumor has it the new gt500 is gonna have more hp than the hellcat.


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The new 2016 EPA fuel economy averages are what is going to initiate the changes and GM and Chrysler will have to comply as well. There will still be a V8 mustang but the new turbocharged V6 will be the standard performance engine and the V8 will be reserved for special optioned cars. From what I have heard the new turbo v6 is going to be impressive! We will just have to wait and see maybe the falling gas prices will delay things.


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The current turbo V6 is impressive and has been out for a good 6 years now, plenty of time for the SHO guys to break them in and find out what works and what melts pistons. Again, for us enthusiasts, is usually going to be V8 or bust although the Cyclone really made a lot of ppl rethink V6 Mustangs myself included. If they keep the V8 option... well its all good, maybe it'll even be a hopped up V8 because they turbo 6 is going to put out similar numbers to the current Coyote and probably be faster honestly with more torque. IMO it will HAVE to be closer to 500rwhp to keep well out in front of the V6 and compete with the LT1. If the LT1 is everything it is rumored to be... I dunno. Call me a heretic but if the Alpha platform sheds weight, there is a 1LE option, and the LT1 is the same LT1 as is in the C7... yeah...
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-r...RUmQEAcqZXNyoA

Why keep around a V8 when you have a twin turbo V6 with 600hp?

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2017-fo...160005177.html

Fuel economy standards are going to require lightening AND displacement reductions. We are seeing them across the board.... even in the performance "high end" cars (or trucks).

2015 Raptor 6.2L vs 2017 Raptor ecoboost 3.5L V6 + 500 lbs lighter.

= down 2.7 liters in displacement and 500 lbs lighter

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The new Raptor is powered by a 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, coupled to a 10-speed automatic transmission. This marks the first use of the long-anticipated 10-speeder Ford and General Motors Company [NYSE:GM] have been developing for trucks. It may eventually find its way into the Mustang as well.

As for the V-6, Ford says it will produce more power than the outgoing Raptor's 6.2-liter V-8, which is rated at 411 horsepower and 434 pound-feet of torque. It will also have less weight to push around, thanks to the new F-150's aluminum body. Ford says it cuts 500 pounds over the previous Raptor.
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There will be more performance in the EcoBoost engines, but Ford will not totally do away with the V8. What will happen will depend on political issues. If the next few elections are won by ecology freaks with little understanding of engineering, we could wind up with electric drive bicycles. If the Feds realize the turbo engines can be tune to fool the tests, they may make them worthless. That is why all manufacturers will constantly be trying ways to make more efficient drive trains. In all practicality, hybrid engines will be the future, IMHO. Gas mileage is killed by stop and go traffic, so if they can run the gas engines only at peak efficiency, and use electric drives for worse case conditions, it would greatly improve mpg. On the Mustangs, they may just get by with engine stop systems when not moving.
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I think our reasoning to the stop/go problem is the smaller engine, less GPH when idling. The US doesn't give any ranking to stop start, two identical cars one with stop start, one without, will have the same EPA rating.

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No, full electric is the future. Tesla has already got the charge range up near the 300 mile mark for vehicles they are currently selling right now and have stations all up and down both coasts. Its only going to get better and cheaper from here on out.
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Why keep around a V8 when you have a twin turbo V6 with 600hp?

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2017-fo...160005177.html

Fuel economy standards are going to require lightening AND displacement reductions. We are seeing them across the board.... even in the performance "high end" cars (or trucks).

2015 Raptor 6.2L vs 2017 Raptor ecoboost 3.5L V6 + 500 lbs lighter.

= down 2.7 liters in displacement and 500 lbs lighter
Yes, between the GT and the Raptor it's clear that Ford is focusing on a turbo V6 for future high performance applications. What's not clear to me: is the new turbo 3.5 related to the current one, to the new 2.7, or all-new?
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The turbo 6 is already going in the Expy, the Navi and the F150 in 2015 with fake V8 sounds from the speakers and all for yuppies and dip****s. I could totally see the Mustang going this way shortly with a V8 option for the special editions. It'll be much faster too. The train is coming, you can either get on and enjoy the ride or get run the **** over.
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The turbo 6 is already going in the Expy, the Navi and the F150 in 2015 with fake V8 sounds from the speakers and all for yuppies and dip****s. I could totally see the Mustang going this way shortly with a V8 option for the special editions. It'll be much faster too. The train is coming, you can either get on and enjoy the ride or get run the **** over.

Can we at least choose between different fake engine sounds? lol this is such a sign of the times! Idiots everywhere nowadays so I guess the next aftermarket will be different motor sounds you can load to your car!


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I wonder if the new 2017 Ford GT, yes its coming with a 600 + hp 3.5 V6 Eco with no V8, will have V8 sounds lol. Don't think so. V8s are going the way of the dinosaur, even in their super/hyper car. I think we all better get used to the sound of a V6 being the dominant engine choice in fords performance cars.

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I wonder if the new 2017 Ford GT, yes its coming with a 3.5 V6 Eco with no V8, will have V8 sounds lol. Don't think so. V8s are going the way of the dinosaur. 600hp + from a 3.5!!! I think we all better just get used to the sound of a V6 being the dominant engine in fords performance cars.

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If they manage to get their v6 to sound like my dads Porsche then I'm all for it. Haven't heard any v8 sound better than that car. Then again it sounds like and evil classic muscle car.




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I wonder if the new 2017 Ford GT, yes its coming with a 600 + hp 3.5 V6 Eco with no V8, will have V8 sounds lol. Don't think so. V8s are going the way of the dinosaur, even in their super/hyper car. I think we all better get used to the sound of a V6 being the dominant engine choice in fords performance cars.

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I currently have enough V-8 powered vehicles to get me through for a long while....


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I wonder if the new 2017 Ford GT, yes its coming with a 600 + hp 3.5 V6 Eco with no V8, will have V8 sounds lol. Don't think so. V8s are going the way of the dinosaur, even in their super/hyper car. I think we all better get used to the sound of a V6 being the dominant engine choice in fords performance cars.

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This was a marketing stunt for Ford. They are trying to promote their Eco Boost line. What better way, than to put in a high performance model. The GT isn't a regular production car like a vette. They will offer a limited number and almost all will end up with collectors.
Why would they spend all the engineering costs developing the flat crank 5.2?
Ford wants to sell ecoboost F-150's and keep their status of most truck sales as well as push the turbo 4 mustangs and phase out the V6 option on it.


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They definitely could do a real small V8 to keep the "rumble". Even like a 3.4L would sound good. Don't believe me, listen to a 3rd gen SHO Taurus (yes a Taurus). They had Ford/Yamaha 3.4L V8s in them.
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I think you could make it work. But it would have to redline at 10k or better.


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This was a marketing stunt for Ford. They are trying to promote their Eco Boost line. What better way, than to put in a high performance model. The GT isn't a regular production car like a vette. They will offer a limited number and almost all will end up with collectors.
Why would they spend all the engineering costs developing the flat crank 5.2?
Ford wants to sell ecoboost F-150's and keep their status of most truck sales as well as push the turbo 4 mustangs and phase out the V6 option on it.


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I think you're right. I don't see the V8 going anywhere anytime soon.

I am also going to guess the majority of F150 buyers don't use the full capabilities of the truck everyday, so an Ecoboost engine makes perfect sense. One can also opt for the V8 in the truck if they want it.
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Nah, would just need to be turbo'd just like the 6 is. But that would be completely dumb for Ford to do from a manufacturing standpoint seeing as the 3.5L Eco will make a metric assload of power. I'd say if they left the 5.0 as an option then you'd only want it with the Manual trans option. For the rumored 8 or 10 speed automatics... the turbo is going to rule.
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I'm all for a sub 4.0L V8. That's like what McLaren put into the 12c, which works very well. The 458s 4.5L V8 Redlines at 9k so it very well is doable.


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I'm all for a sub 4.0L V8. That's like what McLaren put into the 12c, which works very well. The 458s 4.5L V8 Redlines at 9k so it very well is doable.


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Ehh at least 3L. I wouldn't go any smaller


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Well I hope you guys are right, I'd always like to see a V8 option, hell I remember in the late 80s early 90s ford offered quite a few V8 optioned cars,and now?! It seems fords direction is headed towards turbo this and turbo that with smaller displacement that produce boat loads of power. Whether you want to call it a "marketing stunt" or not, its clearly reality and to honesty say V8s have a bright future is really incorrect. The last 20 or so years is proof enough that the V8 is fading away.

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Motors these days burn so clean it isn't even the EPA anymore, its MPG now which is a good thing IMO to get us the hell off foreign oil. Gas prices here are below $2.50/gal now for regular which I hope is in part because of how many fuel efficient vehicles are on the road now.

To this end, Ford has the Ecoboost and is phasing the V6 out. Most Mustangs sold from this point on are going to be 4 bangers and the V8 will get to leverage the efficiency of the 4 banger to balance out the still good high 20 mpg for the gov't requirements.

I honestly see the hopped up 15+ Coyote sticking around for awhile in the GT. GT350 is obviously getting the flat plane and a new GT500 could get an upgraded Trinity or a 6.2L Raptor engine that is even more worked. Not sure about the Mach and what it would get. A factory Whipple'd Coyote with some special Mach stuffs would probably satisfy most.
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It's actually the opposite. Foreign oil is lowering prices to attempt to destroy the shale business in the US. Then it should head back up.

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The lower fuel prices have a lot to do with Russian sanctions that rely heavily on their fuel exports. It won't last forever though but its a nice break.

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Higher MPG's don't have much to do with the price of oil. As mentioned previously, OPEC is driving the price down to kill U.S. Production. They are hurting and know most companies lose money when oil is below $60-$70/ barrel.
As soon as most drilling here stops and companies go bust, the price will go back up. It might take a year, but OPEC will try to keep it less than $80 and never over $100.


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Pardon my ignorance, but using actual facts (some people just scream 8 cilinderz r bettr!!! ), why would one choose a 6 as an engine to build over an 8? I mean,my guess is having more cylinders means more friction (cylinders firing), so a 6 has less when operating.

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Higher MPG's don't have much to do with the price of oil. As mentioned previously, OPEC is driving the price down to kill U.S. Production. They are hurting and know most companies lose money when oil is below $60-$70/ barrel.
As soon as most drilling here stops and companies go bust, the price will go back up. It might take a year, but OPEC will try to keep it less than $80 and never over $100.
Yep. OPEC (Saudi Arabia specifically) wants to stop the Shale oil expansion. Shale extraction costs $90+-/barrel so nearly all new drilling will stop at current prices. They'll probably try to keep oil right around $90/barrel, just below the cost of Shale oil to prevent it from cranking up.

Speaking of Ecoboosts engines, etc.. I have the 3.5L ecoboost engine in my F-150 and its like a fart.... silent but deadly!! I just tuned it with a Diablo tuner, and it adds +50hp on 87 octane or +90hp on 93 octane.

Its weird, you barely notice the tune, b/c the engine & exhaust are so quiet.

Its like I hit the gas & all of the sudden I'm going 60mph, where before in that same amount of time I'd have probably been at like 40+mph.
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