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Old 04-09-2015, 10:17 AM   #1
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Steeda’s 2015 Mustang test - “No wheelhop,”

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I just wanted to pass this along, regarding our 2015 Steeda Mustang ... written & tested by Steve Turner of Mustang 360:

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However, what I overlooked is something I would never truly miss…

No wheelhop,” he said flatly.

That’s right, laying into the Steeda Mustang produced none of the ill-effects you might associate with a rear-drive car with an independent rear suspension. However, it’s one thing to tame the suspension, it’s another thing to have the car still ride nicely. As we rolled onto the streets on the outskirts of Valdosta, Georgia, I followed the same loop that Jamie took me on. The car was clearly tighter than a stock Mustang but it was completely livable and quiet. Only the burble of the exhaust and a bit of communication from the shifter would penetrate the cabin.


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Old 04-09-2015, 04:30 PM   #2
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The problem is the wheel hop is almost non-existent on the street. I can lay into on asphalt and just knock the tires off. The problem comes in when the car is actually trying to hook and not just frying the tires on an unprepped surface.

Launching on the track is a WHOLE different story.....

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This is all wheel hop right here. Even peddling it twice and getting back in it....nothing but wheel hop.



If you think your car doesn't have wheel hop, and this isn't directed at the Steeda folks, take your car to the track, on a prepped surface, where the car is trying to do more than just blow the tires off....then you'll know wheel hop.
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Well, I just ordered the subframe braces and vertical links, so we'll see if those help at all on the track. Last time out the car was on stock tires and had just the bushing supports in it and got the results above.

The car is now on 275/35/20 Nitto 555's, which I think is what is going to show the biggest impact, so I'm going to bring the stock wheels and tires to the track also and see what the difference is.

Although, I know what the real solution to the problem is going to be.....

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Had a few parts show up yesterday. Tossed 'em on this afternoon and as soon as this weather clears and the track is open, I'll take it out and put a thrashing on it and see how it goes....
















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Have you installed the Steeda bushings? And if so you still got the dreaded wheel hop?


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Yes, I already had the bushing supports in there. You can see two of them in there right by the where the brace is connected.

The datalog and the videos are both with the bushing support installed.

Until I pull the subframe down and change the rubber bushings out for the Ford Racing aluminum bushings, I think some of this stuff will "help" but it's not THE fix. This is more like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
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Yes, I already had the bushing supports in there. You can see two of them in there right by the where the brace is connected.

The datalog and the videos are both with the bushing support installed.

Until I pull the subframe down and change the rubber bushings out for the Ford Racing aluminum bushings, I think some of this stuff will "help" but it's not THE fix. This is more like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
Please excuse my ignorance, other than going back to a solid rear axle, what could be the fix? This is shocking to me.
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Almost all IRS car suffer from wheel hop. IRS handles and rides great, but if there are any compliant parts in it that deflect, compress, or otherwise allow movement that isn't controlled by the springs or dampened by the shocks, you get unwanted movement in the suspension (i.e. wheel hop).

The fix is to eliminate all the rubber bushings, either polyurethane, delrin, or getting rid of the mounting bushings all together and doing the solid aluminum bushings from Ford Racing to actually hard mount the differential to the subframe and the subframe to the car itself.

Eliminating undampened and uncontrolled suspension movement is the key. Unfortunately, the trade-off to that is going to be increased NVH. Rubber is the isolator between feeling everything on the road and transferring noise between the suspension to the car body. The more rigid this is, the more NVH that gets transferred.

The average driver never REALLY pushes the car or takes it to the track, which is where the wheel hop REALLY shows up. After putting the bushing supports in the car, I get very little wheel hop ON THE STREET as the car pretty much blows the tires off on a hard launch now. But, AT THE TRACK, on a prepped surface, where the car is actually trying to hook and the compliance of the suspension can't cope with the applied forces, THAT is where it really shows up.

It's kind of a pick your poison scenario. Do you want the comfy ride or do you want all out control?
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Eventually I'll pull the subframe and do these.....








....but, that will at the expense of the ride quality and I'm not sure I want to go that far yet, as this IS my daily and only goes to the track to test and when I just want to scratch off without towing one of the big HP vehicles down there.
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I think I sense a challenge for the tuner companies. Maybe a temporary accessory that could be installed quickly at the track, then removed for the ride home to tie down the rear end? Would that even be possible?
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I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but I think Steeda's components will go a long way in addressing the issue, along with good tires and not the stock 400+ treadwear tires that should be left for passenger cars.

The good thing with most of these Steeda components, with the exception of the bushing supports, is that they can be retained if you do the solid bushings to further stiffen the subframe and stock suspension. Obviously the bushing supports wouldn't be used with the solid bushings, but the subframe supports, toe-links, and vertical links can, and SHOULD, be retained.
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Certainly not going to get any real testing done today.....



....spring time in East Alabama.
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That's a great pic man. Car is looking sharp
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That's a great pic man. Car is looking sharp
Thank you, sir.

That thing is filthy right now. It's been raining almost all week and the only reason it's shining is because it's wet. lol

I guess it's a good thing it's raining, I have 2 tests to study for this week and if it wasn't raining I'd want to take this to the track or hit a few roads in the Talladega National Forest. Wouldn't get squat done, but it's always enjoyable.

The only thing I really have left, look-wise anyways, is tinting the windows. It's a MUST here in the summer. I don't go BLACK on my windows, but you almost have to get the solar tint to keep the heat down. It's already gotten hot enough in the car that grabbing the steering wheel was uncomfortable.
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Yes, the car looks great & we can't wait to see the real test!!

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Thank you, sir.

That thing is filthy right now. It's been raining almost all week and the only reason it's shining is because it's wet. lol

I guess it's a good thing it's raining, I have 2 tests to study for this week and if it wasn't raining I'd want to take this to the track or hit a few roads in the Talladega National Forest. Wouldn't get squat done, but it's always enjoyable.

The only thing I really have left, look-wise anyways, is tinting the windows. It's a MUST here in the summer. I don't go BLACK on my windows, but you almost have to get the solar tint to keep the heat down. It's already gotten hot enough in the car that grabbing the steering wheel was uncomfortable.
I am in Houston where it gets really hot also and have been putting up with really hot car interiors. How effective is the solar tint you mentioned and is that the actual name?
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Just gathering info. Would I get less wheel hop or no wheel hop at the track if I went with a 2014 instead of a 2015 each being stock and if there is wheel hop at the track on the 2014 is it less difficult to remedy on the 2014 than the 2015? And has anyone found out if the 2015 auto has more or less or the same wheel hop as the 2015 manual? I have not seen a comparison yet. Thanks in advance.
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I am in Houston where it gets really hot also and have been putting up with really hot car interiors. How effective is the solar tint you mentioned and is that the actual name?
Can't remember the brand name of the stuff, but it has a ceramic layer in that supossedly reflects heat much better than just standard tint.

I've had it put into almost every car I've had here since they've had it available and the difference is incredible. It doesn't have to be dark to be effective either. The name is is Solar-something or other....it's the stuff my local shop here uses.
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A 14 will have wheel hop too especially if you get one with track pack. It's probably more expensive to fix on the 14's than the 15's depending on how far you go with it. Honestly though...the biggest thing that cured my wheel hop at stock power levels were wider rear tires and billet lca's. On the street my wheel hop was non existent. An auto will have less wheel hop in general, mostly because of how smooth it shifts and the gear ratio autos come with. I didn't have wheel hop in my 13 auto on the street ever.


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Finally have some decent weather; gonna take it to the track tonight and see how it does.
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So far, so good. First pass, no wheel hop. Didn't leave on the 2-step but I'll see what it does from 3k here in a few.
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2nd pass, left on the 2-step at 3k, blew the tires off but ZERO wheel hop.
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2nd pass, left on the 2-step at 3k, blew the tires off but ZERO wheel hop.
Nothing a nice little set of 15x10's and a 26-28" slick won't fix

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Gonna make one more pass. I'm happy so far, not a bit of wheel hop smashing on it on the track.
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Nothing a nice little set of 15x10's and a 26-28" slick won't fix

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I think I'll be investing in some half shafts first. lol
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I think I'll be investing in some half shafts first. lol
Got to break the stockers first lol

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Dropped the tires down 2 more psi, got a decent launch on the 2-step, had a bit of spin, but no wheel hop. It was looking like a good pass.......until I missed 3rd. DOH.

Overall!.....Very Pleased.
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Here's the logs of the passes. Each pass it barked / spun 2nd gear a bit, and chirped 3rd, but was totally controllable; no wheel hop, no shake.

I was trying to put the GoPro looking down and back at the tires but I didn't have enough adapters to get it positioned right.

Spin I can work with. I don't have an issue with spin. All I was looking for tonight was either the car hooking or blowing the tires off cleanly on a prepped surface. The tires wouldn't handle a hit at 3K, but it broke cleanly and there was ZERO shake in the car.





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Again, here is what wheel HOP looks like vs wheel SPIN above...

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Thank you, SilverS550.

I am glad to hear that the Steeda products did their job & you are happy with the outcome!

Your feedback & support is greatly appreciated.

I will keep you updated as more parts are released for the 2015 ... if you want to add to your already impressive collection

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I'll certainly let you know TJ. I'll at least be doing the G-Trac and strut tower braces, just need to see if you guys do one that will clear a Whipple 2.9, which is next on my list.

But, these have made the car a lot more enjoyable at the track. If this didn't substantially help with the wheel hop I would have had a hard time bringing it back to the track with how hard it shook the car.
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I'll certainly let you know TJ. I'll at least be doing the G-Trac and strut tower braces, just need to see if you guys do one that will clear a Whipple 2.9, which is next on my list.

But, these have made the car a lot more enjoyable at the track. If this didn't substantially help with the wheel hop I would have had a hard time bringing it back to the track with how hard it shook the car.
I hope Ford is listening, and appreciating all your hard work. And Steeda, what can one say? You've been on top of this too! Good job to you both!

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Been on vacation the last week but I had a chance to hit the track last night. Wasn't planning on making any passes but it was dead and the cars that were making passes were hookin' really well so I decided to make a few. Unfortunately I didn't have the laptop with me to log the passes.

First pass I left soft. 2000 RPM and no 2-step. Car hooked and zero wheel spin or hop. Hooked well enough that it bogged a bit off the line.

Second pass. 3000 RPM on the 2-step, no launch control just RPM mode. Car dead hooked. No spin, no hop. Again, hooked well enough to bog the car a bit.

Third pass. 3200 on the 2-step, RPM mode. Again, hooked with no hop and just a bit of spin.....enough to just chirp the tires.

So, that's 6 passes with the Steeda bushing supports, sub frame braces and vertical links and the car is showing ZERO wheel hop. These last 3 were what I was really looking for as the car was hooking and showing no sign of hop at all.
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