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Old 10-21-2015, 11:36 AM   #1
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Prepare for the comparison tests with the new SS.....not good!

Car and Driver just posted the first road test of the new SS, and other than the abysmal (their words, see below) visibility, the new SS posted outstanding numbers.

.98 skidpad..............3.9 seconds to 60 mph...........1 second quicker than our GT's in the 1/4 mile.........here's the only good thing comparing the Camaro SS to the GT:

But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. That styling—with its narrow slits for side windows, fat C-pillar, and short rear glass—has, indeed, done nothing to improve the outward visibility in this new car. It is abysmal. We adjusted to it, partly by accelerating hard before performing lane changes just to clear some room. Adjust your mirrors carefully. The interior of the Ford Mustang feels ballroom-spacious by comparison.

Other than the visibility issue, we are going to get our rears kicked royally when they publish the inevitable comparison tests. Good thing the SS is ugly too (personal opinion!).
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Yeah, I saw this coming a while back. Chevy is finally the front runner again and will pwn Coyotes. Oh well, ford will come back again in a few years and be ahead of the camaro.


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Yeah, I saw this coming a while back. Chevy is finally the front runner again and will pwn Coyotes. Oh well, ford will come back again in a few years and be ahead of the camaro.
First of all, I really like the ride and handling and appearance of our 2015 GT. But if Ford is serious about the numbers game against the SS, I am not sure there is enough room in the current design of the chassis (it's HEAVY!) and the engine (originally designed for a LOT less HP than it is currently tweaked to) to catch or surpass this new SS.
And, Ford is not going to invest the $$'s it would take to catch the SS when the current chassis is only a year or two old.......now, with Ford's experience with turbos.....anyone thinking that they may have a dual turbo 5.0 running on a chassis dynomometer somewhere in their skunkworks? Now THAT would be a cheaper way to show the SS tailights than a complete redesign, right?
But Ford would also have to be careful not to embarass the GT350......so, we are probably stuck for the foreseeable future with the GT being where it is.
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Prepare for the comparison tests with the new SS.....not good!

I agree numbers are numbers and the camaros do perform. But last I remember the camaro was roughly 5k more than my mustang cost wise. With the price they charge for a camaro it better put down better numbers. And it's still a Chevy and I refuse to own a bow tie unless it's a vette.


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Isn't GM experiencing reliability issues specifically with their high end engines?

That's a question I never thought I would ask in the past btw.


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Isn't GM experiencing reliability issues specifically with their high end engines?

That's a question I never thought I would ask in the past btw.
I do know that a couple of the long term models for some magazines have blown their engines. I am still a member over on one of the Corvette forums (from a past life....) and it is talked about over there too.
It will be interesting to see if the same engine in the Cadillac "V" models and the SS have the same issues.
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I thought GM had determined that the lower end break of their SC ZO6 was cause by metal shaving left after they drilled the threads for the oil filter. They suggested changing the oil at the500 mile mark to hopefully eliminate rhe problem. 95% sure of what I had read.

Not sure how they are covering the ones that lost their bottom end... Assuming direct replacement was the proper option..
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The new Camaro is ugly and it may be slightly faster but it is still a Camaro.
I have been around Camaro and Corvette people and now I'm around Mustang and Ford people and will keep my Mustang forever.

I drove a 2014 and also a 2015 plus a 2016 Camaro and did not really like anything about any of them.
I did drive a 2014 Mustang GT and the 2015 Mustang GT and did like them a whole lot. The 2015 was really nice and if I did not "LOVE" my 2012 sooooo much, I would have one.

I probably would not keep a Camaro if it was given to me for free, I'd trade it in on a Mustang GT.

The last good Camaro was 1969.
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The last good Camaro was 1969.
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I miss my yellow with black stripes '69 Z28.....all 3/4 cam, 8 mpg of it. That little 302 made some glorious noises and would wind up like a small block is supposed to. I had the YELLOW houndstooth interior too....not so sure I miss THAT........
Overall, I know in my heart that my 2015 GT convertible would outperform that old Z28 in EVERY measure though.......by a significant margin too, I'll bet.
Probably just one drive of the '69 would more than cure me of missing it!
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Your right but I sure did love that 69 Z-28 I had, Red with black fictitious leather and Black stripes.
I do believe my 2012 Mustang will out handle it, But I sure would like to have my 69 Z back in my garage.
Those sure were the good old days though.
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Your right but I sure did love that 69 Z-28 I had, Red with black fictitious leather and Black stripes.
I do believe my 2012 Mustang will out handle it, But I sure would like to have my 69 Z back in my garage.
Those sure were the good old days though.
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Out perform? How about just embarass?

1969 Camaro Z28, 302 C.I.

0 to 60 mph -- 7.4 seconds. 1/4 mile -- 15.21 seconds

2012 Mustang V6:

0 to 60 mph -- 5.5 seconds. 1/4 mile -- 13.8 seconds.
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All I can say is it was a fun car at the time.
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Out perform? How about just embarass?

1969 Camaro Z28, 302 C.I.

0 to 60 mph -- 7.4 seconds. 1/4 mile -- 15.21 seconds

2012 Mustang V6:

0 to 60 mph -- 5.5 seconds. 1/4 mile -- 13.8 seconds.
Not that I don't like Mustangs and have a number of them...just purchased an 03 Terminator.
Not sure which Rag Mag you were reading to get the 15 second quarter and I can put my wife behind my 03 or 14 and she will do 15 or 16 sec 1/4's. My 68 Z would turn the 1/4 in low to mid 13's with street tires and 12.8's with slicks...and this was back in the early 70's..must have been a pretty anemic 69 Z or they were spinning the tires half the way down the track.
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Ford could make the VooDoo flat-crank version more of an option. Turbo'ed Coyote options could come to pass. That's what I wish anyway. Limit the Ecoboost platforms with the Mustangs.
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Your right but I sure did love that 69 Z-28 I had,
Check this one out. Not bad for numbers matching............

1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1Z4379N584988 for sale in Seattle Bellevue WA
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3.9? Damn. Isn't the stingray getting to 60 in 3.8?


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uh yes, but is the SS supposed to compete with the GT ? or does ford have other Mustang models for that ? The SS is way more expensive.

Agreed that the Mustang is sexier. And it is a net increase on National Gross Fun.

My manual GT does 12.9 @ 111 mph on 1/4 mile (with my reaction time at 0.2)
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Lately, it has always been GT vs SS
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Nah, I usually compare the GT to the RS.


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Lately, it has always been GT vs SS
True........but for price to price, it might be more fair to have the SS go up against the new Shelby 350, and when they do come out with the new Z28, have that one go up against the Shelby 350R...........I do expect the Mustang GT to out point the SS on visibility though.................not much else it sounds like....
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Well, of course the new Car and Driver has THE test.................Camaro 207 points, Mustang 205. Mustang 11 category wins, Camaro 12......................BUT the Camaro has an automatic trans, and the Mustang the manual. So, in all of the acceleration tests, the Camaro got to downshift significantly, while the Mustang is locked in 6th. This skewed the results a LOT when it comes to "acceleration in top gear!"
I call foul!
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