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Old 11-13-2015, 06:43 PM   #36
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Sounds like it was a lemon.


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Sounds like it was a lemon.


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No doubt...they would not address the engine tick and the warranty was ending so it had to go.


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Don't you just love dealerships. I'm still pissed I have to take my car to them to get the air bags swapped. Since they won't let us do it.


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Don't you just love dealerships. I'm still pissed I have to take my car to them to get the air bags swapped. Since they won't let us do it.


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I don't think I'm taking mine in for the recall I don't plan on deploying them.


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If anyone is interested, the pricing tool for the new camaro is live on the Chevy website. I priced a 1ss...zero options and it was 37,700 roughly. Adding the auto trans and magnetic ride would cost another $3k plus. So quite a bit more than the mustang. I paid $32,500 for mine (base). So another 5-8k.


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If anyone is interested, the pricing tool for the new camaro is live on the Chevy website. I priced a 1ss...zero options and it was 37,700 roughly. Adding the auto trans and magnetic ride would cost another $3k plus. So quite a bit more than the mustang. I paid $32,500 for mine (base). So another 5-8k.
That pricing difference should help the Mustang quite a bit.....but I'll bet Chevy introduces incentives/rebates almost right away on the Camaro to move some onto the street.
Even $5,000 is quite a bump, much less $8,000 more for a comparable car. GM has been a bit egotistical with all of their pricing lately, with new Cadillacs (CTS-V) being priced near $100,000 with a few options!!!!
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Maybe a better comparison would be against the GT350.
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Maybe a better comparison would be against the GT350.
Pricewise, perhaps. But for their place in the lineup, the GT 350 is going to have to go up against the Z28 if Chevy does that model for the new Camaro......and the last Z28 was mid $70,000..........so a huge advantage in price for the Mustang again.
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A friend of mine is the general manager of a Chevy dealership. He currently has two 2015 z28s on his lot and has each discounted $20k. He said he can't get rid of them. He even agrees that the true MSRP of the z28 should have been what he is selling them for now. He said he had trouble getting rid of his ZL1s. He had to discount them $15k.


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You guys crack me up.
The Ford vs Chevy thing has been going on long since a lot of you were born and will continue way after I've kicked the bucket.
My first car at 14 was a Chevy and my last Chevy was a 70-1/2 Z28. When I stated drag racing it was Chevy's, Chevy's, and more Chevy's...the main reason I switched to Fords was everyone had a Chevy....most of my drag racing friends told me I was beating a dead horse...it was expensive to race Fords as race parts were few and fare between and after a few failed attempts I got it right.
Ford has always made a Mustang and Chevy stopped making the Camaro for a lot of years and they are now catching Ford very quickly and performance wise off the show room floor may surpass them this next year.
As Rapinator said, you guys are going to have to step up your game to keep up...and not just HP but chassis/suspension wise...taking a showroom stock car and making it better....well......that's what hot rodding is all about.
As for me, I've got a bone stock 03 Mustang and it's more fun to drive than my 14 and in a month or so I'll have a new DD that is lighter than my 14 TrakPak, with more HP, two more doors and will hold it's own with a lot of mod'd Mustangs on twisty roads...and it will be right off the show room floor...this Ole 70+ year old body has seen better days and the ride in the new DD will be night-n-day better than my old TrakPak....even before I started mod'ing the suspension....
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Well, don't hold back. What's the new DD?


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Old 11-15-2015, 06:31 PM   #47
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The gt350 is so much faster and more fun to drive than any car out there except the top end vette. The new camaro feels fast and mean but it feels heavier than it is and its hard to be sure of yourself in corners. Great car though. Spend a little more and get a gt350.

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I'd say the 5th gen ACR would be a big contender as well. Being it beat the 918 at Leguna Seca.


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The gt350 isn't that dam fast. Maybe around a track but it's not "fast"


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The gt350 is so much faster and more fun to drive than any car out there except the top end vette. The new camaro feels fast and mean but it feels heavier than it is and its hard to be sure of yourself in corners. Great car though. Spend a little more and get a gt350.

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Well, don't hold back. What's the new DD?


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I say this and feel a little hypocritical as I have said a number of times I'd never spend a lot on a new car...well...I'm not getting any younger and not sure how much longer my feet will be standing above ground....so I pulled the plug and ordered this after driving one around PIR some weeks ago.
All I can say is WOW!, WHAT A CAR!...if this car is a sign of things to come with the Camaro using the ATS platform all of us Ford Mustang lovers are in for a world of hurt....and yes it is the first GM brand I've owned in some 38+ years.
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Is that the V Sport or the full "V"?
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Is that the V Sport or the full "V"?
It's about 500lbs lighter than a CTS and no, it's not a CTS-V or V Sport.
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The new Car and Driver has THE test on its cover -- GT vs SS.

It's the ATS-V

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Well, even the ATS-V sells for nearly $70,000 with some decent options. That's a lot of money for a small GM sedan. Beats the Mustang GT to 60 by 1/2 a second, so it's plenty quick.
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Well having drove all the major muscle cars 2015/2016 year models on a closed road coarse here in kentucky at a presser I can say yes the gt350 is that fast. Faster than anything but the vette Z overall. Stuff beats it straight line by a car or so but its effortless to drive. The hellcat chargers and challengers and ss and stingrays had no chance

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And ol rodder no, I havent gotten behind the wheel of one yet. I imagine it will be coming down the pipeline soon

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It's the ATS-V

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They looks best in white for sure.

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Well, even the ATS-V sells for nearly $70,000 with some decent options. That's a lot of money for a small GM sedan. Beats the Mustang GT to 60 by 1/2 a second, so it's plenty quick.
You get what you pay for and although I would have loved to buy a used one there are non-existant...so I'll throw myself off the deep end and be stuck a chassis and suspension that is far and above what I could have ever achieved in the 14 TrakPak Mustang...the Magnetic Ride Control which is the same as on the Corvette is just outstanding...and having 464HP isn't too shabby also...for a 4dr car that weighs less than my 14 Mustang by almost 200 lbs.
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Well having drove all the major muscle cars 2015/2016 year models on a closed road coarse here in kentucky at a presser I can say yes the gt350 is that fast. Faster than anything but the vette Z overall. Stuff beats it straight line by a car or so but its effortless to drive. The hellcat chargers and challengers and ss and stingrays had no chance

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That's good to hear about the GT 350 although I figured it was going to be bad ***! They weren't handing out any coupons for them down there where they?


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I've read three comparison tests of the SS -- vs -- the GT. Although the Camaro "won" each of them, each test also came to various conclusions which all said something to the effect of:

The Camaro:
"Is improved in every way."
"Handles really well, but rides very stiff"
"Is loud."
"Is hard to see out of."

The Mustang
"Purrs instead of roars."
"Rides better but rolls a bit more in the corners."
"Has a better interior."
"Has much better visibility."

And, most important to me:

"The Mustang is the one we'd chose every time to drive across country."

I guess it comes down to........If you want a "sports car", the Camaro is a good choice. But, it'll beat you up on broken pavement, and it's a challenge to see out of just to change lanes.
If you want a GREAT Grand Touring car (they DO call it a GT, after all), then the Mustang is still the best choice.
I can live with that.
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Stop winning GM is on top yet again. I have said it b4 all you "Bolton" coyotes are about to get your a$$ drug by GM again.

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GM is really superior? When was the last time they won at Le Mans? Oh yeah they didn't, Chevy lost every year it entered! Weird how Ford could make a car that could be Ferrari and Chevy never could. Ford four time world champion! 1966, 1967, 1968, and 1969. You know what engines the Ford GT 40 used? Mustang engines...


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GM is really superior? When was the last time they won at Le Mans? Oh yeah they didn't, Chevy lost every year it entered! Weird how Ford could make a car that could be Ferrari and Chevy never could. Ford four time world champion! 1966, 1967, 1968, and 1969. You know what engines the Ford GT 40 used? Mustang engines...


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And who gives a ๐Ÿ’ฉ about Le Mans ?

You know how many Chevys will beat your profile car? Just start counting everyone next time you go driving


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I will keep that in mind next time I get a chance to drive a car at Le Mans

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And who gives a ๐Ÿ’ฉ about Le Mans ?

You know how many Chevys will beat your profile car? Just start counting everyone next time you go driving


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You opened the door by saying GM is superior, I am using hard facts. That's cool, they can beat an 9 year old v6 convertible? I can change my picture to my GT mustang if you would like. I have facts to prove you wrong, you're just mad and using opinion.


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You opened the door by saying GM is superior, I am using hard facts. That's cool, they can beat an 9 year old v6 convertible? I can change my picture to my GT mustang if you would like. I have facts to prove you wrong, you're just mad and using opinion.


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Guess how many ๐Ÿ’ฉ's I give, About your "facts".

I mean I wake up everyday just waiting to go to Le Mans ๐Ÿ˜•
Not mad at all. I mess with this stuff on a daily basis man. Chevy has always been up when it comes to performance. It's cheap and simple


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Guess how many ๐Ÿ’ฉ's I give, About your "facts".

I mean I wake up everyday just waiting to go to Le Mans ๐Ÿ˜•
Not mad at all. I mess with this stuff on a daily basis man. Chevy has always been up when it comes to performance. It's cheap and simple


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Lol wrong again! It's funny how someone pointed out earlier in this discussion that the Mustang is actually cheaper than the Camaro! Also Chevy hasn't always been up for performance, Ford dominated racing in the 1960s. You can Google it, it's not hard to fine. I just wanted to prove you wrong.


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I believe performance wise pushrods are cheaper than modulars

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