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Old 01-30-2016, 12:58 PM   #1
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OK GT fans --- why NOT the new 500 HP EcoBoost in the GT for 2017?

I love the sound of my 5.0 as do you all.......but.........an easy switch (or addition) to the 500 HP Raptor engine in next year's GT would:

1. Increase highway mpg by at least 10% or more. As the EB's have an incredible well of torque so low in the rpm band (see #5 below), Ford could significantly lower the gear ratio of 5th and/or 6th gears and increase highway mpg into the 30's if they chose to. Imagine a 500 hp, sub 4.0 seconds to 60 mph, 195 mph, 32 (!!!) mpg car!
2. Decrease the weight at the front of the car and improve front to rear balance and overall handling.
3. Lower the 0 to 60 time by about .6 seconds (3.8 to 60, anyone?), and the 1/4 mile by .8 to 1.0 second.
4. Sound like crap.
5. Have 90% of the total torque on board before 2,000 rpm. I loved our EB in our last F 150 when you floored it from a stop without power braking it, it would start to haze the tires 1/2 way across the intersection. The turbos were spooled by then, and the kick in the......pants was fun every time. I can't imagine what the Raptor engine would be like in a vehicle almost 2,000 pounds lighter, and with 70 more HP than the F 150 EB!!!!
6. Maybe call the V6 EB the SVT and leave the 5.0 in the GT.

I still think that this should be an option in the lineup, even if they leave the 5.0 in there as well.
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Sounds great to me. I'll take a ecoboost 500 HP V6

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Sounds great to me. I'll take a ecoboost 500 HP V6
Thanks, Kona............if they are putting this engine in the Raptor, I am really thinking it is a reliable, factory and warranty backed 500 HP package. And, this engine is already in the paddock, ready to go. Ford simply HAS to be thinking about doing this, don't they?
Lighter, faster, better mpg....what's to lose?
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Thanks, Kona............if they are putting this engine in the Raptor, I am really thinking it is a reliable, factory and warranty backed 500 HP package. And, this engine is already in the paddock, ready to go. Ford simply HAS to be thinking about doing this, don't they?
Lighter, faster, better mpg....what's to lose?
Nothing to loose but kicking some Camaro SS and Challenger SRT butt. Lol

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Because all motor V8
As much as I LOVE the sound of the 5.0 --- even with the stock exhaust --- I would have to think long and hard about the 500 HP Mustang I have described here.
Keep both engines in the lineup and let the consumer decide.....hmmmmm....a 445 HP V8 with the torque peak at 4,700 rpm, or a 500 HP, dual turbo V6 with 100 more lb/ft of torque than the V8 all available at 1,900 rpm................hmmmmmmm.....still thinking?
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As much as I LOVE the sound of the 5.0 --- even with the stock exhaust --- I would have to think long and hard about the 500 HP Mustang I have described here.
Keep both engines in the lineup and let the consumer decide.....hmmmmm....a 445 HP V8 with the torque peak at 4,700 rpm, or a dual turbo V6 with 100 more lb/ft than the V8 all available at 1,900 rpm................hmmmmmmm.....still thinking?
Oh wow. Yummy. There will be a market for both. The V8 pure enthusiasts will mainly stay V8. The rest, won't care because it would be crazy awesome..

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Nothing to loose but kicking some Camaro SS and Challenger SRT butt. Lol
I would have to think that with the way the new SS is kicking the current GT's rear in every recent comparison test, that this would be a SUPER easy way for FOMOCO to stick it to the Camaro.
It isn't as though Ford would have to start from scratch with this engine --- as I've stated, all the development and engineering costs have already been paid for!!!
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Been reading your posts. I'll take one of those engines for my 14 thank you.
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Funny you mention the 3V. I was told that the 4.6 block is a better engine than the 5.0 block. Any truth to that? I can link the mustang forum I was being told this. Any truth to it?

Op, bring on that ecoboost V6.

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OK GT fans --- why NOT the new 500 HP EcoBoost in the GT for 2017?

Not sure. My GT will have bolt ons and be strictly N/A and my Roush is getting a new block. From that I won't be testing the limits of the stock block. The GT should be around 450ish crank hp. So it doesn't matter to me all that much.


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Been reading your posts. I'll take one of those engines for my 14 thank you.
It will be interesting to see how much the crate engine version of the Raptor engine is going to cost when it becomes available. It would make an awesome engine in a LOT of applications.
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No no no NO! If that happened, then we would not be able to have all the "V6 supercharge or not" threads!!! Discussions on SC V6 surprising GT owners. GT owners would be the V6 owners!?! It's like a version of The Twilight Zone!

Seriously, I think Ford should consider making it an option. I personally don't think the new V8's sound as great as old school muscle. So the next gen of mustang won't sound as iconic as those of old either, oh well.
However, if 500hp is it, with not much more to be gained aftermarket...that may be worth noting. General public probably won't care but enthusiasts would. That's where both an EB offering and V8 offering might make sense.
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No no no NO! If that happened, then we would not be able to have all the "V6 supercharge or not" threads!!! Discussions on SC V6 surprising GT owners. GT owners would be the V6 owners!?! It's like a version of The Twilight Zone!

Seriously, I think Ford should consider making it an option. I personally don't think the new V8's sound as great as old school muscle. So the next gen of mustang won't sound as iconic as those of old either, oh well.
However, if 500hp is it, with not much more to be gained aftermarket...that may be worth noting. General public probably won't care but enthusiasts would. That's where both an EB offering and V8 offering might make sense.
From funny! To well said.....
As far as "not much to be gained aftermarket"...............wrong! The 3.5 EB is gaining lots of HP and torque with a simple tune.......and NO other mods.
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I am willing to bet the new Raptor EB is an easy 600 HP with only a $450 investment in a tune!!! Bring it on!
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If they would offer a 500 hp EcoBoost, what about Ford eventually offering the 5.2 GT350 engine as an option in the GT? (Replacing the 5.0). Of course by then, if they keep the GT350 in production, I'm sure they would bump up the HP even more for it.
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From funny! To well said.....
As far as "not much to be gained aftermarket"...............wrong! The 3.5 EB is gaining lots of HP and torque with a simple tune.......and NO other mods.
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I am willing to bet the new Raptor EB is an easy 600 HP with only a $450 investment in a tune!!! Bring it on!
Maybe that where the 500 hp came from. The tune. Maybe there isn't much left after that?
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Maybe that where the 500 hp came from. The tune. Maybe there isn't much left after that?
To go four wheeling in a faux race truck, Ford had to design in some margin for the warranty. Those willing to forego that will find, I am sure, some ceiling in the factory tune. I am willing to bet on that!
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To go four wheeling in a faux race truck, Ford had to design in some margin for the warranty. Those willing to forego that will find, I am sure, some ceiling in the factory tune. I am willing to bet on that!
Sure, some....but I wonder how much?
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Sure, some....but I wonder how much?
Right, that's the question.
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Right, that's the question.
I have a 2014 Tremor EB that makes 365/420 stock, so 500 hp is quite a step up.
Plus the Ford GT is only at 600 hp and that's an all out performance car with a big price tag.
Don't know that there is much beyond that without some major hardware changes.
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The GT makes 600 + HP, so there has to be some safe ceiling:

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This Ford GT is the ultimate expression of form following function. Its teardrop-shape body is the result of extensive work in the wind tunnel. Its carbon-fiber body and its projected 600-plus horsepower 3.5L EcoBoost® V6 engine are the ultimate expressions of technological innovation.

I guess 500 should be "adequate" for the mere Mustang, though, right? Keep in mind though, that the 3.5 EB has all forged internals....it is strong and made for upgraded HP ratings.
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If you want to see what's being done with the 3.5EB look no further than Chip Gannasi and Roush Yates develpment programs. Also, it will be interesting to see the GT with the EB at the 24 hours of LeMans this year. I would think whatever reliability issues found will be taken care of before the production motor is put into the Mustang......
Although I'm no longer driving the 14 TrakPak my 3.6l Twin Turbo does put down 445lbft of torque at 3500 rpm..........and it sure puts a smile on my face when I drive it in dry weather.......I would predict Ford will offer this.........2018...IMHO
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While my eyes bug and my mouth drools over what Ford is doing with the 3.5 V6, I'd prefer to see them (Ford) keep the GT badge for the V8's, and push their V8 ratings to match what Dodge and GM are doing with theirs.
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I also like the idea of keeping the V8 and badge the EB somehow...SVT? Mach? CS? Termi?

What are the chances the EB would allow enough room for AWD hardware?
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I also like the idea of keeping the V8 and badge the EB somehow...SVT? Mach? CS? Termi?

What are the chances the EB would allow enough room for AWD hardware?
Exactly! An SVT, top of the line 500 HP V6 Mustang.....and I had not thought of four wheel drive! We would be pushing up against the 350 and the 350 R in pricing by then, but as long as we are talking about the future here, why not include all wheel drive in the discussion?
An engine lineup like this:
Base 3.7 V6
2.3 4 cylinder EB (and for heaven's sake, Ford, give this engine more than 5 HP more that the base V6?)
The traditional, current and still champion (!) 5.0
3.5 EcoBoost

And let the consumer decide and be the real winner here! The option pricing for the 3.5 is about $1,800 in the F-150 now, so even a 2 wheel drive 3.5 EB in the Mustang should not be prohibitively expensive.........If the 500 HP 3.5 and a 445 HP 5.0 were priced close together, I know which one would be in MY garage!
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I guess I am just old lol. Yes, sure, if I can choose between a 500hp Ecoboost V6 or a 435hp maybe I can see the Ecoboost, although I could easily get there with the GT. BUT... if the choice is a 500HP V8 or a 500 HP Ecoboost V6... well then Ill take the V8 all day every day... especially if I am going to Mod... and I WILL
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I guess I am just old lol. Yes, sure, if I can choose between a 500hp Ecoboost V6 or a 435hp maybe I can see the Ecoboost, although I could easily get there with the GT. BUT... if the choice is a 500HP V8 or a 500 HP Ecoboost V6... well then Ill take the V8 all day every day... especially if I am going to Mod... and I WILL
If you've ever driven an engine that has 90% of its torque available at 1,900 rpm......it is a totally different driving experience than driving a high revving V8.
I LOVE our 5.0, but turbo lag is nothing compared to the waiting for the 4,700 rpm torque peak of this engine. It really is kind of a weak sister below 3,000 rpm, before it even begins to come alive. Sure, 3,900 rpm to redline begins to be fun, and the sound simply CANNOT be beat.......but I do think that the 500 HP EB Mustang would be even more fun -- especially around town.
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After modifying, building, and racing cars and working on motors for over 50 years I'm just tired of working on my own car and just want to have a factory hotrod....and a lot people my age are realizing the same thing....I want to drive and have fun not not having to turn wrenches on my own car....I'll leave that great experience to you younger guys.
Us early baby boomers are enjoying what the car companies are coming out with because they have as much and more HP and are more reliable than our golden age of muscle cars in the 60's and early 70's. Although the V8 may always be here the car companies are spending some very serious money, time, and effort on much smaller non-V8 motors......and these will be the motors that will power the next generation of factory hotrods.
I take a look at the GM 2.0lT that makes 138hp per liter and the 3.6lTT that makes 129hp per liter or the 3.5lTT Ford V6 powering the GTE car of Gannasi making 170hp per liter........although not quite a production motor it could be.
Sure, you can go out and spend thousands of dollars to make 150hp per liter or more if a warranty means nothing to you...........it's never made much difference to me although I'm not the norm.........Although a lot of you would probably spit in my face I'd love to see a 600hp TTV6 mounted crosswise behind the driver in the next generation Mustang. For me the 64-1/2 through 1970/71 will always be the classic Mustang..and everything after that is a modern day interpretation of that era classic.................so bring on the 600hp V6TT!!!
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I'm with you Olerodder. What's truly amazing is what the car companies have, and can do with the new gen motors now. Remember when I first got my 275 horse 289 hypo in the 65 2+2. That was really something. Reliability was OK, warranty?? Now this V6 in our 14 has so much potential and fuel mileage and reliability. The stuff they can make now is amazing. And they just keep comin! Whats next? I find it exciting. Keeps the Old blood goin.
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in the early 70's I had a stage 3 dual quad cross ram Chrysler 426 factory built hot rod. It was rated at 425 hp. Today my 3.5L V6 EB F150 makes 365hp/420 tq and the new Raptor is 500 and GT is 600 on the same platform?
We've lived through a lot of changes haven't we boys....
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Today my 3.5L V6 EB F150 makes 365hp/420 tq and the new Raptor is 500 and GT is 600 on the same platform?
And all that is from only 213.583 cubic inches!!!! That means the Raptor engine is making 2.34 HP per cubic inch -- and it's a STREET engine! And 142 HP per liter!
Remember when 100 HP/Liter was a HUGE deal?
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