Funny statement in the new Car and Driver about Ponycars and V6 vs V8's - Mustang Evolution

Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 1979-2015 Mustang GT || Tech and Talk > 2015 Mustang GT



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them here!
Old 04-05-2016, 05:18 PM   #1
Registered Member

Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Spokane
Region: Washington
Posts: 1,595
Funny statement in the new Car and Driver about Ponycars and V6 vs V8's

Although the road test in this month's Car and Driver is about the new Camaro V6 (which by all accounts is a pretty decent combination), this paragraph made me smile and is sure to raise the ire of some here:

"Six cylinder engines are legitimately desirable in imports - BMW's, Jaguars, Porsches - yet in pony cars they've always been plagued by the Rodney Dangerfield syndrome. As the old Camaro/Challenger/Mustang rap goes, V8's are for those serious about performance, V6's are for secretarial pools and rental fleets."

Flame suit on.......remember folks, Don Sherman said it, I only posted it........
Guard 5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-05-2016, 05:34 PM   #2
Registered Member

Regular
 
Recon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Hopkinsville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 6,518
Back then it was for the most part true. That SOHC straight 6 out of those late 60's Pontiacs was a mean little dude, though. Sure there's others but that's the only one I can think of at the moment for the muscle car era.


Adventure till you drop.
__________________
Mustangalley.com
Mustang of the day,
July 12, 2015
Recon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2016, 05:42 PM   #3
Registered Member

Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Spokane
Region: Washington
Posts: 1,595
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recon View Post
Back then it was for the most part true. That SOHC straight 6 out of those late 60's Pontiacs was a mean little dude, though. Sure there's others but that's the only one I can think of at the moment for the muscle car era.
My parents bought a brand new 1967 Mustang coupe for my brother just before he left for the Air Force. Lime Gold, 200 cubic inch 6 cylinder with a three speed manual.
That Mustang cost $2,700 out the door, and I inherited it when my brother left. I drove that straight six for three years in High School -- fun car!
I still think of the OHC 6 in the LeMans as the precursor of the GTO. They put that in the Firebird too, didn't they?
Guard 5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-05-2016, 05:47 PM   #4
Registered Member

Regular
 
Recon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Hopkinsville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 6,518
Funny statement in the new Car and Driver about Ponycars and V6 vs V8's

Correct. It's also the one I was talking about as well. A customer of mine had a juiced up version (69 Firebird Sprint) of it back in the day. Wheels spin in all 4 gears. No way near stock.


Adventure till you drop.
__________________
Mustangalley.com
Mustang of the day,
July 12, 2015
Recon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2016, 06:41 PM   #5
Registered Member
Regular
 
oxfordwhite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Hawkins Bar
Region: California
Posts: 572
My Dad built a dragster for Roy Dunn of Humboldt county fame, that had a 235 Chevy in it. Thing was an absolute terror. Set many a record. Later the same car and frame got a 265 then a 283 before the NHRA said you could no longer use home made frames. That was in the days of front engine & smokem till the end.
oxfordwhite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 06:57 AM   #6
Registered Member
Regular
 
TigerStang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Westerly
Region: Rhode Island
Posts: 141
315hp and 31mpg i dunno how anyone could hate on the v6 mustangs of today... but what the europeans are doing is providing a turbo 6 cylinder (imo the straight 6 is the better set up ; BMW) and ford went and put the 4 banger back in with a turbo *bang head on wall*

the new ecoboost is something a lot of people like, but it doesn't fit right in a mustang... i would rather see them dig up the old 300 straight six that came in these cars before the 289 was even available and then twin turbo THAT and tell me you don't have a sick 6 cyl mustang then!
TigerStang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 07:26 AM   #7
Staff

Regular
Staff
 
Strange Mud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Small Town
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 5,020
Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerStang View Post
i dunno how anyone could hate on the v6 mustangs of today...
because they ain't V8's.......


Hi John
__________________
2012 V6 with suspension, shifting, stopping and sound mods.
Strange Mud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 07:47 AM   #8
Registered Member
Regular
 
TigerStang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Westerly
Region: Rhode Island
Posts: 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Mud View Post
because they ain't V8's.......


Hi John


hey mud,

you're the man, cant wait til it warms up and i get to see you!
TigerStang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 11:53 AM   #9
Registered Member
Regular
 
ch0wd0g's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Midlothian
Region: Texas
Posts: 140
I agree with Strange Mud. Gimme then V8 everyday.
__________________
1998 GT that rebuilt from salvage.
2015 GT 50th Anniversary Edition.
ch0wd0g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 12:12 PM   #10
Registered Member

Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Spokane
Region: Washington
Posts: 1,595
Quote:
Originally Posted by ch0wd0g View Post
I agree with Strange Mud. Gimme then V8 everyday.
I agree -- especially for the convertible. I always put the top down before I start it up in the garage just to listen to the V8 light off.........then of course, there are the tunnels in second gear, and a RIIIIIIIP to higher rpm's! Goosebumps every time!
Guard 5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 12:37 PM   #11
Registered Member
Regular
 
24kmach's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Tacoma
Region: Washington
Posts: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guard 5.0 View Post
Although the road test in this month's Car and Driver is about the new Camaro V6 (which by all accounts is a pretty decent combination), this paragraph made me smile and is sure to raise the ire of some here:

"Six cylinder engines are legitimately desirable in imports - BMW's, Jaguars, Porsches - yet in pony cars they've always been plagued by the Rodney Dangerfield syndrome. As the old Camaro/Challenger/Mustang rap goes, V8's are for those serious about performance, V6's are for secretarial pools and rental fleets."

Flame suit on.......remember folks, Don Sherman said it, I only posted it........
I read that also in Car and Driver. We traded in our 2013 MCA Sp. ED. eight days ago for a 2016 GT. Note the avatar picture. I really missed the V-8 sound and as much as I liked the 305 HP six in the MCA [ same HP as my 2004 Mach 1] I needed that sound again. The 16 is light years ahead of the last mustang and I'm soooooo happy now.
24kmach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 12:44 PM   #12
Staff

Regular
Staff
 
Strange Mud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Small Town
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 5,020
it is interesting how Ford/Chevy value the Turbo/V6 engine choices. At the Home Show this weekend they had the new Camaro.....the side windows are something I'm surprised to see on something besides a concept car. I'm gonna guess only 14-15" high.
__________________
2012 V6 with suspension, shifting, stopping and sound mods.
Strange Mud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 01:13 PM   #13
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Newington
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerStang View Post
315hp and 31mpg i dunno how anyone could hate on the v6 mustangs of today... but what the europeans are doing is providing a turbo 6 cylinder (imo the straight 6 is the better set up ; BMW) and ford went and put the 4 banger back in with a turbo *bang head on wall*

the new ecoboost is something a lot of people like, but it doesn't fit right in a mustang... i would rather see them dig up the old 300 straight six that came in these cars before the 289 was even available and then twin turbo THAT and tell me you don't have a sick 6 cyl mustang then!
300 straight 6 was never in the Mustang. A 200 and a 250 6 were used.
2013 RedMustang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 05:00 PM   #14
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: san antonio
Region: Texas
Posts: 133
Get the V8

Quote:
Originally Posted by ch0wd0g View Post
I agree with Strange Mud. Gimme then V8 everyday.
I have never been able to grasp the concept of a sports car/muscle car with anything but a V8. It just doesn't seem right. I'm speaking mostly of American cars here.
reflections is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 05:06 PM   #15
Registered Member
Regular
 
Mugeismo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Detroit
Region: Michigan
Posts: 232
Rodney is the nickname for my V6. I named it that because of the "no respect" aspect V6 Mustangs get. Great quote.
__________________
2016 Nissan Rogue - daily driver
1995 Ford Mustang GTS - cruise project
Mugeismo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 05:12 PM   #16
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Newington
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 191
If you have the Performance Package, most can't tell what engine you really have, unless you are a Mustang Owner.
2013 RedMustang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 08:05 PM   #17
Registered Member
Regular
 
TigerStang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Westerly
Region: Rhode Island
Posts: 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2013 RedMustang View Post
300 straight 6 was never in the Mustang. A 200 and a 250 6 were used.
oh my bad lol i still mean the 300 straight six used in the 80s model F150s and i'm sure many other vehicles ford made as well. thing would take outrageous amounts of abuse, i can't say i know for sure the 200 and 250cid would as well.
TigerStang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 08:20 PM   #18
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Newington
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerStang View Post
oh my bad lol i still mean the 300 straight six used in the 80s model F150s and i'm sure many other vehicles ford made as well. thing would take outrageous amounts of abuse, i can't say i know for sure the 200 and 250cid would as well.
F series and Ford Vans is where it was used. It used also in the full size Bronco.
2013 RedMustang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 08:28 PM   #19
Registered Member

Regular
 
Recon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Hopkinsville
Region: Kentucky
Posts: 6,518
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guard 5.0 View Post
My parents bought a brand new 1967 Mustang coupe for my brother just before he left for the Air Force. Lime Gold, 200 cubic inch 6 cylinder with a three speed manual.

That Mustang cost $2,700 out the door, and I inherited it when my brother left. I drove that straight six for three years in High School -- fun car!

I still think of the OHC 6 in the LeMans as the precursor of the GTO. They put that in the Firebird too, didn't they?
Remembered another one. Before the Muscle car era they had those Twin H power Hudson Hornets. Some wicked 6 bangers back in the 50s.


Adventure till you drop.
__________________
Mustangalley.com
Mustang of the day,
July 12, 2015
Recon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2016, 10:51 PM   #20
Registered Member

Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Spokane
Region: Washington
Posts: 1,595
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recon View Post
Remembered another one. Before the Muscle car era they had those Twin H power Hudson Hornets. Some wicked 6 bangers back in the 50s.


Adventure till you drop.

It is still hard for me to believe that they made race cars (and successful ones at that) out of those bulbous creations....but you are right -- those old Hudson sixes beat all comers.
Guard 5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 08:43 AM   #21
Staff

Regular
Staff
 
Strange Mud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Small Town
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 5,020
Rodney is a great name for it...wish I had thought that one up.
__________________
2012 V6 with suspension, shifting, stopping and sound mods.
Strange Mud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 09:28 AM   #22
Registered Member
Regular
 
oxfordwhite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Hawkins Bar
Region: California
Posts: 572
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recon View Post
Remembered another one. Before the Muscle car era they had those Twin H power Hudson Hornets. Some wicked 6 bangers back in the 50s.


Adventure till you drop.
Hey Recon, got any pictures of Hudson's to post on Cars Cars Cars thread?
oxfordwhite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 09:44 AM   #23
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by ch0wd0g View Post
I agree with Strange Mud. Gimme then V8 everyday.
I agree too. V8 or nothing. Real men buy the V8, what all mustangs should have.

Just a near stock 3.7
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 12:19 PM   #24
Registered Member
Regular
 
1 Alibi 2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Hackettstown
Region: New Jersey
Posts: 718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recon View Post
Remembered another one. Before the Muscle car era they had those Twin H power Hudson Hornets. Some wicked 6 bangers back in the 50s.


Adventure till you drop.
.


.
__________________

" Chance favors the prepared mind "
.
* SOLD * 2011 776rwhp.......documented " 1 of 2 "
2014 - detuned to 780rwhp
2017 F150 Lariat Scab, 5.0
1 Alibi 2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 12:25 PM   #25
Staff

Regular
Staff
 
Strange Mud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Small Town
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 5,020
oh my.....sweet ride
__________________
2012 V6 with suspension, shifting, stopping and sound mods.
Strange Mud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 12:26 PM   #26
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
That's the Hornet. Were talking mustangs here. Mustangs should be V8's. Real man muscle car.

Just a near stock 3.7
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 12:46 PM   #27
Registered Member
Regular
 
1 Alibi 2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Hackettstown
Region: New Jersey
Posts: 718
" As the old Camaro/Challenger/Mustang rap goes, V8's are for those serious about performance, V6's are for secretarial pools and rental fleets."
.
I have a 6 in my DD, 3.0L five speed, maybe 150hp.
I used to drive 106 miles a day, to & from work, so this is what I needed.

.
__________________

" Chance favors the prepared mind "
.
* SOLD * 2011 776rwhp.......documented " 1 of 2 "
2014 - detuned to 780rwhp
2017 F150 Lariat Scab, 5.0
1 Alibi 2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 01:05 PM   #28
Registered Member
Regular
 
JokerS197's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 93
Mostly because the V6 is economical and affordable. I own a 4.0 and a 5.0. The V6 has general been the back bone for mustang sales. If ford only offered V8, mustang sales would probably drop down to a near similar sales rate of corvette. Not everyone wants all that horsepower, most V8 owns won't put the engine to the full test. Just saying!

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Mustang Evolution mobile app
JokerS197 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 01:17 PM   #29
Registered Member
Regular
 
parkerbickel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: La Junta
Region: Colorado
Posts: 274
Mainly the reason I got a V6 was the price tag. I would have loved a V8 but I got my V6 with 35,000 miles for $13,000. The closest V8 with that many miles near me were all $25,000+, having just graduated college there was no way I was affording the payments on those. Maybe my next one will be a V8 but for now my V6 has the most power out of any of my friends cars and enough power for me so I'm good.
parkerbickel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 01:23 PM   #30
Registered Member
Regular
 
JokerS197's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 93
That's also a valid point! In college I bought a V6 Mustang. Because that was the only car I could afford on my small paycheck. After college I got commissioned in the military comma , so I could forward buying a 2016 Mustang GT premium. Not many people at my age of 24 right out of college can say they own 3 mustangs and still pay back college bills.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Mustang Evolution mobile app
JokerS197 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 01:32 PM   #31
Registered Member
Regular
 
parkerbickel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: La Junta
Region: Colorado
Posts: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by JokerS197 View Post
That's also a valid point! In college I bought a V6 Mustang. Because that was the only car I could afford on my small paycheck. After college I got commissioned in the military comma , so I could forward buying a 2016 Mustang GT premium. Not many people at my age of 24 right out of college can say they own 3 mustangs and still pay back college bills.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Mustang Evolution mobile app
Exactly, I could have bought 2 of my cars for the price of one V8. I'm sure in 5 years when my car is 100% paid off I will go buy a V8 has I should have more income along with my student loans should be paid off.
parkerbickel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 01:36 PM   #32
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Newington
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 191
I bought a 2013 V/6 because of how well it handled with the Performance Package, paid in DEC 2015 with 18k, $16,000.00, also had tech package. With a few mods you can get 350 HP, and that is all one needs. To hard to get back your license once you loose it.
2013 RedMustang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 01:41 PM   #33
Registered Member

Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Spokane
Region: Washington
Posts: 1,595
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2013 RedMustang View Post
I bought a 2013 V/6 because of how well it handled with the Performance Package, paid in DEC 2015 with 18k, $16,000.00, also had tech package. With a few mods you can get 350 HP, and that is all one needs. To hard to get back your license once you loose it.
You made great choices -- and you are exactly the kind of buyer that Ford is ignoring by making all of the options you mention unavailable in the new V6 'Stang.
Ford must be trying to push the 4 cylinder EcoBoost to folks who now want a car as you are describing.
Guard 5.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2016, 01:51 PM   #34
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Newington
Region: Connecticut
Posts: 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guard 5.0 View Post
You made great choices -- and you are exactly the kind of buyer that Ford is ignoring by making all of the options you mention unavailable in the new V6 'Stang.
Ford must be trying to push the 4 cylinder EcoBoost to folks who now want a car as you are describing.
I have also a 1986 Merkur XR4TI with the 2.3 Turbo, so I didn't need another one. Besides the 4 cylinder really doesn't make the sounds of a 8 or even a 6 with a good exhaust system.
2013 RedMustang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2016, 06:15 AM   #35
Registered Member
Regular
 
TigerStang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Westerly
Region: Rhode Island
Posts: 141
i would buy a v6 S550 just for the sake of having a commuter car. one i cherish and don't want an ounce of salt on it, the other i would just run it for fuel economy and style. and the price! oh the price! why the F would you go buy a civic when you can get a v6 mustang for the same price??!!
TigerStang is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 1979-2015 Mustang GT || Tech and Talk > 2015 Mustang GT

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The new Car and Driver has THE test on its cover -- GT vs SS. Guard 5.0 2015 Mustang GT 112 11-23-2015 06:17 PM
New daily driver, need help picking a car Yellow50 General Car Discussion 19 05-06-2012 11:50 PM
What is the best used car for a new driver? brewer General Mustang Discussion 4 03-25-2010 07:56 PM
A new driver and a 2007 mustang? lucan General Mustang Discussion 3 08-22-2009 09:16 AM

» Like Us On Facebook



03:48 PM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0

MustangEvolution.com is in no way associated with or endorsed by Ford Motor Company.