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Old 09-05-2016, 09:17 AM   #1
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What we all feared --- GT - vs - Focus RS drag race.

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No fear here. The Focus is half the car a Mustang is. The Brit in the Mustang could learn to drive and put several car lengths between the two in a real drag race.

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No fear here. The Focus is half the car a Mustang is. The Brit in the Mustang could learn to drive and put several car lengths between the two in a real drag race.
Hmmm....maybe.....but turning traction control off makes the Mustang harder to launch, and the advantage of 4 wheel drive is obvious as well in the first half of the race.
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All wheel drive does give an advantage. You need the torque to use the advantage though.

Again, if the Mustang's driver had a better reaction time, and knew how to launch without blowing the tires off the Focus would have been many cars behind.

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All wheel drive does give an advantage. You need the torque to use the advantage though.

Again, if the Mustang's driver had a better reaction time, and knew how to launch without blowing the tires off the Focus would have been many cars behind.
Again.....I respectfully disagree. The advantages of four wheel drive launch on ANY high performance car are HUGE in the first 100 feet of a drag race. I'll give you that the extra drag of the extra differential etc. might slow the same car a bit at the top end -- but any 4 wheel drive car against the same car with 2 wheel drive (stock against stock) is going to be able to launch a LOT harder.
It would take drag slicks, a high rpm torque converter and hardened half shafts on a GT to even come close to the RS in the first 100 feet or more.
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I think it is basically going to come down to this:

Stop light Grand Prix?.....Focus RS all day long. Launch control, 4 wheel drive, sticky tires and smart differentials all the way around make it nearly impossible to beat from a standstill.

1/4 mile or roll on from 40 mph?......Mustang GT every time.

It's hard to beat 4 wheel drive launches....and even harder to beat 435 HP and 400 lb/ft of torque once rolling.
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Completely expected that outcome .. especially the power to weight ratio and boost with all wheel drive. Those are some cool little cars. I had a 93 talon with only 3 " turbo back exhaust with the boost controller set at 22 psi. Back then if you met me on a cooler day I can run with most cars out there and beat a lot of them. Light weight & boost = fast
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Honestly I'm happy to see the focus do so well. It helps justify the $50k price tag a little. However I see the mustang as an easier base to start building off of than the focus as it is already pushing to be that good. Buy a $35k mustang, spend 15k on upgrades and you might have an entirely different battle.


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I wouldn't care if the Focus won, you won't find me in one.
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I wouldn't care if the Focus won, you won't find me in one.
Nope, me either. I thought the sound of the Focus engine up against the rev limiter was just too funny..........then I saw it launch.....
I am really glad that the GT caught it by the 1/4 mile mark though!!
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I'd like to see a race after both cars have been tuned by the same tuner. No bolt ons.
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I want to know why we didn't get those tail lights as optional!
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I want to know why we didn't get those tail lights as optional!
Because our DOT thinks we need red reflectors.

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I had an 02 focus svt. It was a fairly fun car, but disappointing after my 99 eclipse gsx. I also more recently had an 05 SRT4. Admittedly all pretty quick cars, but lack of bottom end, turbo lag and torque steer (except the eclipse) soured me on turbocharged 4 banger. The new focus with over 300hp and AWD, now that sounds like a fun little car. I wonder how they do when not in boost. That was my biggest gripe, especially the neon.

I'll have to hop on YouTube and see some head to heads with the focus and the ecoboost. Though the outcome seems pretty easy to figure out.

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I had an 02 focus svt. It was a fairly fun car, but disappointing after my 99 eclipse gsx. I also more recently had an 05 SRT4. Admittedly all pretty quick cars, but lack of bottom end, turbo lag and torque steer (except the eclipse) soured me on turbocharged 4 banger. The new focus with over 300hp and AWD, now that sounds like a fun little car. I wonder how they do when not in boost. That was my biggest gripe, especially the neon.

I'll have to hop on YouTube and see some head to heads with the focus and the ecoboost. Though the outcome seems pretty easy to figure out.

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I had the same complaint with the talon .. all that boost and FWD was messy from a standstill. I also became tired of zero low end torque. Although I did have a mazdaspeed6 which is AWD turbo ( 275 hp ) and it would launch but I still missed the torque. Any more turbo cars in my future would have to be 6 Cyl and above. No more 4 ...
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if $50K is the price of a focus it would be an easy call, if the price is close it would be difficult.

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if $50K is the price of a focus it would be an easy call, if the price is close it would be difficult.

Apples and Oranges (both are tasty)
I am sure that the dreaded "added dealer profit" or "market adjustment" at the base of the added sticker will push some RS's way over MSRP........but there is no way that $50,000 is the MSRP. The RS prices will be comparable to the STI or turbo Golf -- low $40's.
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13.3 1/4 mile?! The Brits don't know how to drag race lol.

I love the new RS, but these are entirely different types of vehicles. IMO, there really isn't a reason to compare them, unless it's something you personally wanted.
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Focus RS isn't a drag car. Its supposed to be a track / drifting car.

And the 15+ Mustangs are supposed to be more versatile... drag or track (road course).

I'd like to see them both on a road course.
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Starting msrp according to the ford website is $35,900.


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Focus RS isn't a drag car. Its supposed to be a track / drifting car.

And the 15+ Mustangs are supposed to be more versatile... drag or track (road course).

I'd like to see them both on a road course.


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I thought msrp was in the $40 range but believe what Gaurd said about mark up from dealers. at an even price point for what I want out of a toy (my v6 is just that) I'd prob get the Stang.

I did have a rental Focus (yeah the rental version I know is way different) and was un-impressed. I also had the Hundai version (elantra?) for a rental both for the same use and the Hundai was a lot nicer to drive and got better mpg.

If someone wants to trade either a V8 Mustang or a Hot Hatchback for my 2012 base model V6 let me know. I do think the Stang will last longer if you get on it often...stressed 4 cylinders compared to V8's have to work harder to get up and go.
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The base on the RS is $38k, but I'm not sure what options there are. It's pretty loaded as far as performance goes, so it must be other 'stuff'. There was a younger guy that had a new white RS at an all Ford car show here in Indy at the end of July. He said there wasn't any markup on his, but he did pay the sticker price. It's a pretty sweet ride for a fun daily driver if you don't need great MPG's. I'd have to learn how to drive a car like that to get its full potential out of it lol.


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I'd have to learn how to drive a car like that to get its full potential out of it lol.
From the video, it sounds like you press a few buttons, mash the throttle, and then sidestep the clutch. As it has over-rev protection, you can probably keep the throttle mashed on the up shifts as well.
I expect that with the smart differentials, torque steer is a non issue too, so driving it in a straight line should be pretty much a no-brainer...........now, that flatulent sound of the RS EcoBoost is another matter entirely.
Does the EcoBoost Mustang sound that bad?
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They're selling for MSRP. There are 2 fairly close to me for sale. I may have to drive by to see on in person. Actually, if I was to get a Focus RS, I'd want it to be automatic so the wife could use it as a little grocery getter.
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That focus is a mean little dude. Hopefully the S650 will be what the S550 should've been.


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That focus is a mean little dude. Hopefully the S650 will be what the S550 should've been.


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Never said I didn't like it. Said S550 should've been better than it is.


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Never said I didn't like it. Said S550 should've been better than it is.
Interesting.... it was aimed at bringing up the Mustang's handling capabilities.
So what, it didn't improved drag racing as that wasn't the aim.

But it did meet or beat the Boss 302, which was its target goal to improve the base GT's performance to that of the last generation's track car. The GT basically got 4 piston Brembos with out the name, and the PP got the GT500 big brake kit.

I for one am actually impressed with it.

Could it be better ? Absolutely.

But its did take a revolutionary (IRS) step this generation. There was a lot going on in tuning suspension geometry and all of the validations that go along with a completely new IRS system. And they did do a lot evolutionary changes to the inside, ergo, default back up cameras, etc.

The next step will be performance... revised engines & new 10-speed transmission.
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I personally love the focus platform. My little brother has a 14 Se (leather and all that but no turbo). It is fantastic fun to drive. It handles so well for such an affordable car. I would love to drive the RS I can't image the same platform with 300+ horsepower. The dealer next to me is selling a grey RS for $49k... Maybe it's a Seattle thing.

On the other hand I love my S550. The feel alone of sitting in it with the hood stretching out is much more sporty than the feel I get from the focus. Ultimately one of the reasons I spent double the money for a mustang gt rather than a focus st. Plus the mustang is a platform that really allows you to build whatever you want due to the huge aftermarket for it.


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Would be interesting to see an auto GT vs the Focus


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They're selling for MSRP. There are 2 fairly close to me for sale. I may have to drive by to see on in person. Actually, if I was to get a Focus RS, I'd want it to be automatic so the wife could use it as a little grocery getter.
You would be out of luck trying to get an A6 RS.........manual only -- for now at least. I think it's kind of cool that Ford is offering a car with only the manual available. That's true to the spirit of the car, and in this day and age of disappearing manual transmissions, even better.
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Focus RS isn't a drag car. Its supposed to be a track / drifting car.
Here is an example of a Focus RS drifting...
2016 Focus RS - Drift Mode Epic Fail: http://youtu.be/fOelONV_unQ

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You would be out of luck trying to get an A6 RS.........manual only -- for now at least. I think it's kind of cool that Ford is offering a car with only the manual available. That's true to the spirit of the car, and in this day and age of disappearing manual transmissions, even better.
Yeah I know it only comes in manual. I was just saying I'd WANT it in automatic.

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Here is an example of a Focus RS drifting...
2016 Focus RS - Drift Mode Epic Fail: http://youtu.be/fOelONV_unQ
Crappy drivers that don't know how to drift should leave the car with all safety features on!

There's such a big difference at the edge (like on a track or trying to drift) with traction control type features on & off. Especially when you're used to having them on, then you turn them off..... BOOM you drift right in to a 180 off the road!
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