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Old 06-07-2017, 12:47 AM   #1
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Currently looking into buying a new mustang. At this time I own a 2003 GT that I've had for about 4 years now. I think it's time for the upgrade. Mainly been looking at new 2017 automatic 5.0s. Also really like the 13 and 14s but would most likely prefer a new one. Just don't know if I should wait for the 2018 considering they will be improving a lot of things such as the auto transmission. 2017s are going for good prices right now. Don't know what to do


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If your in it for the price, then 16s are a better deal than the 17s with the same tech.

However like you said the 18s are a real refresh car, 10speed dual clutch auto, port and direct injected 5.0 with more power and torque(possible E85 out if the box too), new colors, magride shocks etc., and that new all digital dash

A used 17 will have a good start price once the 18s are out too.

My opinion would be hold out a little longer see what the 18s are before pulling the trigger on a 16/17 MY then make an informed buy when you can.
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I think June 1st-ish was the last time you could order a 17.
I personally don't like the 18 front end, everything below the grill.

Also, I never buy a car that has had a major refresh until at least 6
months to a year after it has been out.

The biggest thing to me on the 18, is why is it not going to be
heavier than the 17 (which was already porky, to me)?
Dual FI has got to add a bit of weight. The 10 speed
is not much heavier, but it is a little bit.
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Get the 18. The improvements over the 17 should be a good enough reason to wait for the 18.


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If you like the 13/14 cars why not get on some of the bigger forums and look for garage queens? SVTP always has a few real nice ones listed as well as stupid low mileage earlier GT500s.


But... if you can't decide then just wait for the first 18s to show up at the dealers and then test drive an 18 and a leftover 17 and see if the 18 is worth it. Direct injection alone makes the 18 worth it IMO but up to you.
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Direct injection is worth the wait all together.


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Wait for the 2018 to be out. Even then if you decide that one is not for you then the 2015-2017 will take a price hit anyway. I am very anxious to see all the specs of the 2018.
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Direct injection. If it's anything like GM's setup. Get ready for 800+hp on E on 100% stock fuel system


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I just brought a brand new 17 GT premium with performance pkg , I traded in my 14 GT with only 7k miles on it , first off this 17 is soooo far better & different from my 14 & more powerful I was going to wait on the 18 , but I got such a good deal I couldn't pass it up , but long story short of your looking to get the new 18 GT premium with performance pkg be ready to spend over 45k to close to 50k .Click image for larger version

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Yeah unless I find an incredible deal on a 17 I think I might as well just wait and see how the 18 turns out. Depending on what the msrp is on these cars is, I might just end up getting the base gt.


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TBTH the one I am waiting for is the 2020/2021 whenever they do the next iteration. Coming back from Spain in 2021 unless I extend out there if we love it in Europe. Tax free overseas purchase and free shipping back to the US and debt free well before then.
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Is there an exact date when the 2018s will be available to order?


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The 2015s were early July I believe when they started taking pre-orders and took about 5 months from those orders till delivery.
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If your in it for the price, then 16s are a better deal than the 17s with the same tech.

However like you said the 18s are a real refresh car, 10speed dual clutch auto, port and direct injected 5.0 with more power and torque(possible E85 out if the box too), new colors, magride shocks etc., and that new all digital dash

A used 17 will have a good start price once the 18s are out too.

My opinion would be hold out a little longer see what the 18s are before pulling the trigger on a 16/17 MY then make an informed buy when you can.
Its not a dual clutch. But it is as fast as one.
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Its not a dual clutch. But it is as fast as one.

Probably debatable. I'm sure its fast, but modern DCTs are insanely fast shifting.


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Its not a dual clutch. But it is as fast as one.
My understanding its the GM hydromatic 10speed, that is a dual clutch.
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My understanding its the GM hydromatic 10speed, that is a dual clutch.
GM and Ford developed the 10spd together, GM was just first to put it in production vehicles.
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correct just stating I was under the impression its the same platform making it DCT.
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Dunno but the 2018s with a good tune, good exhaust and a good converter and a little bit in the way of suspension will be really nice.

That direct injection is going to open up a world of tricks for the tuners.
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I know it won't be as good as the 2018 but is the auto trans in the 15-17s any good?


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The 6R80 has been in Mustangs since 2011 and is probably the best transmission Ford ever made. The new 10 speed is a joint GM/Ford unit.
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Probably debatable. I'm sure its fast, but modern DCTs are insanely fast shifting.
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My understanding its the GM hydromatic 10speed, that is a dual clutch.
From what I understand it has smaller simpler rotating clutches (not true dual clutch or triple clutch), & they don't use the torque converter unless taking off from a stand still.

See the 2 documents below. Both the GM focused and Ford focused articles state the same thing about it having 6 clutches.

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The 10-speed has four simple gearsets and six clutches: two brake clutches and four rotating clutches.
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... the transmission features six clutches actuated by integrated solenoid valves rather than the typical fluid pump and valve body.
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The 6R80 has been in Mustangs since 2011 and is probably the best transmission Ford ever made. The new 10 speed is a joint GM/Ford unit.
I have a 6 speed automatic and pushed the car to it's limit on narrow and steep mountain roads (harsh driving between hair-pin turns). Entering tight turns in mid-2nd gear I try to reach 5,000 RPM in 3rd gear before heavily braking again.
Comparing to a lighter Porsche, Cooper-S, Audi-TT or asian motorcycles the Mustang behaves fantastically well if you have the guts to use full throttle and skill to hold your trajectory. I just can't figure out the need for a 10 speed automatic since we have torque everywhere and I prefer not to shift as often to optimize the braking distances.
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I have a 6 speed automatic and pushed the car to it's limit on narrow and steep mountain roads (harsh driving between hair-pin turns). Entering tight turns in mid-2nd gear I try to reach 5,000 RPM in 3rd gear before heavily braking again.
Comparing to a lighter Porsche, Cooper-S, Audi-TT or asian motorcycles the Mustang behaves fantastically well if you have the guts to use full throttle and skill to hold your trajectory. I just can't figure out the need for a 10 speed automatic since we have torque everywhere and I prefer not to shift as often to optimize the braking distances.
I'm assuming you are talking about a 15/16/17 car, yeah apparently whoever programmed those automatics knew wth he/she was doing because they are great. The 11-14s are still good but not for corner carving like the 15-17s are.

As for why 10 speeds? Fuel economy requirements. 10 speeds=car in eco mode will always be able to achieve optimum gas mileage. And I'd like to think people are smarter than this but I'm pretty sure I'd be disappointed... the average consumer will take a 10 speed over a 6 speed not knowing anything other than 10 is more than 6.
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I'm assuming you are talking about a 15/16/17 car, yeah apparently whoever programmed those automatics knew wth he/she was doing because they are great. The 11-14s are still good but not for corner carving like the 15-17s are.

As for why 10 speeds? Fuel economy requirements. 10 speeds=car in eco mode will always be able to achieve optimum gas mileage. And I'd like to think people are smarter than this but I'm pretty sure I'd be disappointed... the average consumer will take a 10 speed over a 6 speed not knowing anything other than 10 is more than 6.
I have the 2017 Convertible. IMO Fuel consumption is excellent:
- 10l/100Km at 55mph
- 11l/100Km at 75mph
- 12.5l/100Km in normal traffic
- 15l/100Km in congested traffic (I often turn OFF the engine)
After 4,500Km my average is 11.3l/100Km. FWIW my Harley takes half of this and has 6 times less power
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Oh, mileage on the auto especially with the stock tune is spectacular with the 6 speed for a 430hp V8. But CAFE/EPA requirements get more stringent every year. IMO its a good thing, going to push to fully electric at some point in the next 10-15 years and there are some faster than **** Teslas right now and the torque on those is INSTANT.

Anyway, that's going off the rails a bit... The big thing for the 18 is direct inject, period. That alone is reason to get one. Although my personal favorites are still the 07-09 GT500 and the 11/12 Mustang GT/Boss.
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Direction injection is where it's at. No more replacing injectors and fuel pumps ect. All in the tune baby


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GM and Ford developed the 10spd together, GM was just first to put it in production vehicles.

As yolo said Ford mainly built the 10 speed. Chevy doesn't have the money or brains to make a 10R80 "10L80" trans. Just like the 9 inch diff Chevy owner use from Ford😂.

Currently wait and see what the 18 has to offer. Body kits will most likely be 6 months to a year out to change the appearance. Supposedly you can't put a top mount blower like VMP/Roush, whipple, TVS. Having the magna ride suspension and a few other things they haven't released is what has me mad getting the 16/ time will tell. Ford stays winning


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Direct Injection fuel systems have limits just like port injection systems. When you reach those limits it's a hell of a lot more difficult and expensive to modify. From what I have read direct Injection system limits are not really any higher than port injection limits.

At this point in time if your interests are in modifying your engine for big power you are better off with port injection. There may be a day when direct Injection injectors aren't close to a grand each and the fuel pumps over two grand.
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Direct Injection fuel systems have limits just like port injection systems. When you reach those limits it's a hell of a lot more difficult and expensive to modify. From what I have read direct Injection system limits are not really any higher than port injection limits.

At this point in time if your interests are in modifying your engine for big power you are better off with port injection. There may be a day when direct Injection injectors aren't close to a grand each and the fuel pumps over two grand.

I tune and build the new GM direct injection cars/trucks. I know what they are capable of.

800hp if very easy to get out of a 100% stock fuel system.


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Or just buy an older car that already has a worked fuel system... was just on SVTP and the prices for some of the Coyote cars and 07-09 GT500s are just nuts. **** is not holding any value except for the dudes wanting $35k for a low mile Terminator...
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It'll be interesting to see if they'd add DI to the Voodoo. Probably not but would be interesting to see. Maybe the Voodoo will get the 10 speed; and they're being all hush, hush about it?
Me, I'll stick with my obsolete 3V's.


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