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Old 03-07-2013, 03:55 AM   #1
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Thumbs up US members rejoice! Ford confirms ecoboost 4 but for Europe only

Damn best news I've heard about the new model in a long while. Ford exec confirms that the new model will get an Ecoboost 4 base model, but only in Europe. Which means we'll keep our V6 base model here

Still, 300hp from a 2.3L is pretty potent.

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- The 2015 Ford Mustang is slated to get a fuel-efficient 2.3-liter four-cylinder gasoline engine, but only for European editions.
- The engine is based on the turbocharged 2.0-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder engine featured in the 2013 Ford Focus ST.
- Engine output is likely to rise from 252 horsepower to 300 hp in 2.3-liter form, according to company insiders.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=563
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I wouldn't say confirmed, but it's a nice rumor that I hope is true.
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I saw that one also... Looks like we are getting it.
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its fine for the base model as long as the hp/tq are a match as well as performance is the same.

I hope its not like another 1995 release issue where they underrated the 93 mustang to make the 94/05 5.0 look superior when they were slower or in 96 when they hp stayed but the tq dropped and thus once again slower lol.
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Who gives a **** if the base model here has a 4 cyl in it. And this isn't confirmed. This is a link to a forum post. I'd like to see a 4 cyl 6cyl and an 8.
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Whats the benefit of a 4 and a 6?
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Whats the benefit of a 4 and a 6?
It'll give the sixxers someone to hate on :p
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It'll give the sixxers someone to hate on :p
That's about the only benefit, keep them off the GT's.
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It'll give the sixxers someone to hate on :p
Hah so true.

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That's about the only benefit, keep them off the GT's.
If the GTs get 4 cylinder turbos
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Whats the benefit of a 4 and a 6?
Lol. What's there too hate. Fast is fast. There lies the difference between some. Ford can rock out a 3 cylinder mustang as long as that sucker is rocking out 350 HP. So many guys get caught up in how many cylinders stuff has. Fast is fast. If Ford can give the Mustang 340 HP, 4 cylinder, ecoboost engine that's running faster times than the 3.7 and can get 35 plus mpg's, where do I sign up.
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Lol. What's there too hate. Fast is fast. There lies the difference between some. Ford can rock out a 3 cylinder mustang as long as that sucker is rocking out 350 HP. So many guys get caught up in how many cylinders stuff has. Fast is fast. If Ford can give the Mustang 340 HP, 4 cylinder, ecoboost engine that's running faster times than the 3.7 and can get 35 plus mpg's, where do I sign up.
But you'd be sacrificing exhaust sexiness :p
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But you'd be sacrificing exhaust sexiness :p
True, but not everybody who buys a mustang cares about how loud the exhaust is. Some just want a very sexy, fast pony car. I personally, like the nice exhaust tone but fast is fast. I think its great Ford would give three options for there engine choices. Base 4 cylinder Turbo, maybe 330 HP. 3.7 V6 370 HP and then the 5.0 engine. Nothing wrong with more options for consumers who have different needs. Not every person on the planet wants a car with a V8.
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True, but not everybody who buys a mustang cares about how loud the exhaust is. Some just want a very sexy, fast pony car. I personally, like the nice exhaust tone but fast is fast. I think its great Ford would give three options for there engine choices. Base 4 cylinder Turbo, maybe 330 HP. 3.7 V6 370 HP and then the 5.0 engine. Nothing wrong with more options for consumers who have different needs. Not every person on the planet wants a car with a V8.
V6 w/ 370 I think that's pushing it, but well see :p
And most people that buy mustangs don't do anything to them.
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My last car was a Dodge Caliber SRT4 with a 4 cyl that had 300 hp. Personally, I thought the exhaust note was pretty sweet. It wasn't the same as a v8 but it also wasn't that raspy fart can ricer exhaust either.
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V6 w/ 370 I think that's pushing it, but well see :p
And most people that buy mustangs don't do anything to them.
Well yeah, I was just using an example of HP number. Lol. But it good to have three different engine options. Everybody has different wants in a car but if someone loves the sexiness of the stang but wants a car to get 35 plus mpg, then a 4 banger with 300 plus HP would be perfect for that person. Certainly , not perfect for all but some people don't want a 700 HP car and don't care about going the 1/4 mile in 12.5 or less. Lol.
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the v6 really doesnt sound that great in the new 3.7 anyways, much better than the older but nothing to cry about losing.... however I would choose 3.7 100x over a 4 banger with loud exhasut blah
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the v6 really doesnt sound that great in the new 3.7 anyways, much better than the older but nothing to cry about losing.... however I would choose 3.7 100x over a 4 banger with loud exhasut blah
Well, the 3.7 is never gonna sound like the V8. It's got two less cylinders, lol but personally i think it can sound really good depending on ones set up. Granted , just stock mufflers, yeah it's not gonna win any aggressive muscle tome award. Get an aftermarket exhaust system, get headers and x pipe, now it's sounding mean and loud. Most people think my sixer is a v8 now with my set up. Of course , these people are not mustang enthusiasts and have no clue but its a sweet time to my ears. Lol
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I was surprised with the tone overall as my previous v6's were both 3.8L push rod even fire motors~ the 3.7has some a long way regardless for the mustang
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Lol. What's there too hate. Fast is fast. There lies the difference between some. Ford can rock out a 3 cylinder mustang as long as that sucker is rocking out 350 HP. So many guys get caught up in how many cylinders stuff has. Fast is fast. If Ford can give the Mustang 340 HP, 4 cylinder, ecoboost engine that's running faster times than the 3.7 and can get 35 plus mpg's, where do I sign up.
Why make 3 engine platforms and drive up the cost of the mustang for no reason. Pick either the 4T or V6 as the base and the V8 as the GT. It's great to have some options to attract different buyers, but it's not supposed to be a car for everyone's tastes and desires. It makes no sense to offer 2 different base models that are almost the same output.
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Why make 3 engine platforms and drive up the cost of the mustang for no reason. Pick either the 4T or V6 as the base and the V8 as the GT. It's great to have some options to attract different buyers, but it's not supposed to be a car for everyone's tastes and desires. It makes no sense to offer 2 different base models that are almost the same output.
What its supposed to do is sell units and make Ford money. This means they will do whatever they can to maximize profits. If they can make enough profit on a new engine to justify development of said engine then they will make it. The economics of it are not left to chance.
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Why make 3 engine platforms and drive up the cost of the mustang for no reason. Pick either the 4T or V6 as the base and the V8 as the GT. It's great to have some options to attract different buyers, but it's not supposed to be a car for everyone's tastes and desires. It makes no sense to offer 2 different base models that are almost the same output.
Just curios , not saying your wrong but who says the mustang is not supposed to be a car for everyone's tastes and desires? Who made up that rule? Why would having a third engine drive the costs up of the mustang? Ford already has a 4 banger, turbo engine in the Focus ST. Ford is not starting from scratch here boss. The engine is already designed. There gonna stick that 4 banger engine in a mustang body, give the 4 banger a bit more HP and call it a day. I'm lost on what having a 4, 6 and 8 banger has to do with driving the costs up. Ford would be smart to offer a 4 banger, turbo option to attract more buyers. There may be plenty of people who buy a 4 banger mustang over another 4 banger vehicle especially if the consumer is looking for 35 plus highway mpg's. It's very smart of Ford to give more options to consumers. I hate to break it to some here, but Fords looking at the big picture and the big picture is more than 20 to 30 thousand mustang enthusiasts who want nothing but 800 HP cars. Certainly , Ford can make a 5.0 with crazy HP but the entire world doesn't revolve around HP, torque and 1/4 mile numbers.

There are a lot of consumers out there who are buying 4 banger, turbo coupes and with a little modification the boost can be turned way up on the factory turbo.
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Just curios , not saying your wrong but who says the mustang is not supposed to be a car for everyone's tastes and desires? Who made up that rule? Why would having a third engine drive the costs up of the mustang? Ford already has a 4 banger, turbo engine in the Focus ST. Ford is not starting from scratch here boss. The engine is already designed. There gonna stick that 4 banger engine in a mustang body, give the 4 banger a bit more HP and call it a day. I'm lost on what having a 4, 6 and 8 banger has to do with driving the costs up. Ford would be smart to offer a 4 banger, turbo option to attract more buyers. There may be plenty of people who buy a 4 banger mustang over another 4 banger vehicle especially if the consumer is looking for 35 plus highway mpg's. It's very smart of Ford to give more options to consumers. I hate to break it to some here, but Fords looking at the big picture and the big picture is more than 20 to 30 thousand mustang enthusiasts who want nothing but 800 HP cars. Certainly , Ford can make a 5.0 with crazy HP but the entire world doesn't revolve around HP, torque and 1/4 mile numbers.

There are a lot of consumers out there who are buying 4 banger, turbo coupes and with a little modification the boost can be turned way up on the factory turbo.
The mustang can be everything to everybody, but it's just not practical. Why sell any other models other than the mustang?
Yeah Ford has many different engines available. But it's a matter of manufacturing economies of scale.

More big options, such as engines, changes the assembly process dramatically and drives up the cost some. Then you cut into your V6 engine sales by offering a 4T, which means you purchase less V6's and therefore pay more for each. Also you're talking about not just an engine swap, but installing and plumbing a turbo.
The Focus is a FWD, mustang requries RWD configuration.
Marketing is a tricky thing, you can gain a ton of new customers with a 4T and a 6T with no V8, but then you would lose a ton of customers also. It just seems to make more sense to offer either a V6 or a 4T. If the base model is all about mpg, then dump the V6 and only offer a 4T.
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The mustang can be everything to everybody, but it's just not practical. Why sell any other models other than the mustang?
Yeah Ford has many different engines available. But it's a matter of manufacturing economies of scale.

More big options, such as engines, changes the assembly process dramatically and drives up the cost some. Then you cut into your V6 engine sales by offering a 4T, which means you purchase less V6's and therefore pay more for each. Also you're talking about not just an engine swap, but installing and plumbing a turbo.
The Focus is a FWD, mustang requries RWD configuration.
Marketing is a tricky thing, you can gain a ton of new customers with a 4T and a 6T with no V8, but then you would lose a ton of customers also. It just seems to make more sense to offer either a V6 or a 4T. If the base model is all about mpg, then dump the V6 and only offer a 4T.
Then my vote would be for a 6 banger turbo. Its settled. Lmao. I'll call up Ford and tell them..
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Then my vote would be for a 6 banger turbo. Its settled. Lmao. I'll call up Ford and tell them..
Vote noted. While you've got them on the phone, tell not to use Microsoft for Sync on the 2015, it sucks.
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I think that if you look at the new gas mileage requirements you will realize that the V8's days are numbered. The EPA requirement for 2025 is that new cars average 54.5 mpg compared to the requirement of today which is 28.6 mpg. (across the manufacturers entire line)

There is no way they will be able to have V8s in the lineup and meet those type of mileage requirements. Slowly but surely, they will be phased out.
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I think that if you look at the new gas mileage requirements you will realize that the V8's days are numbered. The EPA requirement for 2025 is that new cars average 54.5 mpg compared to the requirement of today which is 28.6 mpg. (across the manufacturers entire line)

There is no way they will be able to have V8s in the lineup and meet those type of mileage requirements. Slowly but surely, they will be phased out.
That's under the current battery brained administration. Don't give up the V8 yet. They've made pretty good progress, look at the GT500, 15 years ago you couldn't have made it across town with that much HP without a 40 gallon tank. Plus that's average, by 2025 they'll have some hydrogen or functional electric cars that will pull the average way up.
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Top gear had a 2012 gt500 on there for a cross country race....doing speed limits its averaged 12 mpg lol
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Top gear had a 2012 gt500 on there for a cross country race....doing speed limits its averaged 12 mpg lol
Who was driving it Tanner? They don't do great, but cars like it got 5 mpg in the past. It's an average across the entire fleet. You sell a 95 mpg smart type car and you're there.
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I think that if you look at the new gas mileage requirements you will realize that the V8's days are numbered. The EPA requirement for 2025 is that new cars average 54.5 mpg compared to the requirement of today which is 28.6 mpg. (across the manufacturers entire line)

There is no way they will be able to have V8s in the lineup and meet those type of mileage requirements. Slowly but surely, they will be phased out.
Yes but with the V8 just on the stang. Getting that average shouldn't be too difficult if they improve all the other vehicles. Technology continues to improve at a rapid rate so by 2025 who know what'll happen.

Personally though I wouldn't be opposed to an EcoBoost V6 taking the V8's place. Sorry guys, not a V8 muscle car enthusiast lol. I actually love the sound of some of these new V6's. The Nissan GTR has probably my favourite exhaust note of any car.
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But the v8 isn't just on the Stang. There are also all those trucks to consider. Also, consider that the price of gas has quadrupled in the past 12 years. If that trend continues, demand for the v8s will decrease which will be another nail in the coffin.
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But the v8 isn't just on the Stang. There are also all those trucks to consider. Also, consider that the price of gas has quadrupled in the past 12 years. If that trend continues, demand for the v8s will decrease which will be another nail in the coffin.
The biggest gas increases have been in the last few years. Hopefully the politics of not utilizing our on resources will stop and we will be able to expand drilling.
It sounds like you would prefer a 4T Eco mustang and dump the V8 no matter what.
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Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about my preference.

I am just predicting the future.
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Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about my preference.

I am just predicting the future.
I prefer a v8
Btw :p
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But the v8 isn't just on the Stang. There are also all those trucks to consider. Also, consider that the price of gas has quadrupled in the past 12 years. If that trend continues, demand for the v8s will decrease which will be another nail in the coffin.
Yes but I believe cars and trucks have their own separate target averages. In fact, I believe it breaks down even further such as compact, midsize, sport, luxury etc.. All with their own target. If I'm not mistaken on that.
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