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Old 11-10-2013, 01:21 AM   #36
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Well, to start. There aren't charging stations all over the place. There too expensive. The milage distance a charge can go is not good. They suck, costly to purchase. Not perfected. Let's see, any other reasons why electric cars don't sell. Oh yeah, not roomy, small, they suck. Said that already.
Please tell me that you're joking. Do you know anything about the Tesla Model S at all?
It can go 300 miles on one charge, which is further then most cars on one tank of gas. You don't need a "charging station" all you need is an electrical outlet. Motels, gas stations, and more have those. The Tesla has more room in it then an SUV, and it is the highest rated car in Consumer Reports history. It's also the safest car ever tested by the NHTSA.

Oh yea, and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and it'll lap a GT500.
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Please tell me that you're joking. Do you know anything about the Tesla Model S at all? It can go 300 miles on one charge, which is further then most cars on one tank of gas. You don't need a "charging station" all you need is an electrical outlet. Motels, gas stations, and more have those. The Tesla has more room in it then an SUV, and it is the highest rated car in Consumer Reports history. It's also the safest car ever tested by the NHTSA. Oh yea, and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and it'll lap a GT500.
Yea I hate all electric cars except the tesla that think is beautiful!!! But the charging part sucks to me..that's really the only thing I don't like about it! Gas takes minutes to fill up while u have to wait hours to charge up. We'll I also don't like that it's $70k. Haha.
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I'm sure they exist, but like the old school analog gauges. I love the digital gauges in my wife's 2011 explorer, but not for the mustang. May seem weird.
Yeah I'm kind of torn myself haha
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Please tell me that you're joking. Do you know anything about the Tesla Model S at all?
It can go 300 miles on one charge, which is further then most cars on one tank of gas. You don't need a "charging station" all you need is an electrical outlet. Motels, gas stations, and more have those. The Tesla has more room in it then an SUV, and it is the highest rated car in Consumer Reports history. It's also the safest car ever tested by the NHTSA.

Oh yea, and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and it'll lap a GT500.
You wrote "why don't electric cars sells". I was answering in a whole. All electric cars not just the one Tesla. They start at 62,500 but with some options I'm sure 70k. The replacement battery is 10k. Great for 300 miles, Then what? Where do I charge my Telsa when I'm going on a 800 mile trip? Where do I charge it when I hit 300 miles on I 95 or what ever roadway I'm on?

Electric cars are too costly up front, battery replacement is too costly and have no idea where there are charging stations but I have never seen one charging station in my travels and I live in the Philadelphia, Baltimore , DC region..
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You wrote "why don't electric cars sells". I was answering in a whole. All electric cars not just the one Tesla. How much does a Telsa cost?
The whole electric car thing was more sarcasm than anything. Although the Tesla is very impressive, it's expensive and not as convenient as a 7 minutes gas fill up.

The point was that people shopping MPG are not starting with Mustangs. It's a nice bonus when they squeeze out a few more MPGs.

A lot if people will like a turbo option, but it won out sell the V8 unless it's priced lower and I'll bet it's going to cost more.

The other thing is a turbo 4 is close to its max HP without massive mods, whereas the coyote still has a lot left in it to mod with simple bolt ons. Then if you turbo the coyote it doubles the 4 in HP and torque.
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The whole electric car thing was more sarcasm than anything. Although the Tesla is very impressive, it's expensive and not as convenient as a 7 minutes gas fill up.

The point was that people shopping MPG are not starting with Mustangs. It's a nice bonus when they squeeze out a few more MPGs.

A lot if people will like a turbo option, but it won out sell the V8 unless it's priced lower and I'll bet it's going to cost more.

The other thing is a turbo 4 is close to its max HP without massive mods, whereas the coyote still has a lot left in it to mod with simple bolt ons. Then if you turbo the coyote it doubles the 4 in HP and torque.
Lol. Well, true that about the 4 banger being more expensive than a 5.0 sales may not be better. Any word on price of the turbo? Is that the rumor the 4 banger will cost more than a 5.0.
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Lol. Well, true that about the 4 banger being more expensive than a 5.0 sales may not be better. Any word on price of the turbo? Is that the rumor the 4 banger will cost more than a 5.0.
The general speculation is that the prices will be the v6 is the base, then the turbo 4, then the 5.0
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Lol. Well, true that about the 4 banger being more expensive than a 5.0 sales may not be better. Any word on price of the turbo? Is that the rumor the 4 banger will cost more than a 5.0.
The original turbo 84-86 was an SVO model and more. I anticipate they will do this again as a special more expensive model.
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A leaked survey had the turbo 4 between the V6 and V8 in price.
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In 2008 they estimated 30k for a battery replacement. In 2010, they estimated 15k. If one buys it from Tesla, and has Tesla instal it, owners are paying 12k. My gen 1 Honda Insight battery (all done on warranty) would have been 4k, 2k for the battery, 2 k for instal. The instal is very easy if one understands how you tube works, and is not a total idiot.

What's funny, is after market battery companies make BIGGER and BETTER batteries for LESS money. I do not believe in electric power as a solution for the rest of mankind, I think hydrogen would be a smarter long run investment- but when some total f*** tard (actually on here) says that a GT500 costs less money to own and run 100k miles on than a stock Fusion hybrid, you know it's a sad ignorant world when people think a 55k car that runs premium and gets at best 25 mpg "costs more" than a 30k car that gets twice that in the city or the highway.

Yes, initial investment is huge. But most people now don't look at total cost of ownership. Fuel, repairs, oil changes, all go in. I do not think it's a bad idea to get a Leaf for a daily driver, as long as your commute is under 75 miles one way. Then rent a car for long trips. The Leafs have two moving components...lol, and a contributing reason to price is the refinement. This isn't a G1 Insight or GM EV1 here, these are comfy nice vehicles.

Like the people with big giant trucks that don't haul or move anything. Why buy a Uhaul to drive to the store once a week and commute to work? I rent one to move, or heck just make a few trips borrowing an F-150.

On the Mustang- Interior looks good, but I hope most of the wheels aren't like that. I prefer just CC on my wheel, I don't need everything on there- sound, volume, radio, game pad, espresso button, so on.

I was hoping not for a 320 hp turbo 4, I'd rather they continue development on refining the 3.7- I think it's dim to make 4 engine levels, between buyers and government regulations- but if Ford wants to do it, no skin off my teeth.

I wouldn't mind getting a turbo 4 banger, and it would be better for a usual driver FE wise, but the v6 is better to truly modify, in my opinion. I don't know if I could get the 40/46 mpg I get in the v6 with the t4.
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I don't know if I could get the 40/46 mpg I get in the v6 with the t4.
I would like to know how you get 40/46 with a V6...
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I would like to know how you get 40/46 with a V6...
If you want to improve your FE, PM me, I won't want to derail the thread. Lots of websites on aerodynamics and efficient driving techniques- but you will be pretty limited with a slush box- the standard makes it a lot easier. The link in my sig goes to my cars page on the FE website I am on. Much more impressive things on there.

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If you want to improve your FE, PM me, I won't want to derail the thread.
Yall are talking about electric cars, v6s, v8s, performance. Might as well go ahead. The thread is about the interior...
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Yall are talking about electric cars, v6s, v8s, performance. Might as well go ahead. The thread is about the interior...
^lmao. So true. I liked the interior I saw.
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^lmao. So true. I liked the interior I saw.
The interior does look quite good.
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The interior does look quite good.
December is coming quickly and all will be released soon. Lol.
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Tried to stay on topic! lol, I thought it looked good on the inside. They (Mustangs) are not the most well dressed inside, but whenever I look in Camaros, they look like they are trying too hard. They all want to be a Hot Wheel or a Transformer. Not everything needs to be gaudy, flashy, and over the top. And when one has to be over the top, they can at least make it look high quality.

Maybe that's just me, but I like subtle. It also isn't too far of a jump from what we have. I am all for growth, but I prefer evolution at a moderate rate, not just giant jumps. I am glad the Mustang isn't a new "luxury" car or something else. It may not be a true muscle car to the name, or everyones opinion, but it is still a performance oriented car not over focused on junk.

If that is base interior, and base price hasn't hit 24, then I think it's great. (Base for 2014 was ~22, Camaro is <24, and slightly inferior in my opinion, Challenger is <27, and HA is my only thought on the Challenger, Genesis is <25, and just a step up from chrysler.

So we are to expect it in December? I was hoping for NAIAS this year, but if it hits December, I would think it would be there for sure.
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Tried to stay on topic! lol, I thought it looked good on the inside. They (Mustangs) are not the most well dressed inside, but whenever I look in Camaros, they look like they are trying too hard. They all want to be a Hot Wheel or a Transformer. Not everything needs to be gaudy, flashy, and over the top. And when one has to be over the top, they can at least make it look high quality.

Maybe that's just me, but I like subtle. It also isn't too far of a jump from what we have. I am all for growth, but I prefer evolution at a moderate rate, not just giant jumps. I am glad the Mustang isn't a new "luxury" car or something else. It may not be a true muscle car to the name, or everyones opinion, but it is still a performance oriented car not over focused on junk.

If that is base interior, and base price hasn't hit 24, then I think it's great. (Base for 2014 was ~22, Camaro is <24, and slightly inferior in my opinion, Challenger is <27, and HA is my only thought on the Challenger, Genesis is <25, and just a step up from chrysler.

So we are to expect it in December? I was hoping for NAIAS this year, but if it hits December, I would think it would be there for sure.
It will be revealed in December.
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The whole electric car thing was more sarcasm than anything. Although the Tesla is very impressive, it's expensive and not as convenient as a 7 minutes gas fill up.

The point was that people shopping MPG are not starting with Mustangs. It's a nice bonus when they squeeze out a few more MPGs.

A lot if people will like a turbo option, but it won out sell the V8 unless it's priced lower and I'll bet it's going to cost more.

The other thing is a turbo 4 is close to its max HP without massive mods, whereas the coyote still has a lot left in it to mod with simple bolt ons. Then if you turbo the coyote it doubles the 4 in HP and torque.
I work at nissan and the leaf isn't bad. Its starts at 32k and own it for a year and its a 7k tax write off. There are charging stations all over and even at my apartment there are 5. Sure 100 miles isn't much but for going to work and back its great. It has 100 percent torque all the time.Only maintance is rotate tires and an incabin. Within the nexr few years the battery life is suppose to double. Ofg topic yes but my point is that I do believe in our future most vehciled will one day be electic and still push the power of modern gas engines today. Look at mercedes who's introducing a whole line of AMG electric cars in the next few years.
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Then why don't electric cars sell? The Tesla, 5,000lb 4 door will smoke a mustang and beat a GT500.
There's more to it than just fuel efficient and fast. Most people worry about fuel last. It's not a top priority or they would have bought something else.
The Tesla Model S starts at about $60,000. A loaded model puts you around $100,000. That's why "most" people don't buy them.
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Great for 300 miles, Then what? Where do I charge my Telsa when I'm going on a 800 mile trip? Where do I charge it when I hit 300 miles on I 95 or what ever roadway I'm on?

Electric cars are too costly up front, battery replacement is too costly and have no idea where there are charging stations but I have never seen one charging station in my travels and I live in the Philadelphia, Baltimore , DC region..
Did you even read my comment?? I'm pretty sure you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. *Facepalm*

You don't need a charging station, any regular outlet would work. What do you do after you drive 300 miles? You charge it overnight at a hotel. Where do you charge when you go on an 800 mile trip? If you go on an 800 mile trip with no breaks, then a Tesla isn't for you, but I've never heard of anyone ever doing that.

The battery pack is good for 100k miles or 10 years IIRC, which is about the life of the car, and if you want to keep it longer, 10k isn't bad considering Teslas are virtually maintenance free.
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Did you even read my comment?? I'm pretty sure you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. *Facepalm* You don't need a charging station, any regular outlet would work. What do you do after you drive 300 miles? You charge it overnight at a hotel. Where do you charge when you go on an 800 mile trip? If you go on an 800 mile trip with no breaks, then a Tesla isn't for you, but I've never heard of anyone ever doing that. The battery pack is good for 100k miles or 10 years IIRC, which is about the life of the car, and if you want to keep it longer, 10k isn't bad considering Teslas are virtually maintenance free.
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The Tesla Model S starts at about $60,000. A loaded model puts you around $100,000. That's why "most" people don't buy them.
My comments about electric cars was sarcasm.

Very few, if any people buy a mustang for fuel economy. Electric cars are not to going to catch on until they go 350 miles on a charge and can be fully recharged in 10 minutes. They aren't practical unless you work 15 minutes from home and don't take long trips.

It's a benefit to gain a few MPGs with modernized engines, but it's not like someone buying a Nissan leaf is waiting for a 40mpg mustang to change their mind and that's the only factor.

The turbo 4 will mostly attract people that love turbos and not necessarily looking for a few more MPGs.
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My comments about electric cars was sarcasm.

Very few, if any people buy a mustang for fuel economy. Electric cars are not to going to catch on until they go 350 miles on a charge and can be fully recharged in 10 minutes. They aren't practical unless you work 15 minutes from home and don't take long trips.

It's a benefit to gain a few MPGs with modernized engines, but it's not like someone buying a Nissan leaf is waiting for a 40mpg mustang to change their mind and that's the only factor.

The turbo 4 will mostly attract people that love turbos and not necessarily looking for a few more MPGs.
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How much would your electric bill be if you charged at home??
That's what's so stupid about plug in cars. The electricity usually comes from a coal plant.
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That's what's so stupid about plug in cars. The electricity usually comes from a coal plant.
The amount of coal needed to charge an electric car is exponentially smaller than the amount of gas you need to travel the same distance. It's not stupid, it's smart.
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The amount of coal needed to charge an electric car is exponentially smaller than the amount of gas you need to travel the same distance. It's not stupid, it's smart.
It's a snow job. You can't take a trip in a plug in. Unless you stay overnight every 6 hours.
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It's a snow job. You can't take a trip in a plug in. Unless you stay overnight every 6 hours.
*facepalm* Just...just nevermind. You're like talking to a brick wall.
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Why are we talking about electric cars? I thought this thread was started about the interior?
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Why are we talking about electric cars? I thought this thread was started about the interior?
Interior of electric cars.
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*facepalm* Just...just nevermind. You're like talking to a brick wall.
I know you want an electric car to successful. But be realistic. It's not near practical for most people. You have to charge it most of the night. Imagine it taking 7 hours to fill your gas tank. Heater, AC, radio all kill your total mileage you can travel. In the electric car world they've made huge leaps forward, but not when compared to people daily driving cars all over the place. Plus it takes all kinds if nasty chemicals to make the huge batteries.

I didn't want to take off on the electric tangent. But it's the same logic that if they only have a turbo 4, nobody will get a V8 because of mpg.

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On topic: I like the interior- but it's busy on a loaded model.

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The Tesla Model S starts at about $60,000. A loaded model puts you around $100,000. That's why "most" people don't buy them.
Model S starts at 70,070 USD in straight cash before the tax incentive. Loaded is subjective, but a Cadillac ATS (the cheapest rear wheel drive "sports" sedan) is 42+ with only a comparable engine, no other options. I think the value of the Tesla is worth the price difference. I wouldn't buy one myself, but I don't think it's unreasonable.
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My comments about electric cars was sarcasm.

Very few, if any people buy a mustang for fuel economy. Electric cars are not to going to catch on until they go 350 miles on a charge and can be fully recharged in 10 minutes. They aren't practical unless you work 15 minutes from home and don't take long trips.

It's a benefit to gain a few MPGs with modernized engines, but it's not like someone buying a Nissan leaf is waiting for a 40mpg mustang to change their mind and that's the only factor.

The turbo 4 will mostly attract people that love turbos and not necessarily looking for a few more MPGs.
I bought my Mustang for fuel economy. And actually, they are designed for people who don't travel more than 75 miles per day (most people), and for people who know what they need. AKA, one does not need a F350 to drive 20 miles to work, and use it for that. Need a truck? Rent one. Need a car for a longer drive, such as a trip? Rent one. Heck, when we go to NAIAS each year from Ohio, we rent a car. Why put the miles on one of our cars, for how cheap it is to just take something else?

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That's what's so stupid about plug in cars. The electricity usually comes from a coal plant.
In the United States?
100+ Nuclear power plants in the US.
Source: NRC: Operating Nuclear Power Reactors (by Location or Name)
77% comes from coal/non renewable sources.
100% of gas & diesel comes from non renewable sources [for automobiles].
Source: Where does Ohio’s electricity come from? - PUCO

"Electric vehicles convert about 59–62% of the electrical energy from the grid to power at the wheels—conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 17–21% of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels."
Source: All-Electric Vehicles

So, 17-21% power from a 100% non renewable source? Or 59-62% from a 23% renewable source?

Also, a recycled battery can reuse precious metals. Like a catalytic converter. Previous metals, and they can be recycled. Ever hear about them being stolen? Same concept, except when a hoodlum in a hoodie is in the back of a hybrid trying to pull out a battery, he has a much higher chance of being killed- by electricity lol


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I know you want an electric car to successful. But be realistic. It's not near practical for most people. You have to charge it most of the night. Imagine it taking 7 hours to fill your gas tank. Heater, AC, radio all kill your total mileage you can travel. In the electric car world they've made huge leaps forward, but not when compared to people daily driving cars all over the place. Plus it takes all kinds if nasty chemicals to make the huge batteries.

I didn't want to take off on the electric tangent. But it's the same logic that if they only have a turbo 4, nobody will get a V8 because of mpg.

People buy the fastest Mustang they can afford PERIOD
People who want to go fast will buy the fastest motorcycle they can afford.
An intelligent person will buy the best vehicle that fits their needs, which includes price. I can afford a V8. But my 5.07 mile (one way) commute, or my 21 mile (one way) commute would never use 400+ horsepower- I don't need the 300+ in the Mustang, or even the 60+ in the Insight.

For 21k (after rebate), the Leaf is not a bad product. For being highly refined, comfortable, and easily handling the average commute, it's a bit of a no brainer for many people. One issue is ignorance, another is lack of options (Only Nissan, limited options compared to the grand scope of cars <25k), and again, some people think they need x00 horsepower to get to work, or a tow rating of x0,000 lbs, or whatever they use once or twice per year, for daily driving.

We live in a country of excess. Even our poorest poor have great lives compared to many countries average life style. I could just drive a Leaf, not have a Mustang, or Insight, heck I could just a bicycle for work and back! But I won't. We have a life here that we can have a lot of things, and a lot of excess. It's just how it is.

Oh, and for the record, I am not for electric cars. Hydrogen is really the key to a sustainable future of our current driving pattern, I just think electric benefits should be known, and assumptions/ignorances made clear.
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