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Old 12-24-2013, 12:12 AM   #1
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2015 Mustang Discussion Has Been Beaten Like a Red Headed Stepchild so...

Almost every thread or discussion regarding the 2015 has been discussed to some extreme or the other. All that's left is to wait for the car to come out and then get some sort of test with it done.

Until then, maybe we can discuss this interesting topic posed by motortrend - should ford come up with a baby mustang.

The mustang is ford's entry level AND its flagship sports car neglecting the Ford GT since its no longer in production. Fok the Fusion. It's not a sports car or even close. Might be considered a sport rally type car if it has AWD.

Could this model make it out by 2018? Would it be RWD or FWD or AWD? V6? I4? Or a baby V8 thus making it fords new pony car?
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The mustang is ford's entry level AND its flagship sports car neglecting the Ford GT since its no longer in production. Fok the Fusion. It's not a sports car or even close. Might be considered a sport rally type car if it has AWD.

Could this model make it out by 2018? Would it be RWD or FWD or AWD? V6? I4? Or a baby V8 thus making it fords new pony car?
Ford already has a cheaper FWD performance car (Focus ST and an even cheaper one - Fiesta ST) and supposedly they're bringing the Focus RS to the table in '15 so I don't think that a "baby" FWD mustang is gonna happen - they'd be competing against themselves.

An AWD performance car that didn't weigh as much as a house (I'm looking at you, SHO) would be nice though, but I doubt they'd be able to make it much cheaper than the base Mustang GT if it is a performance car AND AWD.
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Ford has done this in the past with the Probe. IMO this was a success. I would strongly consider buying one if they brought them back.

I'm seeing a small lightweight two door. The GT model could have the I4 Eco

I owned two probes and drive the hell out of them. The cars would not die.
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But when they had the Probe, they didn't have a 250hp Focus - all they had was the wheezy little Escort GT for a FWD performance car.

I had an 89 Probe GT and a 96 Probe GT and loved them both, but honestly, my Focus ST outperformed them and aside from the issues I had with it, really dug that car - too bad Ford couldn't fix it.

So something like the idea of BMWs 1 series, right? I'm just glad Ford has more performance choices these days. I went the Mazdaspeed route from 06 - 10 because all Ford had was the Mustang (and I wasn't horribly thrilled with my 02 Mustang (mostly headroom issues due to being tall).
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Something like the Mazda 6 in a two door...?
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But when they had the Probe, they didn't have a 250hp Focus - all they had was the wheezy little Escort GT for a FWD performance car.

I had an 89 Probe GT and a 96 Probe GT and loved them both, but honestly, my Focus ST outperformed them and aside from the issues I had with it, really dug that car - too bad Ford couldn't fix it.

So something like the idea of BMWs 1 series, right? I'm just glad Ford has more performance choices these days. I went the Mazdaspeed route from 06 - 10 because all Ford had was the Mustang (and I wasn't horribly thrilled with my 02 Mustang (mostly headroom issues due to being tall).
Definitely the spirit of this new idea is like the BMW 1 series. Smaller, lighter, less powerful, and cheaper. Probably should stay rwd.

But if they were to do a Ford 1series type then its gotta be a performer. The probe was not a true sporty type to me. It was cool looking when it came out but from what I remember the performance wasn't earth shattering or heart racing.

So I think even with the Eco boost four banger, with lighter weight, RWD, IRS, and work up a slew of base,GT, and performance SVT models Ford could have a winner here.

This new line up will bring a more complete global image as a forwardly modern brand and not a one trick pony with just one actual sports car...
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They should bring the Probe back. Back in the day that was a sharp car. Throw in the ecoboost 4. Let it compete with the FRS and BRZs of the world
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Almost every thread or discussion regarding the 2015 has been discussed to some extreme or the other. All that's left is to wait for the car to come out and then get some sort of test with it done.

Until then, maybe we can discuss this interesting topic posed by motortrend - should ford come up with a baby mustang.

The mustang is ford's entry level AND its flagship sports car neglecting the Ford GT since its no longer in production. Fok the Fusion. It's not a sports car or even close. Might be considered a sport rally type car if it has AWD.

Could this model make it out by 2018? Would it be RWD or FWD or AWD? V6? I4? Or a baby V8 thus making it fords new pony car?
No... IMO Ford should make a fusion coupe with an available 400hp V8 and take the Mustang in the direction to compete with the Vette. The new base vette IRS, 3300 pounds and 460hp... The new 15' can easily match that with IRS, 3400 pounds and push it to 500hp. And under cut the Vette buy $15K.
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No... IMO Ford should make a fusion coupe with an available 400hp V8 and take the Mustang in the direction to compete with the Vette. The new base vette IRS, 3300 pounds and 460hp... The new 15' can easily match that with IRS, 3400 pounds and push it to 500hp. And under cut the Vette buy $15K.

I'd rather see the Mustang continue to smoke Camaros and an occasional vette. Bring back the Ford GT to compete with the vette.
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I'd rather see the Mustang continue to smoke Camaros and an occasional vette. Bring back the Ford GT to compete with the vette.
And increase it's production numbers and lower it's price so the common person can afford one.
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No... IMO Ford should make a fusion coupe with an available 400hp V8 and take the Mustang in the direction to compete with the Vette. The new base vette IRS, 3300 pounds and 460hp... The new 15' can easily match that with IRS, 3400 pounds and push it to 500hp. And under cut the Vette buy $15K.
A fusion coupe. I take it that's ur way of saying the new ford mustang is a fusion? Cuz a fusion with 400hp and fwd won't be taking ford in any direction except torque steered left and right off the road.

If AWD then maybe but then that's gonna be pricier than they probably want the fusion to be as an "entry level" kid brother of the mustang.
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I'd rather see the Mustang continue to smoke Camaros and an occasional vette. Bring back the Ford GT to compete with the vette.
I think it would be funny to smoke a Camaro with a fusion.
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I think it would be funny to smoke a Camaro with a fusion.
An upgraded turbo can already smoke an SS Calamari. Those are pretty wickedly fast.
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Definitely the spirit of this new idea is like the BMW 1 series. Smaller, lighter, less powerful, and cheaper. Probably should stay rwd.

But if they were to do a Ford 1series type then its gotta be a performer.
Sure lets just bring back the Mustang II

Since BMW owns mini cooper. Ford can build a mini cobra.

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Sure lets just bring back the Mustang II

Since BMW owns mini cooper. Ford can build a mini cobra.

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Lol Doby u would fit in it aren't u like 6'7"?
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Lol Doby u would fit in it aren't u like 6'7"?
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And increase it's production numbers and lower it's price so the common person can afford one.

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I wouldn't mind seeing the return of the Ford Maverick...
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I wouldn't mind seeing the return of the Ford Maverick...
Then they need to build a Goose to go along side of it.
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Put the 5.0 in a Fiesta, sell it for $18,000 fully loaded---- bam! Im there!
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Put the 5.0 in a Fiesta, sell it for $18,000 fully loaded---- bam! Im there!
Lol yep with a weight bias of 70/30 it'll handle like a plower.
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Forgot to mention, rear engine 5.0! Lol
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Forgot to mention, rear engine 5.0! Lol
Lol then.. It'll handle like a horse drawn tractor?

This reminds me of that Miata with a transplanted V8 or V10. It'd be a monster no matter how it drove.

So who else would like to drive/own a Fiestang 5.0?
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Lol then.. It'll handle like a horse drawn tractor?

This reminds me of that Miata with a transplanted V8 or V10. It'd be a monster no matter how it drove.

So who else would like to drive/own a Fiestang 5.0?
Not me just drop an updated Ford V10 in the Stang with 650 N/A horse power!
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A good choice would be for a Lincoln sports car in a style similar to the Shelby Cobra Daytona or the GR-1 concept. With the Mustang chassis tweaked with a higher level suspension, and a Ecoboost 3.5L, it would be the ideal addition to the Lincoln line.
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I'd rather see the Mustang continue to smoke Camaros and an occasional vette. Bring back the Ford GT to compete with the vette.
This is something i'd like to see. All Ford has is the Mustang, and its a great car but you notice that every other car company has two like it, Chevy has the camaro and the Corvette, and Dodge has the Challanger and the Charger. I'd like to see the Dart returned to a muscle car, instead of a tuner or w/e, or the GT brought back or something of the sort.
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If Ford wanted to bring out another performance car, I think they need to bring back the GT!.. Otherwise they need to to just have Sport/Performance packages for the the line up they have now!.. The problem with having multiple performance cars from one brand is that they end up competing with each other!.. And when that happens the company looses money and ends up filling for Chapter 11 (2002 Camaro & Firebird)!.. Ford has kept it's line up fairly simple and that has worked great for them, and will continue to work great for them too!..
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Interesting point about the Probe. When it was designed, it was supposed to be the next-gen Mustang. However, cooler heads prevailed, an entirely new Mustang was designed, and the rejected Mustang was kept and rebadged as the Probe. The Probe was an accident. The Focus ST is the closest thing we need to a baby Stang.
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If Ford wanted to bring out another performance car, I think they need to bring back the GT!.. Otherwise they need to to just have Sport/Performance packages for the the line up they have now!.. The problem with having multiple performance cars from one brand is that they end up competing with each other!.. And when that happens the company looses money and ends up filling for Chapter 11 (2002 Camaro & Firebird)!.. Ford has kept it's line up fairly simple and that has worked great for them, and will continue to work great for them too!..
Having 2 performance brands is working out wonderfully for both Chevy and Dodge right now. The Camaro and Firebird were identical to eachother in every meaningful way for years. It had to end someday

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Interesting point about the Probe. When it was designed, it was supposed to be the next-gen Mustang. However, cooler heads prevailed, an entirely new Mustang was designed, and the rejected Mustang was kept and rebadged as the Probe. The Probe was an accident. The Focus ST is the closest thing we need to a baby Stang.
I unfortunately own a Focus as well, and while its nice enough, there is not a single thing about that car that is even remotely similar to the Mustang.
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Having 2 performance brands is working out wonderfully for both Chevy and Dodge right now. The Camaro and Firebird were identical to eachother in every meaningful way for years. It had to end someday

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I unfortunately own a Focus as well, and while its nice enough, there is not a single thing about that car that is even remotely similar to the Mustang.
Is it an ST? I've heard pretty good things about it. I've driven a couple "regular" Focuses and agree with you. They're woefully underpowered and, to me, a little frightening to drive at speed.
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Having 2 performance brands is working out wonderfully for both Chevy and Dodge right now. The Camaro and Firebird were identical to eachother in every meaningful way for years. It had to end someday

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I unfortunately own a Focus as well, and while its nice enough, there is not a single thing about that car that is even remotely similar to the Mustang.
It is but at the same time it's not!.. Camaro gets all the same engines, drivetrains and all, just detuned!.. Can't have anything match or come close to their Flagship!..
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If Ford wanted to bring out another performance car, I think they need to bring back the GT!.. Otherwise they need to to just have Sport/Performance packages for the the line up they have now!.. The problem with having multiple performance cars from one brand is that they end up competing with each other!.. And when that happens the company looses money and ends up filling for Chapter 11 (2002 Camaro & Firebird)!.. Ford has kept it's line up fairly simple and that has worked great for them, and will continue to work great for them too!..
Unfortunately the last GT was priced much much higher than 99.999% of the people int world can afford but as a result its one of very few cars that actually appreciated in value since its last production year - a very short run at that.

Ford needs a lower priced model. Something along the lines of a FRS. Lightweight and small. Put the ecoboost and it should easily do mid 4s 0-60 and high 12s quarter. It'd be like a baby muscle car...

Would it cannibalize Mustang sales? Sure but I think purists would never choose the Ford FRS over a V8. It would probably cannibalize the V6/Ecoboost Mustang sales but the image of a V8 pony car would remain intact.

And having a 305hp Ford FRS would also steal sales from Scion or Hyundai. So any cannibilizing would be offset by stealing customers that wouldn't be in the market for a Mustang anyhow.
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I would like to see Ford come out with a lower priced two seat sports car than the Corvette. It would not have to have all the high tech features and luxury of a Corvette. Just be a nice looking and fun to drive sports car. It would not have to compete against the Corvette. Ford could bring back the Thunderbird name for it.
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I would like to see Ford come out with a lower priced two seat sports car than the Corvette. It would not have to have all the high tech features and luxury of a Corvette. Just be a nice looking and fun to drive sports car. It would not have to compete against the Corvette. Ford could bring back the Thunderbird name for it.
Ford did that not long a ago!.. They didn't sell well!..
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Ford did that not long a ago!.. They didn't sell well!..

Yeah...it was a poor design and performed terribly, whodda thunk it that it didn't sell?
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