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Old 09-16-2014, 06:17 PM   #1
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Glad I got this generation v6

Go figure: 11-14 v6s hve close to or greater hp than any previous gt model... New 2015 models v6 produce less hp and less mpg than 2014 v6s. The real only difference is the mpg offered by turbo ecoboost.
Anyway, w that said, I think I got better end of the deal


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I think the 2014's definitely the better buy...It's been widely speculated that Ford's going to be phasing out the 3.7 for the 2.3 as at this point with where they're going with this it just makes sense to offer 2 and not 3 models. I would highly anticipate GM doing this as well with there's. The EcoBoost cars are going to be highly formidable with a few mods (cai, tune, down pipe, fmic) they're going to be making some good power!
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Man, that's the same thing people were saying the 2013's came out... how 2012 was the best year to get...

Watch next year "I should have got a 2015".
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I believe hes comparing the generations more so than the years.
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One big statement is that the 3.7 for 2015 will not be offered with any premium or performance packages. That right there says it all for me.

That and some of the videos you'll see of them introducing the car, someone will ask a question about the V6 model and the answer is very abrupt and then they Segway right back into the 4 banger.

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The V6 is for sure getting phased out and that's sad but the Ecoboost may wind up being the better bet in all aspects being turbocharged right from the factory. If the internals prove as durable as the 3.7L has, there will be no reason to buy a NA V6. My guess is it is totally phased out for whenever the next facelift is in 2017 or 2018.

I am very VERY interested to see what the aftermarket does with the 4 banger as it'll be the lightest of all the new Mustangs, it'll get all the updated S550 stuff and the IRS and errthang. It might very well be a terror around the road courses or just for everyday street driving.

With that said, a leftover 2014 V6 with your choice of upgrades (if still available) is a really good buy right now. It may be the best value out there currently for someone who wants a quick, economical DD that looks good and has enough creature comforts to make a longer commute enjoyable.
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The V6 is for sure getting phased out and that's sad but the Ecoboost may wind up being the better bet in all aspects being turbocharged right from the factory. If the internals prove as durable as the 3.7L has, there will be no reason to buy a NA V6. My guess is it is totally phased out for whenever the next facelift is in 2017 or 2018.

I am very VERY interested to see what the aftermarket does with the 4 banger as it'll be the lightest of all the new Mustangs, it'll get all the updated S550 stuff and the IRS and errthang. It might very well be a terror around the road courses or just for everyday street driving.

With that said, a leftover 2014 V6 with your choice of upgrades (if still available) is a really good buy right now. It may be the best value out there currently for someone who wants a quick, economical DD that looks good and has enough creature comforts to make a longer commute enjoyable.
On the inverse of that, I'd be very interested to see an ecoboost V6 option, similar to the SHO. I doubt this will happen, but it would be a very fun car.

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I for one am VERY excited about the new EB4. I have a strong turbo 4 back ground and am honestly contemplating trading my 5.0 in on one for road course driving ... almost lol. I love me some v8, but theres just something cool about a turbo 4 tearing **** up.

The internals should handle about 500 whp stock i'd guess, judging how other 4 cylinders in the market are built and have held up. The platforms biggest limitations will be: Fuel, and how well the integrated exhaust manifold flows...
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On the inverse of that, I'd be very interested to see an ecoboost V6 option, similar to the SHO. I doubt this will happen, but it would be a very fun car.

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Read up on motor trends 2015 turbo reviews sounds too pricey... And they were not impressed w handling. Good on low rpm power but after 5700 rpm it feels "soft" according to them. 0-60 = 5.6 w 3.55 gears


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All of that can be addressed as far as power. The handling thing worries me but Ford keeps saying the 2015 handles better than the Boss so we will have to see.

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They got a premium auto and expected it to drive well? A dedicated manual with the track pack would be loads better than that thing. Also, it feeling "soft" up top is just the nature with stock, turbo cars. Auto companies ALWAYS turn the power down at the top end to keep heat down, its one of the reasons a tune alone will make a turbo car so much faster, its because there's literally a free 30-40 whp on the top end (not peak gains) just waiting to be had.

That torque curve though is simply undeniable in stock form. 14.1 and 280 whp from a premium (heavy) automatic (slower) is not bad at all... a track pack standard will easily be mid to high 13s stock and probably dyno closer to 290 whp ... solid.
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They got a premium auto and expected it to drive well? A dedicated manual with the track pack would be loads better than that thing. Also, it feeling "soft" up top is just the nature with stock, turbo cars. Auto companies ALWAYS turn the power down at the top end to keep heat down, its one of the reasons a tune alone will make a turbo car so much faster, its because there's literally a free 30-40 whp on the top end (not peak gains) just waiting to be had.

That torque curve though is simply undeniable in stock form. 14.1 and 280 whp from a premium (heavy) automatic (slower) is not bad at all... a track pack standard will easily be mid to high 13s stock and probably dyno closer to 290 whp ... solid.
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After Reading all your comments I was wondering what was the difference with the v6 2012 and the v6 2014 ? I thought they were the same ?


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After Reading all your comments I was wondering what was the difference with the v6 2012 and the v6 2014 ? I thought they were the same ?


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Were talking about 2014 v6 vs 2010 gt or older and 2015 turbo/v6 mustang. 2011-2014 v6 are the same


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On the inverse of that, I'd be very interested to see an ecoboost V6 option, similar to the SHO. I doubt this will happen, but it would be a very fun car.

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Funny that you should mention that, they have been testing an ecoboost badges 3.7 that may be hitting production by 2017-18, and also a destroked version of the current motor. The really interesting one was the 3.7 with the crank out of a 2.7L ecoboost F150. With just that crank, this motor was able to turn 12000 rpm, but the crank itself did not make more than a few minutes at that speed(does open some interesting options though, as contact with valves was not a cause of failure)...
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Were talking about 2014 v6 vs 2010 gt or older and 2015 turbo/v6 mustang. 2011-2014 v6 are the same


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*clears throat* the 2015 v6 is the same as the 11+, also...Ford just wants to make their average (vs the v6) engine seem better.




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Funny that you should mention that, they have been testing an ecoboost badges 3.7 that may be hitting production by 2017-18, and also a destroked version of the current motor. The really interesting one was the 3.7 with the crank out of a 2.7L ecoboost F150. With just that crank, this motor was able to turn 12000 rpm, but the crank itself did not make more than a few minutes at that speed(does open some interesting options though, as contact with valves was not a cause of failure)...
It won't happen. Ford is already planning to drop the v6 to keep options reasonable- no need for four models (don't forget a performance model coming shortly).

Ford won't do a T4, T6, and 8, and then a performance model. There is no way in hell they will drop the 8 (I don't care about the 8, but enough people do!), they won't drop this T4 for the T6 (especially since it will be in par/better than the NA8), and even though a TT6 would make a wicked performance model (clamph has shown the viability) but how popular would it really be? Some people think the MKM will be slated for these other EB engines, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to make all these engines for essentially the same vehicle.

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When I bought my '14, I thought I'd either get a V6 premium or a GT base and ended up with the GT base. I think it is sad they won't offer the V6 premium for 2015. Maybe they will get enough customer feedback and bring it back in a year or two.
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Is there any differences in the 3.7 mustang engine and 3.7 f150 engine?
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Is there any differences in the 3.7 mustang engine and 3.7 f150 engine?

I dunno but my cousin just got a 13 f150 v6 w 302 hp


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Just curious if I ever buy another engine off ebay with low miles to swap when mines about to bite the dust
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shoulda bought a v8 lol
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2014 DIB 3.7 w/ sport shift "Blue Cyclone"

My new 2014 DIB was the best choice for me, I'm happy, next time I'll get a V8.
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I'll be surprised if the V6 makes it more than the first year. I don't care how much horsepower it makes, people always ask if it's a V6 or V8, and when you tell them, they say "oh, that's cool". It will always have the stigma and with these cars, image is everything. "Turbo 4" has better sex appeal to uninformed people that don't know what a good motor these 3.7's are.


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I predict the V6 will be the volume seller due to it's lower MSRP. Same as it's always been. I also think the average joe is going to count cylinders and think the V6 is better than the 4 just like many people think the V8 is the end-all-say-all.
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I predict the V6 will be the volume seller due to it's lower MSRP. Same as it's always been. I also think the average joe is going to count cylinders and think the V6 is better than the 4 just like many people think the V8 is the end-all-say-all.
Well the Coyote IS the end all say all, I don't care how fast the CFM/LPF V6s are going, they are still high 10s which Coyotes can do all motor. Regardless of all that, the Coyote is far more $$$ initially and not everyone gives a **** about 1/4 times. The V6 is a great performer and lower MSRP makes them a steal, even at $24k for a loaded one.
But I agree, most ppl will have this mindset:

"Well, the turbo 4 is nice but it has to have a turbo to make 300hp, the V6 makes that without the turbo and is cheaper so....".

Sad that the V6 isn't available with all the upgrades anymore, will still be a hell of a driver with the IRS, 2015 changes and the same engine but I still fail to see the appeal of the 2015 unless you are looking to be a dedicated road racer... and even then, its not like the S197 needs very much to go around the corners like a bat out of hell and there is a relatively cheap Watt's link out right now from Whiteline with BMR releasing their own in November.
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The upcoming V6 will be available in base trim only. No premium package or other goodies.

Here's what I predict (aside from rental companies buying them in droves, creating a huge stigma similar to the Crown Vic):

- Buyer goes in looking at the V6 (hey, it's still economy car priced after incentives and 300hp is still a lot for $20K)
- Base model, no options. "Well, we do have this one here with those features - it even has more power..."
- It has a 4 cylinder engine (turbo) and costs 4-5K more.

- The buyer pauses and thinks hard. V8 (suddenly 7-8K more than they were originally thinking of spending) or...
"Let me think about it"

This is why GM is going to crush Ford in sales once the fanboy hype dies down. The Camaro keeps to the formula of big engine, basic car, low price. The Turbo 4 is going to be a hard sell in the U.S. It'll do excellent in Europe and the rest of the world. But it'll be a flop here.

Of course, it's clear that Ford as a "global company" is once again showing that it doesn't REALLY care about the U.S. market any more. It'll sell more Mustangs to the rest of the world in a month than it probably will in a year in the U.S.
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How can Ford not care about North America anymore when it is it's Ford's most lucrative market? From what I understand, Ford barely turns a profit in Europe if any at all.
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I disagree 100% when comparing the ecoboost to a v6, and heres why.

Ford detuned the horsepower and MPG on the v6 on purpose to make the EB4 seem more lucrative. Despite the fact its a better engine (sorry guys, 3.7 is solid, but you cant deny turbo power), all Joe Blow will see is better mpg and more horsepower. Not to mention the gobs more torque and 3.31 gear vs 2.73 from the factory, the EB4 will feel like a freight train compared to the v6... it wont be a very hard upsell in most cases i feel.
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Ford didn't de-tune anything except on paper. Its just rated at 300 so the 305 of the 4 banger looks better in comparison. Joe Idiot will be like "zomg 5 moar hoarspowerz from teh 4!" and not even consider the V6 because it is base model only. Not to mention that the I4 makes more sense anyway than the V6. The same power, better mpg and I think that even from an aftermarket standpoint it is a much better option already being turbocharged.

Pretty obvious the Cyclone is being phased out, there really is no reason to have it in the lineup, I mean someone tell me 1 good reason except for price. And I can't imagine a base model I4 being too pricey once the hype dies down.
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A tiny tidbit people are overlooking. The V6 isn't even going to be offered in some European markets like the UK. Only the 4 banger and V8.

Source: http://www.torquenews.com/106/look-w...oboost-matters

The 4 banger will reign supreme as far as sales. No if ands or buts about it. Ford is making calculated moves to phase out the 3.7L because it doesn't fit in the international marketplace.

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EPA numbers are made my the manufacturer, not the EPA. They can write whatever they want. There is no penalty for under rating it. They could say 10 mpg for it, and be fine.

And same with HP. The Ford GT was rated at 550 crank but all the dyno runs showed +600 (I know, dynos are subjective). Even if the v6 matches it, they are just sandbagging to make the 4 look better.

Goodbye, dear v6.

(6 sales will plummet just because there are no options available. A LOT of people want premium features and packages. If the 4 offers it, but 6 doesn't, the choice is made.)

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Read up on motor trends 2015 turbo reviews sounds too pricey... And they were not impressed w handling. Good on low rpm power but after 5700 rpm it feels "soft" according to them. 0-60 = 5.6 w 3.55 gears


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0-60 5.6 seconds with 3.55 gears the 4 banger turbo. Heck ,my 3.7 ran that fast when I had 2.73 gears. Ha ha ha. That turbo is gonna be a huge bust here in the U.S.

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