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Old 11-23-2014, 01:54 PM   #36
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If I were to ever buy a 4 banger I would not mess with the exhaust. I heard that 4 banger with an off road x pipe and it was pathetic and embarrassing. Sounded like my leaf blower. Better to just leave it quiet. Just like a Porsche's exhaust tone, quiet. Fast but quiet!

I would buy the 4 banger but leave that ***** quiet.

Why buy an aftermarket exhaust when you can just turn up your speakers for sound. (x


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Why did the 3.7 intake need to be changed to clear the hood but a 5.0 fits under the hood without a problem?


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Why did the 3.7 intake need to be changed to clear the hood but a 5.0 fits under the hood without a problem?


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The 5.0 engine is lower in the first place, compared to the 3.7, even in the 2011-14. That's why some of the strut tower braces that fit on the 5.0 don't fit on the 3.7.

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Is anyone a little disappointed that they cut back 5hp on the v6 even though it isn't much and most likely did nothing because it was just 5hp from the crank


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The car is heavier, might be why.


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Ecoboost because for daily driving I spend 99% of my time in the low rpm range, which is where the V6 is lacking.

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Ecoboost because for daily driving I spend 99% of my time in the low rpm range, which is where the V6 is lacking.

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Personally I'm starting to like the look of the 15'. At the five year facelift mark (2020) I'll probably pick up an ECO.

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Just a fun and friendly topic! Which one would you choose to purchase if you had to pick one of the listed models and why? Also, buying a 5.0 is not an option for this little topic. 😎

My vote would be the 2.3 echoboost for my purchase because a tune alone nets huge power gains. Gains that not all the bolt on mods to my 3.7 would net me power such as the echoboost does.
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I'd go back and travel back in time one year and re purchase my 14 v6 mustang lol.
I always resist responding your daily trolling posts, but this one is so ridiculous I just can't resist feeding the troll. Kona asks this interesting question which is multiple choice A and B, and asks for reasons for your choice. The question gives a twist to a topic that has been beaten to death since February, and it leads to an interesting discussion that gives us an idea of how the EB might fare against the V6 amongst Mustang enthusiasts. And you pick choice C and give no reasons. Which is even more useless of a response since they have the same engine. Now before you say "it's an open forum I can say whatever I want" I'll just say, sure you can say whatever you want. But I can still call you out on adding zero value to this conversation.

Sorry to everybody else if this creates some pointless debate on an otherwise great thread. I just had to get this one off my chest because it was annoying me a lot. I'm off to work and not even going to respond to whatever he or anyone says as a comeback because I don't want to spend my day arguing with stubborn strangers on the internet over stupid things.
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I always resist responding your daily trolling posts, but this one is so ridiculous I just can't resist feeding the troll. Kona asks this interesting question which is multiple choice A and B, and asks for reasons for your choice. The question gives a twist to a topic that has been beaten to death since February, and it leads to an interesting discussion that gives us an idea of how the EB might fare against the V6 amongst Mustang enthusiasts. And you pick choice C and give no reasons. Which is even more useless of a response since they have the same engine. Now before you say "it's an open forum I can say whatever I want" I'll just say, sure you can say whatever you want. But I can still call you out on adding zero value to this conversation.

Sorry to everybody else if this creates some pointless debate on an otherwise great thread. I just had to get this one off my chest because it was annoying me a lot. I'm off to work and not even going to respond to whatever he or anyone says as a comeback because I don't want to spend my day arguing with stubborn strangers on the internet over stupid things.
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I would take the v6. Taking the options out of the equation the v6 can make more power on Stock internals. It's also in the same neighborhood for mpg. After seeing g cat the EB may be limited to 400 hp on stock ints having the turbo would be no more a benefit to me than being able to push another 100 hp to the wheels.

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I would take the v6. Taking the options out of the equation the v6 can make more power on Stock internals. It's also in the same neighborhood for mpg. After seeing g cat the EB may be limited to 400 hp on stock ints having the turbo would be no more a benefit to me than being able to push another 100 hp to the wheels.

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This max crank HP on the 4 banger is very interesting and change my thought process. I was really surprised too hear these recommended max crank power numbers. The 3.7 engine block can handle far more power.
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I would not be surprised at all to see 500+ whp on the stock EB internal limits. That motor will take WELL above 400 whp if tuned properly.
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I would not be surprised at all to see 500+ whp on the stock EB internal limits. That motor will take WELL above 400 whp if tuned properly.
I wonder why Livernois is giving this warning. Aren't they a highly reputable turbo tuning company that are very familiar with the ecoboost engine?
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There are several different factors that go into a turbo car's powerband. Every single V6 on this board, regardless of what WHP they're actually making, makes the peak power at about the same rpm.

The same could be said about a turbo car that is tuned "reasonably," but in the end, you can vary peak torque and peak rpm tremendously based on what kind of powerband you want. With the kind of low end torque Livernois is making, i would not be surprised if their motor doesnt last forever, but they're only making mid to low 300's for whp ... think about that as well.

With a reasonable torque peak for 380-400, at a reasonable rpm of 3800-4200, i could see this motor surviving 450-500 whp almost indefinetly based on its architecture. Its moreso the torque that breaks things than HP in a turbos case. Hell, we've seen plenty of turbo 4's with inferior architechture to the EB4 making ~500 whp. The tradeoff here however is they're normally with very large turbos and making only ~350 wtq give or take to keep the motor alive.

There is always a trade off, as sometimes the lower whp but higher wtq car is the faster one, but really it just depends. Based on my experience with the ancient mazdaspeed3 though and the amount of 400 whp stock block motors i (and many others) have tuned, the EB threshold will (or at least should ...) be well above 400 whp.
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I wonder what the exhaust sound is going to be like once the Borla/Magnaflow/Flowmaster ect. get a hold of this.

Maybe WRXish?
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It will not sound like a WRX at all. Subaru's only sound that way due to their 'unique' exhaust manifold design. The ecoboost should sound pretty much like any other turbo inline 4 with a similarly designed exhaust system.
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Of a choice between the Ecoboost and the V6 2015 Mustang, I would go with the EB. Having test driven one, it is a very well balanced setup and would be great on a road course. The lack of options kills the V6 model for me. However, in 2-3 years, I will probably go with the 5.0 before the feds kill it.
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While I do see a LOT of potential with the EBs, if I were to buy a turbo 4 car, it wouldn't be a Mustang. It would be an Evo (RIP) or an STI. My reasoning is that they've been around forever and the aftermarket support and tuning knowledge is out of this world.

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I wonder what the exhaust sound is going to be like once the Borla/Magnaflow/Flowmaster ect. get a hold of this.

Maybe WRXish?

Go to youtube a search mustang 2015 ecoboost exhaust and you will see a tons of videos with ford racing exhaust made by borla. The car just sounds so so terrible that is better to not even change the stock exhaust.

My old Veloster Turbo sounded 100x better with just a magnaflow muffler and that car had a 1.8L engine lol.




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2015 3.7 Vs 2015 2.3 ecoboost

Good grief my old PT Cruiser with Magnaflows sounded better than that. Absolutely terrible.



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Lol I searched for giggles. Wow. My leaf blower in the garage sounds better. Even the 5.0, (the ones I heard out for the 15 so far) sounds neutered.

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Go to youtube a search mustang 2015 ecoboost exhaust and you will see a tons of videos with ford racing exhaust made by borla. The car just sounds so so terrible that is better to not even change the stock exhaust.

My old Veloster Turbo sounded 100x better with just a magnaflow muffler and that car had a 1.8L engine lol.




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Well that's disappointing.

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Yeah the ecoboost with any sort of exhaust upgrade sounds like a can rattling. Ford needs to make it sound like the subies if they want real mustang enthusiasts to want the car.
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Yeah the ecoboost with any sort of exhaust upgrade sounds like a can rattling. Ford needs to make it sound like the subies if they want real mustang enthusiasts to want the car.
Doubt they will make a boxer (horizontally opposed) engine to appease Mustang owners. It's an inline 4, it will sound like nearly every other inline 4.

Hell, if they could make it sound like the Dodge SRT-4's that would be nice as it's one of the best sounding inline 4's ever. Instead the EB sounds like a vacuum cleaner that's three rooms away. Unless of course, you are inside the car, then it makes the 5.0 sound weak.
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Doubt they will make a boxer (horizontally opposed) engine to appease Mustang owners. It's an inline 4, it will sound like nearly every other inline 4.



Hell, if they could make it sound like the Dodge SRT-4's that would be nice as it's one of the best sounding inline 4's ever. Instead the EB sounds like a vacuum cleaner that's three rooms away. Unless of course, you are inside the car, then it makes the 5.0 sound weak.

I don't know a lot about the SRT-4 but why does it sound different than other I4s? They do sound pretty good.


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I don't know a lot about the SRT-4 but why does it sound different than other I4s? They do sound pretty good.
The factory exhaust doesn't have any mufflers and was tuned to produce noises similar to a V8. That is why they sort of sound like boxer engines. Not to mention, it is a 2.4L inline 4, so it will produce more of a lower frequency sound than a smaller engine would.
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Yeah the ecoboost with any sort of exhaust upgrade sounds like a can rattling. Ford needs to make it sound like the subies if they want real mustang enthusiasts to want the car.
Honestly, that's the sound of inefficiency. It's a dramatically unequal length manifold. Make it equal length, and it sounds pretty much like a typical inline 4 and will gain power in the process. The same can actually work in reverse too. Make an exhaust manifold for any inline 4, with the right (wrong) set of unequal lengths, and it will sound pretty much like a tractor...er...Subaru. But if that's the sound "real Mustang enthusiasts" want, who am I to argue.

Looking at the the SRT-4 manifold, I would guess that its sound is at least partially (primarily?) the result of a similar phenomenon...Just to a lesser extent. That might help explain how they still maintain some of that sound characteristic even with aftermarket exhausts, and why aftermarket exhausts on other turbo 4's still don't sound like that.
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Why would you put the ecoboost and 3.7 nun the SAME grouping? The ecoboost is no where near the same, besides body, as the 3.7 and should have its own section in the forum. Way to be lazy...
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Why would you put the ecoboost and 3.7 nun the SAME grouping? The ecoboost is no where near the same, besides body, as the 3.7 and should have its own section in the forum. Way to be lazy...
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