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Old 06-07-2015, 04:46 AM   #36
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Further your recommendations I might go with the Circle D converter.
I have got some questions regarding this:

1. Which stall is the most recommended for my daily drive?
2. Do I need to anything else to that? Such a cooler?
3. As I mentioned I am already running a 93 Race Bama tune, after the converter installation, will I need to get a new tune?

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Are you planning on staying N/A? If so either a 3C or 4C but they're very similar. All you'll need is some transmission fluid and the converter. And of course a new tune.
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Yes I am staying N/a
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I'm going to sound like a broken record on this forum, but the Bama tune is not a "real" tune. Its a pre-written tune for a car with "similar" or even identical mods to yours since you only have a few things done. You will need an actual remote tune to get the most out of your car and especially with a converter. I forget who Grabber is using but there are multiple tuners who will write you a very good tune using datalogs that is custom and specific for your car.
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I'm going to sound like a broken record on this forum, but the Bama tune is not a "real" tune. Its a pre-written tune for a car with "similar" or even identical mods to yours since you only have a few things done. You will need an actual remote tune to get the most out of your car and especially with a converter. I forget who Grabber is using but there are multiple tuners who will write you a very good tune using datalogs that is custom and specific for your car.

Your'e saying i can get more power with a different tune then what Bama provided for me?
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Your'e saying i can get more power with a different tune then what Bama provided for me?
Yes, and safer.
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Your'e saying i can get more power with a different tune then what Bama provided for me?
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Who do you recommend instead?
I always thought Bama are one of the best. Actually I am very happy with my current tune but on the other hand, I don't know anything else
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I thought that the new bama tune was safer but it wasn't nearly as powerful as the others.
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What do you mean by "safer" and based on what do you guys say this?

I am asking seriously
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What do you mean by "safer" and based on what do you guys say this?

I am asking seriously
Bama has been known to turn off knock sensors. As well as other things I can't remember now. They are a canned tune, not custom.

Bama takes a tune for a car with the same or similar mods, and they will upload it to you, instead of a truly custom tune. Every car will react different, so this practice isn't safe. Most of the time it won't cause any problems, but it can. Either way, it's not entirely safe, and you aren't getting the full potential of the mods.
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Thoughts on vmp?
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Just asking ... But how do y'all know the tuning process within a company you don't work for? ... i dont want any mods thinking I'm tryna start a beef. But i do ask do have inside information on this claim ?

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Well look at the process for getting a tune for starters... Also it's common knowledge.

Then you have the ppl running tunes with no wideband...

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I never tried data logging before and just looking for more insight on the process and what to look for so i can put the numbers to the proof.

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Thoughts on vmp?
Pretty good choice.
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Just asking ... But how do y'all know the tuning process within a company you don't work for? ... i dont want any mods thinking I'm tryna start a beef. But i do ask do have inside information on this claim ?
I know because I tune my own car and have the ability to read data logs real closely. Which I've done for some local guys running Bama tunes.
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Well look at the process for getting a tune for starters... Also it's common knowledge.

Then you have the ppl running tunes with no wideband...

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So if i data log my ride and send Bama my specs, they are gonna simple plug and play the additions i added to my tune. They never custom tune at Bama?

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Nope, they may change a few parameters like pull some timing or add fuel or whatever but no they won't have an actual tuner looking at your logs and REALLY tuning your car.

I'd also be willing to bet that 90% of canned tunes both Bama/Steeda/etc... will be running rich. Wideband will tell you this right away but like I said, a LOT of ppl run canned tunes without widebands. That's like going into a bar trying to pick up someone without a wingman.
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So basically that puts MPT, VMP, all in the same boat until i physically pull into their shop and they tune onsight right?

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No, those guys actually do what is called a "remote tune".

Like what I am going to have done for example with Tuning by James.

He is going to send me a "canned" startup tune. What I will do is hook up and datalog the motor sitting in my driveway running it up and down through the RPM band and then send him the logs. Then he will send me a revised tune to get me on the street. I will get on the street and follow a specific set of instructions on the street while I'm logging and then send those logs to him. He will email me back a "close" tune that will be safe and driveable and everything and I could stop there if I wanted. What I can do to get it dialed in completely is book some time with him and drive the car to a local dyno. I'll tether my phone to my laptop and do a pull, send him the log, he'll send me a tune, repeat 2 or 3 times and done.

Or I can just use him to get the street tune and then have it dynoed locally which is starting to look like a better option.
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Like i said earlier im new to the data logging process. Thanks for the information

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don't do the boss intake manifold... go with the ford racing cobra jet intake manny!!!! you'll get way better numbers plus no loss in torque.
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don't do the boss intake manifold... go with the ford racing cobra jet intake manny!!!! you'll get way better numbers plus no loss in torque.
Yea no that's not a good idea.
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Guarantee he's never run either. Neither have I but I know better than to give advice about it lol.
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Yea no that's not a good idea.
so why would that be a bad idea? this guy zinc03svt on this thread http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/f358/t368594/#post2241918 seams to like it. its an option thats out there and one im planning to do on my car... havnt heard anything bad about it.
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Because you're adding an intake manifold that shines above 5000 rpm coupled with a stock converter that flashes to 1800-2000 rpm. Not a good recipe. Now factor in the cost of all the parts and you're close to $2000. Very poor choice.

As far as what zinc03svt has to say he has nothing of importance to say except it looks pretty under the hood.
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well i dont know shikaka about converters sooo. im running manual myself... all i know is that you get higher numbers and no tq loss with the cobra.
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well i dont know shikaka about converters sooo. im running manual myself... all i know is that you get higher numbers and no tq loss with the cobra.
Its not always about the numbers. I've seen cars making 100+whp less than the car in the other lane win convincingly. Setup is king, obviously you need power to go fast but plenty of dyno queens out there that go to the track and are very disappointed.
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all i know is that you get higher numbers and no tq loss with the cobra.
How do you know that? Do you have one?
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How do you know that? Do you have one?
its 2015... its called social networking
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its 2015... its called social networking
So you read it on the internet?
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He has an auto and they only come with 3.15's. Gears will not help it at all as has been proven many times.

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Why are you laughing? It's true for the 11+ cars. The stock auto gearing is great and you have no need to change it. It's the factory tune for the car that is restrictive.
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its 2015... its called social networking
That's called internet racing/info recycling.

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So you read it on the internet?
I called that like 4 or 5 posts up lol.

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Why lol? He is correct. Why in hell would you put anything steeper than a 3.15 or 3.31 in a car with a 4.17 1st gear ratio? That's like running a 4.86 rear gear in earlier autos. Have fun with that...



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so i guess everyone who has the cobra jet intake manifold along with ppl who sell it just lie about the gains. i guess ford racing lies about it too cuz they claim same thing im saying. guess everyones just full of **** liers and your the all knowing god. hmmm good to know.
We are not talking about the dyno gains being wrong... we are talking about the overall setup. Dyno numbers are a good tool but you can have a car making huge power on the dyno be a turd at the track. Witness every GT500 owner with a Whipple and stock suspension.
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