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Old 06-02-2015, 11:04 AM   #1
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Best way to gain more HP

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I have an 2014 GT and I am seeking to gain more HP.
Just to mention, i don't use track, just a daily driver.

My current mods are:

- Borla S-Type cat back
- BBK CAI
- Bama 93 Tune

I can't use any supercharger/turbokit because i am outside US and its really hard to import it.
Is it worth for me to get a BOSS 302 intake manifold?

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I would start by ditching the BBK crap and go back to the stock air box. You'll gain horsepower there. Then step up to a better tune. More power to be had there.

Auto or manual?
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ditto.

You already have the main, easy to do hp adders:

tune & exhaust

after that the $ per hp start going down.

Bang for buck

$400/25+ hp (tune) = $16/hp
$700/30hp (Boss intake) = $23/hp
$6000/160+ hp (base 575 hp kit) = $37.50 per hp
$450+/12hp (exhaust) = $37.5/hp
$300/5 hp ("CAI") = $60/hp

* disclaimer... complete ballparked # for all kinds of various brands, prices, etc
I tried to isolate the individual part's real world increase. As you may see CAI + tune = 30 hp, or Boss + tune = 55hp, etc.
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I have Auto.
So bottom line my only option is the Boss intake.
But does it worth it in my case?
especially if i don't do tracks

thanks

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I have Auto.
So bottom line my only option is the Boss intake.
But does it worth it in my case?
especially if i don't do tracks

thanks
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well, we cant tell you what "worth it" to you means. Buy it, install it, then love it and keep it or hate it and sell it. /thread.
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Hp is pretty much worthless if you can't get it to the ground. Have you thought about any suspension mods?
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You don't need suspension mods for a stock dd 5.0. But if you're considering some decent hp upgrades you may want to think about it.
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Stock converter + Boss Intake = a bad combo.

Put a converter in your car, it will feel like you added 50 horsepower.
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I have Auto.
So bottom line my only option is the Boss intake.
But does it worth it in my case?
especially if i don't do tracks

thanks
I think you should first ask yourself why you want "to gain more HP"?
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Stock converter + Boss Intake = a bad combo.

Put a converter in your car, it will feel like you added 50 horsepower.

What Do u mean by converter? Can u please give me an example part for this?

BTW, I Already have Eibach Pro kit
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if this forum is not meant to be one of my tools to learn the what it is?
Thanks for the advice guys. you helped me a lot.
I doubt your BBK intake is hurting you, but it probably does not do much to add hp either. It will make the engine sound a little better which is a plus for most people. Really in your position, I would look into a better tune than "Bama", look at someone who really knows how to wake up the tuning in the tranny, makes these cars much more fun to drive, look at AED or Lund. Possibly invest in sticky rear tires like a drag radial. Mostly just enjoy the car. As other have said the Boss Intake is a huge mistake on this car.
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I doubt your BBK intake is hurting you, but it probably does not do much to add hp either. It will make the engine sound a little better which is a plus for most people. Really in your position, I would look into a better tune than "Bama", look at someone who really knows how to wake up the tuning in the tranny, makes these cars much more fun to drive, look at AED or Lund. Possibly invest in sticky rear tires like a drag radial. Mostly just enjoy the car. As other have said the Boss Intake is a huge mistake on this car.

I wouldn't say the boss intake is a huge mistake. It just isn't either used properly, or used to its full design by most that have it.


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I'm outside the US, too but, I felt that I could nickel and dime myself with incremental improvements from small stuff or, I could go one shot and buy a blower. So, I did that. I have already coordinated the suspension a bit better with stiffer bushings in the panhard and sway bar and lower and upper control arms. Thus the car is prepared to receive the power I'm about to throw at it.
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I'm outside the US, too but, I felt that I could nickel and dime myself with incremental improvements from small stuff or, I could go one shot and buy a blower. So, I did that. I have already coordinated the suspension a bit better with stiffer bushings in the panhard and sway bar and lower and upper control arms. Thus the car is prepared to receive the power I'm about to throw at it.

This is why I did my suspension first before I buy my blower here in a bit.


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Did you think about the best way to put the current power to the ground. Good suspension mods and 3:73 gears will help your launch and acceleration big time. Power is not everything in a daily driven street car.


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ditto.



You already have the main, easy to do hp adders:



tune & exhaust



after that the $ per hp start going down.



Bang for buck



$400/25+ hp (tune) = $16/hp

$700/30hp (Boss intake) = $23/hp

$6000/160+ hp (base 575 hp kit) = $37.50 per hp

$450+/12hp (exhaust) = $37.5/hp

$300/5 hp ("CAI") = $60/hp



* disclaimer... complete ballparked # for all kinds of various brands, prices, etc

I tried to isolate the individual part's real world increase. As you may see CAI + tune = 30 hp, or Boss + tune = 55hp, etc.

Don't forget about nitrous.

100 shot is about $8 per HP
125 shot is about $6.50 per HP

Only down, fall you have to pay to refill the bottle. So after filling bottles your $ per HP continues to rise. But for the initial purchase. Nitrous is the best bang for the buck.


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3:73 gears will help your launch and acceleration big time.
No it won't at all.
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No it won't at all.
Depends on what the original gear setup was. If your Mustang came with a "highway mileage" set of gears, a 3:73 would be seen and felt as a much better improvement.
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Depends on what the original gear setup was. If your Mustang came with a "highway mileage" set of gears, a 3:73 would be seen and felt as a much better improvement.
He has an auto and they only come with 3.15's. Gears will not help it at all as has been proven many times.
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I have Auto.
So bottom line my only option is the Boss intake.
But does it worth it in my case?
especially if i don't do tracks

thanks

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I have Auto.
So bottom line my only option is the Boss intake.
But does it worth it in my case?
especially if i don't do tracks

thanks
The Boss 302 intake was designed for upper RPM performance; as the Boss 302 was built to produce power in the upper RPM range (race track vehicle).

So unless you plan to run your Mustang at it's upper RPM range frequently, the Boss 302 intake would not be a mod for normal street applications.

As offered in other posts here, a tune is your best investment for street applications/performance. You can get a tuner with canned tunes, or you can purchase custom tunes. A custom tune can be created based on your driving requirements or your current or future mods.
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No it won't at all.

On one of AM's project GT (Project blackout I think?) cars, you did see they shaved off almost 2 tenths of a second from their 1/4 time by adding 4.10s coupled with minor suspension changes right?

Also, on their 2011 V6 project car, they did almost the same thing except with 3.73s and shaved off .2-.3 off their 1/4 time. It may not do alot, but it is definitely a mod at least worth looking at if OP is wanting to do as much as they can.
 
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What Do u mean by converter? Can u please give me an example part for this?

BTW, I Already have Eibach Pro kit
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I believe the suggested converter was a "High stall converter".
Here is some suggested reading to familiarize yourself with it.
What does a high stall converter do?
What's the deal with high stall torque converters?
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Also, I did not see a mention of how or what type of budget you might be playing with for mods. So it is hard to suggest things. If you are a high roller and just want to get everything or if you are balling on a budget and want to get stuff at cheap prices and do it yourself.
 
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On one of AM's project GT (Project blackout I think?) cars, you did see they shaved off almost 2 tenths of a second from their 1/4 time by adding 4.10s coupled with minor suspension changes right?
That was five years ago before any REAL testing was done and used to promote a package to sell parts that really didn't work. The testing was done on a closed well prepped track with muliple runs only showing the one where they picked up a couple of tenths.

I've gone nearly a full second faster with 3.15's in worst D/A.
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Thanks a lot guys!
My most difficult thing with mods is that I need to import everything and pay a lot for the shipping, taxes and customs, so I am kinda limited regarding the budget.
In addition, I prefer some mods which are easy to install by my own without any professional tools or a lift.
I will check everything u suggested
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Grabber blue is right. I bought the BBK cause it didn't need a tune.
I went to the strip last week with a set of drag radials installed and my best time was 12.9 . It was 82 deg and humid. I put the bbk cai on before going.
With out it my best time was 12.9 with street tires, no Ford pro cal, drag radials or lower control arms.
Even as it cooled down to 75 deg ET's didn't change. The BBK, and most aftermarket CAI end up taking air from the engine compartment, which can be hotter than the outside air. I promptly put the Factory back on as it is designed to take outside air, which was probably 20 - 30 degree cooler.
BTW, one of my co workers talked me into the CAI, I trusted him because he was a calibrator for Volvo Mack, that is the guy who tweaks your ECM to improve driveability, and had more dyno testing experience than me.
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Hey Grabber, when I was a teenager one of my buddies put 4:88's in his 69 340 dart. One his older brother's friends made us howl, His line, GEARS, they eat your motor!.
Thought you'd get a kick out of that.
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I threw 4.10's in my Mustang II that had no overdrive. Big mistake. Same thing with these cars. Gears are a big mistake.
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Should I even mention E85 conversion?

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Can you get E85 outside of the U.S.? I mean like realistically.
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Basically you can import almost anything. The question is - does it worth the price?
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4.10s in the new autos are only ever done because of ppl reading recycled internet posts or bad tech articles on websites that are trying to sell you something. IIRC 3.31s are optimal for a 1/4 mile car but the 3.15s are really good too and you can turn a real nice highway RPM with the .65 6th and 3.15s out back with 27" (or 28") tall tires.

4.10s in autos are for the 2010-down, not 2011 up.
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What about in a manual? What's the best gear for a manual? I have the factory 3:73s and they seem too steep for my 2014 5.0 manual.
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Lots of big power Coyotes run 4.10s. Suspension work and better tires are your friend.
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